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AJ777 Since you claimed it was your opinion that torturing children was immoral, why do you think this?
If you don;t wish to be called dishonest then don't lie and make false claims. Like atheism being a religion. Or claiming you the bible is amoral guide when it justifies all manner of barbarity and sadistic cruelty, or claiming you have objective morality when you can't even tell us why it is wrong to torture a baby?
I do. I have never believed in ANY religion. As me dad put it, "My mind and brain work just like a computer. If it ain't logical or rational, it does not compute." Needless to say, there is no religion which is logical and/or rational. If there were, I would have found one in the 30+ years I spent traveling all over this planet researching into many, many many religions.
NOT ONE RELIGION EVER COMPUTED!
Religion does not rely on facts, truth, logic, rationality. Religion requires lies and make-believe, and the mental rape, emotional molestation, and psychological terrorism of eternal damnation and torment. Otherwise, religion does not work.
Why does religion REQUIRE the mental rape, emotional molestation, and psychological terrorism of eternal damnation and torment? I have already covered why religion requires this in a previous post. I want to hear your answer. That is if you are man enough to give an answer.
Science simply presents the facts without any regard for what anyone may believe. You read the facts and come to your own conclusion.
rmfr
"Can one accept that Christopher Columbus jizzed gold because there was a book that said so?"
LOL
I didn't know Christopher Columbus Jizzed gold. Is that why there was gold in the new world? And if he Jizzed gold, why did he chop the hands off of all those Indians?
For hand jobs, easy.
I am an Indian, so trust me I got the inside track on this.
@Cognostic: I didn't know Christopher Columbus Jizzed gold.
Among the many terrible things that Columbus did to the Native Americans, he probably gave them carnal flu. Syphilis surged in Europe shortly after Columbus' return from the New World, and it was long believed that the disease originated in the Americas. Now it looks like it was the other way round. Skeletons in a monastery graveyard dating from a century before Columbus in Hull, England show classic signs of syphilis. That means that the disease was endemic in Europe long before the discovery of the New World. It also proves that monks got up to monkey business and friars did a lot of frigging.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/health/1350154/Pox-ridden-monks-disprov...
AJ777
You claimed it was immoral to torture children, why do you think this?
How in the world can it be immoral to torture children when that is about all the god of the bible does. Even killing his own child. WTF?
You're correct but slightly jumping the gun. Firstly let's see if AJ777 has the integrity to admit he's made to contradictory claims. So far he has not, and is pointedly refusing to give the reason he thinks torturing children is immoral.
I suspect her either run away or is trying to find an apologist who has an argument that cover his blushes. What I am dubious of is that he will ever give a candid reason for his opinion, as this, as you rightly point out, runs slap bang from the opposite directiin into his claim the God of the bible is perfectly moral, and the bible is true and moral guide. Since it specifically depicts said deity torturing and murdering babies and children.
Sheldon, what specific verse or book in the Christian Bible are you referring to?
@ AJ777
I'll give you my list. God's Nastiest Turd. Are you man enough to read all of them? This is only about the what? fifth time I have listed them...
rmfr
Tell us why you think it is immortal to torture children, and I'll help educate you on your ignorance of your own bible.
STILL WAITING" (You know... We should all just keep repeating our questions until this dweeb answers them. Stop letting him move on by avoiding responses and trying to turn the tables with his own questions) ANSWER THE QUESTION! YOU MADE THE ASSERTION NOW DEFEND IT.,
The set of atheist beliefs.
1. Atheists do not believe in god or gods.
2. ?
3. ?
4. ?
Care to enlighten us? Atheism is generally a reaction to Theist claims that god's exist.. Nothing more. What are these claims you assert atheists are making? There is no atheist world view. At\heists are liberals and conservatives. Atheists are secularists, Buddhists, New Ageists, Spiritualists and more... Where is this belief system you speak of?
Well Euthyphro may again talk from the grave, I'm guessing...and then the inevitable false dilemma based on the nature of god...and then contradiction by gods acts...then more circular BS put down by more buybull contradiction...blah blah blah. I'm going to go BBQ a baby with some sweet baby ray's hickory sauce...anybody want some?
@doG Re: "I'm going to go BBQ a baby with some sweet baby ray's hickory sauce...anybody want some?"
I prefer the legs, if you don't mind sparing one.
Give me brains. Brainz!
rmfr
@ AJ777
Are you willing to answer one question? If so, then read that question below.
How do you come to the conclusion that your Christian beliefs are the one and only true truth when there are so many other sects and other religions claiming the same?
rmfr
Christianity best answers the questions of life’s origin, meaning, morality, and destiny. It is supported by logic, history, and direct evidence. The reason you and so many others find it so offensive is because it is true. You and I are bad people in need of a savior. Unless I’m willing to humble myself I will continue to act as if I am my own god.
@AJ777: The reason you and so many others find it so offensive is because it is true.
Not really. I'm offended by the presumption of absolute rightness without any evidence other than blind faith, and by the arrogant expectation of privilege based on that presumption. It's never been enough for Jews, Christians, Muslims, or Hindus to enjoy their fantasies in private. These cults inevitably resort to violence to impose their beliefs on others, often through warfare.
And the cherry on the cake is the claim of objective morality.
Christianity offers no evidenced answers to life's origins, just a puerile creation myth about ludicrous talking snakes and magic apples, and men being created in an instant using unexplained magic and clay. It is so removed from the reality of how the universe and this solar system formed you'd have to be delusional to call it evidence, or history, let alone rational.
" It is supported by logic, history, and direct evidence."
No it isn't, and you've got some nerve making up such a ludicrous lie after you failed to produce anything but the risible Kalam cosmological argument.
"The reason you and so many others find it so offensive is because it is true."
Of all the stupid things you've asserted that is the dumbest, no mean achievement either.
"You and I are bad people in need of a savior."
Go find a pulpit pal, I don't care to be preached at. Also Hitchens's razor applies.
"Unless I’m willing to humble myself I will continue to act as if I am my own god."
Nothing you have posted indicates a shred of humility on your part, and I find this typical of theists who come here to arrogantly preach at atheists, but like to make faux show of humility in the same posts they insist the universe and everything in it was created with them in mind.
You claimed it was your opinion that torturing children is immoral, why won't you tell us why you think this? What are you scared of?
@aj777
What direct evidence are you talking about? Is the evidence objective?
The fact that anything exists at all: contingency argument
The universe had a beginning: cosmological argument
Extra biblical and biblical reliable eye witness testimony of the life, death, and resurrection of Jesus: minimal facts undisputed by skeptical non Christian scholars
The fact that anything exists at all: reality
The universe had a beginning: speculation
Extra biblical and biblical reliable eye witness testimony of the life, death, and resurrection of Jesus: minimal facts undisputed by skeptical non Christian scholars: a bald lie
IMO the first documented reference to jesus was by Tacitus in 64AD, when he also referred to christians being condemned for "hatred against mankind". it seems they got it right.
https://coldcasechristianity.com/writings/is-there-any-evidence-for-jesu...
Again. The inconsiderate behavior of evil Religious Absolutists astounds me. You still won't give a summary of the article so others can deem if it is worthy of reading.
Sad.
rmfr
Were they eye-witnesses or were they just rehashing folk tales?
There were no eye witnesses, Hitchens's razor - slash.
Why do apologists think unevidenced claims are evidence? It's like they have their own dictionary.
Eye witness testimony to the resurrection, that did make me laugh. I bet he has signed affidavits as well, the catholic church probably sell them, framed, in St Peter;s square and the faithful go home with the smug satisfaction their beliefs are vindicated. You have to fucking laugh, really you do.
Hahhahahhahahahha,
AJ777 "The fact that anything exists at all:" Argument from ignorance fallacy.
AJ777 "The universe had a beginning:" Argument from ignorance fallacy, and special pleading fallacy unless your deity had a beginning.
AJ777 "Extra biblical and biblical reliable eye witness testimony"
It can't be good for a man of my age to laugh this hard seriously what have you been smoking. Relliable fair play I squeezed out a little piss laughing at that.
"of the life, death, and resurrection of Jesus: "
A risible fantasy, and I notice your hard on for using things like the law of cause and effect and trying to apply it universally doesn't extend to the fact HUMANS DON'T FUCKING RISE FROM THE DEAD...EVER!
AJ777 "minimal facts undisputed by skeptical non Christian scholars"
Now minimal I'll give you, but not one single piece of that BS is remotely factual, and the last part made me squirt some more piss laughing again. Do you even see how moronic it is to claim non-christian scholars believe in the fucking myth of the resurrection?
I must say it's a new speed for you to introduce humour into your verbiage, I like it. Tell us a few jokes about magic apples and talking snakes next.
Now, you claimed it was your opinion that torturing children is immoral, why do you think this?
No, our theory says it MAY have been a singularity 13.8 billions of years ago. THAT'S. ALL.
@AJ777 Re: "You and I are bad people in need of a savior. Unless I’m willing to humble myself I will continue to act as if I am my own god."
Wow.... Just wow.... *chuckle* That statement would be totally hilarious if it were not so disturbing that you seem to sincerely believe it.... *shudder*... Anyway, up to this point I've done my best to ignore most of the crap coming out of your brain. Simply couldn't let this one pass, though.
When you say, "You and I are bad people," you might want to consider speaking strictly for yourself and leaving others out of it. Particularly considering the fact you know absolutely nothing about anybody else on this site. Now, in all fairness, I will be the first to admit I am not the most wonderful person on this little planet of ours. I freely admit to my shortcomings and failures, but I do at least try to be as honest with myself and others as I possibly can. And just so you know - yes - I AM my own god. I control my actions. I control my words. I control how I treat others. I am responsible for my conduct, and I am the one who has to live with anything I might do wrong. No imaginary entity required. The ONLY person I currently answer to in my life is my wife. And that is only because of the mutual trust, respect, and love we have for each other.
I CHOOSE to be a good person simply because it is far more beneficial to me and others as opposed to the alternative. I require no promise of any type of paradise, and I am not in the least bit threatened by any form of eternal punishment. I try to do good for the simple fact it is the right thing to do. YOU, on the other hand, seem to believe (according to your own words) YOU require some sort of "promise of reward" or "threat of punishment" in order to keep your "inherently wicked soul" on the straight and narrow. How totally and pathetically sad. Because in my book, that makes you and others like you horribly wretched people. And in many ways it makes you all weak and timid cowards, because you are too afraid to think for yourselves and take responsibility for your own lives. Yet you have the audacity to infer that I and others on this site are "bad people?"... In need of a savior?.... LMAO... Yeah, on second thought, that IS hilarious!.... *laughing even harder now*....
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