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I keep hoping ..... and Theists like AJ777 seem to keep proving me wrong.
You can't fix stupid.
David Killens "You can't fix stupid."
Technically being stupid IS a learning difficulty, perhaps we should be more sympathetic?
Then again, perhaps his lack of integrity, and arrogant demeanour are a barrier to this.
David Killens,
"You can't fix stupid."
Are you sure?
Proverbs 10:13 (CEV) = "If you have good sense, it will show when you speak. But if you are stupid, you will be beaten with a stick."
AJ777 " In your subjective opinion humans may have worth, but that claim can’t be supported by the atheist worldview"
*AN* atheist worldview. Not *The* atheist worldview. There is no such thing as *the atheist worldview. There are worldviews that encompasses the lack of belief in a deity or deities, but atheism on its own isn't a worldview, and it is axiomatic that no two atheists need have anything in common beyond their atheism.
Atheism has no creed, no dogma and no doctrine. Some atheists may unite in their opposition to the repugnant and immoral teachings of various religions, but that isn't atheism, it's the opinion of some atheists.
I still can't believe you are this ignorant, and suspect you're trolling, because your beliefs have not been given the reverence here you think they deserve.
As for the relative worth of humans , well you're the only one on here I've read that worships a deity, that your bible, which you believe is true, portrays as a sadistic genocidal murderer.
You can't even offer a single word to explain why torturing children or wrong , a SUBJECTIVE opinion you've offered that is again directly contradicted by your own bible which YOU claim to believe is true.
I don't think morality and ethics are topics you have any real grasp of to be honest. Along with your obvious ignorance of atheism, and epistemology you really need to do some objective research on these topics if you're going to even pretend you want to debate them..
@ AJ777
Sheldon: “AN atheist worldview. Not The atheist worldview. There is no such thing as the atheist worldview.”
AJ, just as your world view is different from another Christian's world view, my world view differs from Sheldon's world view. Although there may be many similarities, I guarantee if we were to delve deeper into our world views, you also find many differences.
How is it you CANNOT see this most simplest of truths? Have you truly and purposefully retarded your mental faculties with your religion to the poin that you cannot think for yourself? Must you always go back to the book of collected plagiarized lies? Think for yourself dude.
rmfr
STILL WAITING" (You know... We should all just keep repeating our questions until this dweeb answers them. Stop letting him move on by avoiding responses and trying to turn the tables with his own questions) ANSWER THE QUESTION! YOU MADE THE ASSERTION NOW DEFEND IT.,
The set of atheist beliefs.
1. Atheists do not believe in god or gods.
2. ?
3. ?
4. ?
Care to enlighten us? Atheism is generally a reaction to Theist claims that god's exist.. Nothing more. What are these claims you assert atheists are making? There is no atheist world view. At\heists are liberals and conservatives. Atheists are secularists, Buddhists, New Ageists, Spiritualists and more... Where is this belief system you speak of?
COMMENT FOR EVERYONE IN THE THREAD:
AJ777 is simply using avoidance and muddying the waters to move from topic to topic to topic. If you have asked him a question and he skips over it or shifts your question into a question of his own STOP LETTING HIM DO THAT. Confront him with the same question over and over and over until he responds. STOP LETTING HIM SQUIRM AWAY AND START NEW TOPICS.
STILL WAITING" (You know... We should all just keep repeating our questions until this dweeb answers them. Stop letting him move on by avoiding responses and trying to turn the tables with his own questions) ANSWER THE QUESTION! YOU MADE THE ASSERTION NOW DEFEND IT.,
The set of atheist beliefs.
1. Atheists do not believe in god or gods.
2. ?
3. ?
4. ?
Care to enlighten us? Atheism is generally a reaction to Theist claims that god's exist.. Nothing more. What are these claims you assert atheists are making? There is no atheist world view. At\heists are liberals and conservatives. Atheists are secularists, Buddhists, New Ageists, Spiritualists and more... Where is this belief system you speak of?
THERE IS NO REASON TO MOVE FURTHER UNTIL WE HAVE A CLEAR UNDERSTANDING. PROVE ATHEISM HAS A WORLD VIEW OR ADMIT THAT YOU ARE WRONG.
By Cognostic's suggestion.
@ AJ777
Is it objectively moral to force children to believe in the Bible utilizing mental rape, emotional molestation, and psychological terrorism? Is it objectively moral to force a belief in an entity that cannot be proven by utilizing mental rape, emotional molestation, and psychological terrorism?
Even if your God exists outside of normal space and time, anything it does to this realm will leave evidence. Where is that evidence?
There are approximately 20,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 stars in this universe. We are now discovering that stars with planets are the norm, instead of the exception. We have even discovered several Terran-type planets within what is called the “Goldilocks Zone.” Do you honestly expect me to believe that your God created such a huge universe with all those galaxies and stars and planets just for a single species of backward, primitive, barbaric primates on only one insignificant planet orbiting an insignificant star located in an insignificant galaxy? If you believe such a delusion, then you are truly suffering from the major mental disorders as described above.
Even if I were to say that only one-hundredth of one-hundredth of one-hundredth of one-hundredth of one-hundredth of one-hundredth of one-hundredth of one-hundredth of one-hundredth of one-hundredth of one percent (×0.000 000 000 000 000 000 01) of those total stars has an “earth-like” planet with intelligent life and an advanced civilization comparable to ours, that would mean that there would still be 200 such planets in this vast universe. Of course, if all 200 were evenly distributed throughout the universe, the distances would be so vast between us, none shall ever know the existence of the others. Ever. Think Critically about it.
From whence comes evil and sin?
Who sends who to Hell?
rmfr
DON'T REPLY TO HIS BULLSHIT UNTIL HE RESPONDS TO QUESTIONS ASKED. I AM SO SICK OF THIS JERKS DANCING ABOUT WITH UNFOUNDED ASSERTION AFTER ASSERTION AND NOTHING BACKING ANYTHING UP. HE NEEDS TO BEGIN RESPONDING TO OTHER HUMAN BEINGS ON THE SITE.
Cognostic, are you familiar with bullying behavior? Are you saying that I’m not behaving in accord with an objective moral standard, or are you saying you just don’t like my responses? He that denies one set of beliefs is a true believer of another set of beliefs.
He's saying your responses are just more empty unevidenced claims, and dishonest evasion.
Why would atheists in a debate forum like responses that don't honestly address anything they've said, or make any candid effort at debate, instead offering nothing but endless empty unevidenced claims preached at us like a never ending tedious sermon.
Here's a newsflash for you, unlike theists atheists don't like being preached to, and your endless lying BS about atheism being a religion is as tedious as it is risible.
Now, you claimed it was your opinion that torturing children is immoral, despite your deity doing this repeatedly in the bible YOU believe is true. So have the integrity to tell us why at least you think it is immoral, instead of hiding behind these nonsense claims about atheism.
"Cognostic, are you familiar with bullying behavior?"
It's been a hallmark that typifies the ascent of most organised religions throughout human history. A characteristic that enable religions to dominate human thinking and promote ignorance and superstition through irrational puerile beliefs that have no objective validity whatsoever. Beliefs that attempt to retard science and the advancement of human knowledge and morality by clinging doggedly to bronze age ignorance, bigotry and what passed for morality in those barbaric and cruel patriarchal societies.
Religion belongs now to the infancy of human thinking, and like adults the human species needs to grow up and move on.
@AJ777
"Cognostic, are you familiar with bullying behavior?"
Please be aware that most theists that visit this forum state that if we do not bend to their position, we will spend an eternity in horrible suffering.
AJ777 if you have even implied such a position, then that is 100% bullying. Just because someone takes a firm stance against your posts you do not need to go into "special snowflake mode".
Atheists face bullying on a daily basis, from theists like you from television to billboards to politicians. So don't get all whiney and pouting from just a person standing their ground.
What, you wanna cry now because someone is standing their ground and trying to get you to defend some inane assertion you made. Do you need a tissue? DEFEND YOUR ASSERTION OR ADMIT YOU MADE A MISTAKE.
STILL WAITING" (You know... We should all just keep repeating our questions until this dweeb answers them. Stop letting him move on by avoiding responses and trying to turn the tables with his own questions) ANSWER THE QUESTION! YOU MADE THE ASSERTION NOW DEFEND IT.,
The set of atheist beliefs.
1. Atheists do not believe in god or gods.
2. ?
3. ?
4. ?
Care to enlighten us? Atheism is generally a reaction to Theist claims that god's exist.. Nothing more. What are these claims you assert atheists are making? There is no atheist world view. At\heists are liberals and conservatives. Atheists are secularists, Buddhists, New Ageists, Spiritualists and more... Where is this belief system you speak of?
THERE IS NO REASON TO MOVE FURTHER UNTIL WE HAVE A CLEAR UNDERSTANDING. PROVE ATHEISM HAS A WORLD VIEW OR ADMIT THAT YOU ARE WRONG.
Cognostic,
"THERE IS NO REASON TO MOVE FURTHER UNTIL WE HAVE A CLEAR UNDERSTANDING. PROVE ATHEISM HAS A WORLD VIEW OR ADMIT THAT YOU ARE WRONG."
According to this site = https://www.conservapedia.com/Atheist_worldview = anyone who has any of the listed beliefs has an atheist world view.
The article seems to be saying that unless a person believes in supernatural mumbo-jumbo then he has an atheist world view.
@ AJ777
Item number 8 on that list: “They LIE by utilizing whiney-ass pleas.”
Now the child is going to throw whiney-ass pleas about atheists standing their ground and forcing a theist to defend his presupposed assumptions and lies. WHAAAAA!
======================================================================
rmfr
@ AJ777
And forgot. You have never addressed the questions in this...
There is no philosophical ideology more divisive than religion. Religion does nothing but pervert, demoralize, subvert, and bribe all persons with the belief that it possesses the one and only truth. And, the worst part of ANY religion is that it is an ideology that is implicitly and explicitly protected from any and all criticism from both within and without. Why should any ideology, especially religion, be so privileged? Can you not see how disastrous this way of thinking can be, and is?
I believe religion is, and has always been, tremendously harmful to Humanity. I believe that religions, and their way of thinking, and their theological disagreements, have created the greatest violence, destruction, injury, death, bigotry, harm, immorality, intolerance, wickedness, and abuse to the human species than any other cause. The main problem is not religious fundamentalism, but the fundamentals of religion. Religion’s loose version of “morality,” has NO place in a civilized society.
Sure. You can argue that it is the extremists, not the doctrine. All this says to me is that you have never truly read the various doctrines. It is both. Extremists might be using it as an excuse, but it is an excuse that the religious texts readily provide. I firmly believe, and shall take this belief to my grave, that the human species would have been much better off had there NEVER been ANY form of religion.
I see NO evidence of ANY gods, but plenty of evidence of religion’s harm.
And I am a lot more concerned with the welfare of my fellow human beings than I am about “offending” or “hurting the feelings” of a bunch of barbarians who choose to believe in the faerie tales of an obsolete, irrelevant, savage, offensive, and unsubstantiated, immoral Bronze Age religious text about an imaginative Sky Faerie and Magic Zombie Virgin.
Offended? So the fuck what!
Ultimately, it is Religion that is Humankind’s worst enemy.
rmfr
And when you post some texts of the Bible or Koran, they react by posting other ones without answers on yours.
Or they use the "out of context" argument...
rmfr
"I see NO evidence of ANY gods, but plenty of evidence of religion’s harm."
"Ultimately, it is Religion that is Humankind’s worst enemy."
Bam!
“Religion does nothing but pervert, demoralize, subvert, and bribe all persons with the belief that it possesses the one and only truth. And, the worst part of ANY religion is that it is an ideology that is implicitly and explicitly protected from any and all criticism from both within and without.”
So you’re saying that what you believe is actually true. How is your truth claim any different than the claim of a religion to possess the truth? The very presence of this website and other groups like it seem to be evidence that religions are not protected from all criticism.
Because you have blinded yourself to the true truth, mentally retarded your mental faculties to the point you can no longer think critically, utilize logical and deductive reasoning, and rational and analytical thought.
What is the whole premise of religion?
Religion believes it is not open to criticism. Religion does nothing but pervert, demoralize, subvert, and bribe all persons with the belief that it possesses the one and only truth. And, the worst part of ANY religion is that it is an ideology that is implicitly and explicitly protected from any and all criticism from both within and without. I guess even repeating this shall not sink through that skull.
Ultimately, if you cannot see this ultimate truth about religion, especially Christianity and Islam, then you are forever doomed to follow the dark path of evil. Both Christianity and Islam can be summed up with two statements, “You are to live in peace, love and brotherhood, but only this those of like minds (beliefs system). All others are to be put to the sword (killed).” Read both the Bible and Qu’ran. It is in both of them.
Arthur C Clarke:
“One of the greatest tragedies in mankind’s entire history may be that morality was hijacked by religion. So now people assume that religion and morality have a necessary connection. But the basis of morality is really very simple and doesn’t require religion at all. Religion is the most malignant of all mind viruses.”
“Human judges can show mercy. But against the laws of nature, there is no appeal. Not even for religion.”
rmfr
“The set of atheist beliefs.
1. Atheists do not believe in god or gods.
2. ?
3. ?
4. ?”
This more accurately describes weak agnosticism. An atheist typically holds a belief that God does not exist. Weak agnosticism is a claim to not know if God exists. Strong agnosticism is a claim that one can’t know that God exists. Strong agnosticism is self defeating. I think it would be more accurate to label oneself as a weak agnostic instead of atheist if one holds to the new atheists definition.
@AJ777
"new atheists definition"
There is no "new" atheist definition.
Your argument is a complete fail at attempting to redefine something you do not agree with.
And your first proposition is also inaccurate, even dishonest. The only thing atheists have in common is a lack of belief in a god. There is a vast difference between "do not believe" and "a lack of belief".
Unless you start acting like a mature adult, I will point you out as a shining example that religion allows stupid people to be even dumber.
What’s the difference sir?
See? Proof you cannot think. That is what religion does. It forces its beliefs onto a person.
Quit being a mindless religious robot being force fed the data THEY wish you to know. Think Critically about it.
rmfr
AVOIDING THE QUESTION BY TRYING TO REDEFINE ATHEISM IS A SLIMY BULLSHIT AND DISHONEST MANEUVER. You no more get to define our atheism than we get to define your version of Christianity.
An agnostic is a person without knowledge of god and an atheist is a person without belief in god. The prefix 'A' in both cases means "WITHOUT."
a - GNOSTIC: Without Knowledge.
a - THEISTS" Without belief in god. (Theism)
These are not the same thing. As far as I can tell, everyone is agnostic,. You are as agnostic as the next christian that comes trolling along.. What do you think you actually know about God and how can you prove you know it?
ATHEISTS ARE NOT REQUIRED HOLD BELIEFS THAT GOD OR GODS DO NOT EXIST. You are wrong again. And even if they did --. This is a bullshit attempt to set up a straw-man argument and avoid the burden of proof. The next bit of bullshit that comes out of your mouth is "Atheists can't prove there isn't a god," a useless apologetic. Atheists do not have to prove there is no god. The person making the claim has a burden of proof. You assert there is a god - PROVE IT>
NONE OF THIS REPRESENTS A SET OF ATHEIST BELIEFS --- All you are doing is attempting to set up straw man arguments so you can spread your pedantic bullshit once again and avoid answering the question.
ANSWER THE QUESTION:
You said atheists have a set of beliefs - I don;t give a fk about your interpretation of what an atheist is. Christians are delusional cowards who refuse to answer point blank questions when they are posed to them What world views do you think atheists have? STOP PLAYING YOUR FRIGGING GAMES AND RESPOND TO THE QUESTION SO WE CAN TELL YOU THAT YOU ARE WRONG AGAIN,.
STILL WAITING" (You know... We should all just keep repeating our questions until this dweeb answers them. Stop letting him move on by avoiding responses and trying to turn the tables with his own questions) ANSWER THE QUESTION! YOU MADE THE ASSERTION NOW DEFEND IT.,
The set of atheist beliefs.
1. Atheists do not believe in god or gods.
2. ?
3. ?
4. ?
Care to enlighten us? Atheism is generally a reaction to Theist claims that god's exist.. Nothing more. What are these claims you assert atheists are making? There is no atheist world view. At\heists are liberals and conservatives. Atheists are secularists, Buddhists, New Ageists, Spiritualists and more... Where is this belief system you speak of?
AJ777 "Weak agnosticism is a claim to not know if God exists. Strong agnosticism is a claim that one can’t know that God exists. "
As usual your ignorance is astonishing.
Agnosticism, (from Greek agnōstos, “unknowable”), strictly speaking a doctrine that one cannot know of the existence of anything beyond the phenomena of our experience (empirically evidenced in other words) The term has come to be equated in popular parlance with scepticism about religious questions in general and in particular with the rejection of traditional Christian beliefs under the impact of modern scientific thought.
One can be both an atheist and an agnostic, they are not mutually exclusive positions. I don''t know if invisible and empirically undetectable unicorns exist, but I don't believe they do as there is no rational or empirical evidence, just as with the plethora of fictional deities humans have created as a balm to their existential fears.
"I think it would be more accurate to label oneself as a weak agnostic instead of atheist if one holds to the new atheists definition."
Who cares what you think, you're a delusional blinkered intransigent theist, lets not forget you think it is immoral to torture children, yet can't offer a single word as to why. Your endless list of unevidenced claims makes me laugh.
@AJ777: “The set of atheist beliefs.
Here's how I define them.
1. There is no credible evidence in archaeology, literature, or science for the existence of gods.
2. There is no clear definition of what a god is, so we don't even know what we're arguing about.
3. The existence of so many different religions, even just within the Christian cult, is good evidence that religions are made by men.
4. Every phenomenon attributed to gods in the past, from lightning to tsunami, has been explained by science.
5. Much evil has been done in the name of religions that profess to follow a god who is perfectly good.
6. In the vast majority of cases, people's religions are not determined by revelation, but by accident of birth.
7. Religions that claim to represent objective and eternal truth have emerged comparatively recently in human history.
8. The many similarities between religions suggest they are the products of plagiarism and/or tradition.
9. Mormonism?!
For all of these reasons, I consider the non-existence of god(s) to be beyond reasonable doubt.
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