why do you not believe in God?

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arakish's picture
But cards could be stacked on

But cards could be stacked on the moon. All we would need is another manned mission to land on the moon, carrying a deck of cards with them, then put them on the surface of the moon. The moon has enough gravity to hold the cards there. The sun's radiation might cook the hell out of them, but they would stay there. Debunked again.

rmfr

Sapporo's picture
JazzTheist: Yes, there is a

JazzTheist: Yes, there is a big diference.

A bunny, by definition, is a thing in the natural world. The philosophically necessary first cause by definition cannot be a thing in the natural world. Case closed.

Why do you keep assuming there was a first cause?

TheBlindWatchmaker's picture
The lengths one will go to in

The lengths one will go to in order to confirm their personal beliefs is quite staggering.

LogicFTW's picture
@TheBlindWatchmaker

@TheBlindWatchmaker

Ofcourse, they do not want to admit they and many of their most "trusted" respected and important to them peers also got conned. Plus then they would have to deal with reality instead of dreamland we all go to some sort of afterlife, that usually is described as "heaven." And actually think for themselves instead of thinking some greater thing is doing all the real thinking for them.

 
 

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JazzTheist's picture
Agreed.

Agreed.

Cognostic's picture
TheBlindWatchmaker; Prove to

TheBlindWatchmaker; JazzTheist is the only person on the site that has the truth. Prove to me the omniscient jar of peanut butter is not controlling you. He made you an atheist. He made you question him. He made you so he could send you to mayonnaise/ PROVE ME WRONG!

Randomhero1982's picture
I was promised 12 well

I was promised 12 virgins in Marmite if I promised to be good

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You vile beasts.

You vile beasts.

LogicFTW's picture
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@Randomhero1982

I was promised 12 virgins in Marmite if I promised to be good

You only have to promise to be good to get 12 virgins in Maramite? I will take that deal (to free those poor virgins stuck in Marmite!) Just a promise but I do not have to actually carry through on my promise? Sure I can save 12 virgins from a Marmite covered death!

OH! ... Wait.. that was only a promise too, what if the god idea that promised me the 12 virgins in marmite is also just promising but has no intentions of making good on that promise, (has a bad track record of keeping promises!) Dang it, never mind I almost fell for your trick Randomhero1982! There is no virgins in Marmite and their is no god!

Phew! I am on to you, you sneaky.... devil? you!

 
 

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David Killens's picture
From https://www.reddit.com/r

From https://www.reddit.com/r/Jokes/comments/63cjjf/just_dropped_my_phone_in_...

Just dropped my phone in mayonnaise

... You should have been more carefull in heinz sight

..... True, although I was in a rush as I needed to ketchup with work

....... At least you weren't in the bathroom - you could have dropped it in Dijon.

JazzTheist's picture
And guys like you made me a

And guys like you made me a theist. Prove to me that things somehow can exist without a reason.

Tin-Man's picture
@Squid-Jazz Re: "Prove to

@Squid-Jazz Re: "Prove to me that things somehow can exist without a reason."

Well, there's really no reason for you to be here, but you seem to exist. There. Proof.

David Killens's picture
Mike drop

Mike drop

JazzTheist's picture
There is EVERY reason for me

There is EVERY reason for me to be here because this is the DEBATE room.

Cognostic's picture
So when will you stop making

So when will you stop making inane assertions and begin debating with facts and evidence? Do you even know what "debate" means? In debates people express differing opinions and usually offer facts and evidence to support their opinions. They do not simply make inane assertions.

JazzTheist's picture
Enough said; you are stuck

Enough said; you are stuck inside a naturalistic worldview.

Cognostic's picture
Oh Tin Man!!!! How could

Oh Tin Man!!!! How could you. I though you and I were friends. You just insulted the child of the woman I have one night stands with.

I'm so sorry Theist baby. The mean Tin Man should not be picking on you. Tell mommy I said "Hi."

Next time I am in town I will bring you your very own bible card game. Then you will have something to do when the rest of the kids won't play with you. Tell mommy I miss her.

JazzTheist's picture
How ironic and hypocritical

How ironic and hypocritical that you, claiming that I should ''stop saying bullshit'', throws insults towards my parents as legit arguments.

David Killens's picture
@jazzTheist

@jazzTheist

"How ironic and hypocritical that you, claiming that I should ''stop saying bullshit'', throws insults towards my parents as legit arguments."

Are your parents legit arguments?

arakish's picture
Hey you were the one who

Hey you were the one who called him motherfucker. He must have fucked your mother. Thus, he might be your father. No insults. Logical and deductive reasoning. Yet it was you who said you used such to become a Religious Absolutist.

rmfr

algebe's picture
@JazzTheist: Prove to me that

@JazzTheist: Prove to me that things somehow can exist without a reason.

First define "reason".

JazzTheist's picture
A fact that logically

A fact that logically justifies some premise or conclusion. Or to put it otherwise:

Reason for existence=answer to why anything exists at all

Cognostic's picture
Another inane assertion.

Another inane assertion. "There is a reason for existence." PROVE IT>

JazzTheist's picture
You know what? You actually

You know what? You actually already subconsciously agree with me. By hanging around this site and insulting theists, you’re abiding to some sort of reason that governs your existence.

Think about what that reason is; and you will find it lying outside of naturalism.

David Killens's picture
@JazzTheist

@JazzTheist

"By hanging around this site and insulting theists, you’re abiding to some sort of reason that governs your existence."

I own stock in Orville Redenbacher. Sales have spiked since you popped up.

arakish's picture
JazzTheist: "Think about what

JazzTheist: "Think about what that reason is; and you will find it lying outside of naturalism."

There is nothing outside the natural world. It is YOUR assertion that there is.

Either provide OBJECTIVE HARD EMPIRICAL EVIDENCE because Onus probandi incumbit ei qui dicit non ei qui negat OR, admit you are wrong.

Remember, absence of evidence means absence of existence.

rmfr

algebe's picture
@JazzTheist: answer to why

@JazzTheist: answer to why anything exists at all

So you're only talking about cause and effect, not purpose and destiny?

If you were using the scientific method to find the causal chain leading to a chemical reaction, for example, would you include "god did it" among your hypotheses, or would you keep searching until you found the true answer? The origin of the universe is the most difficult question we have, but that doesn't mean it's impossible. Theism is the surrender of human reason in the face of this great challenge.

I also see theism as an emotional reaction triggered by the need for some kind of greater purpose or destiny for our existence. Basically it's a security blanket to shield us from reality.

SecularSonOfABiscuitEater's picture
If you wish to assign "GOD"

If you wish to assign "GOD" as the "necessary ultimate answer to why natural phenomena occurs" you will only deem your god obsolete and here is why: Every single time a scientific discovery is made and it accurately explains natural phenomena, a divine explanation will become obsolete.

Dear Theists,

Read this again: "God is the necessary ultimate answer to why natural phenomena occurs"

If you think like this, then you are only fooling yourself. This use of your god and this idea of what makes a real god vs what doesn't is not only flawed, but it is a lazy cop out. Even if your god existed, he should have better representation. You wouldn't deserve it.

JazzTheist's picture
Again, you are confusing how

Again, you are confusing how questions with why questions and is thus a non sequitor. I’m not asking how the building was built; I’m asking why it was built.

Cognostic's picture
And clearly any human is

And clearly any human is capable of telling you why any building was built with just a bit of research into the matter, You are confusing things that happen naturally with things that are built. Because a building was built does not mean that a tree was built. Because someone once built a car does not mean a mountain also had a builder. The only one making inane assertions around this plane is JAZZY boy.

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