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Well, mormonism is one of the worst religions in the USA.
1) It is racist (Probably why it has the largest genealogy organizations in the world, reminds me of the NAZIs)
2) It has the audacity to convert people without their wishes, especially after they are dead. Realistically they really can't but they do it symbolically anyway.
3) They brainwash children via many methods.
4) Many of its ideas and tenets are on par with scientology. I mean they just made up the shit about jesus coming to the Americas. a) they would KNOW what the Americas were called before the Europeans named them the Americas, and b) how come the natives weren't moron when the Europeans arrived if it really happened? So it's all made up bullshit.
5) Morons bother everybody all the fucking time.
So morons can kiss my ass.
6) I am part native American and I resent the moron's treatment of my ancestors.
7) The morons should have to pay restitution for starting a war with the USA in 1838. They were never properly held accountable!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1838_Mormon_War
1)We are not racist, if you are saying that because of us not allowing African Americans to hold the priesthood until the 1970's, that is now in our past. We allow and encourage everyone to be a part of our church.
2)we do not convert people against their wishes. We are not allowed to baptize people who have died within the past 110 years without the closest living relatives permission. We also believe that the people who have died already are given the choice whether to accept baptism or not.
3)We do not brainwash our children, they are allowed to choose their own paths in life. my brother is not mormon even though we both grew up going to church every week.
4)We do not know what the Americas were called (as far as I know) before the Europeans named them because the name is not mentioned in the Book Of Mormon which is a history of the people who lived here before us. We did not make up the stuff about jesus coming to the Americas, it is mentioned in the book of mormon. if you want to know why the people in the Americas were not mormon, you would have to read the Book Of Mormon. The evil people in the land killed off all the good people because they were not following God any more.
5)yes, we do bother people a lot, please don't swear.
6)I am sorry if we wronged your anscestors in any way.
7)ever heard of the extermination order in Missouri? The LDS people were sought out and attacked by the people of missouri. many women and children were massacred, that conflict was not started by us.
@Mormon
Bullshit! Mormons still baptize dead people against the wishes of the dead and their families.
https://www.google.com/search?q=mormons+baptize+dead+people+against+thei...
Mormons ARE racist!
http://www.utlm.org/onlinebooks/curseofcain_contents.htm
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mette-ivie-harrison/is-white-supremacy-inh...
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/19/opinion/sunday/racism-and-the-mormon-c...
As for #4, You don't know what the natives in America were called before the Europeans named them because YOU DIDN"T EVEN KNOW THERE WAS AN AMERICA. The book of mormons is bullshit and that proves it.
I will fucking SWEAR if I fucking want to asshole. You can't edit me you fucking punk!
#6 if you are sorry, give back our lands, turn yourself in for genocide and rape and go back to Europe!
#7 Don't talk to me about what happened in Missouri. I had nothing to do with it, not even my ancestors. That doesn't excuse the crimes of the mormons.
I am a mormon, I would know more about my religion than those people. WE DO NOT BAPTIZE PEOPLE AGAINST THEIR WILL. WE ARE NOT ALLOWED TO. I did nothing to your ancestors, neither did my ancestors. that was the American people, not mormons. The majority of us didn't come from Europe, the religion originated in the U.S.
you swearing at me does not make you intimidating or make me want to converse with you in any way.
Bullshit! Just because you are a mormon doesn't mean you know about that religion than people that OBJECTIVELY STUDY your religion.
You don't think mormons did nothing to native Americans? They stole their land by FORCE.
the mormon religion WAS started in NEW YORK by Americans that were first and second generation Europeans!
I'll swear to whom, where and when I want punk so FUCK YOU!
The LDS STILL baptize people against their wishes. So don't fucking lie!
I will say this one final time, we do not baptize against anyone's will. We actually don't baptize people until they've learned enough about the church they are joining. If somebody does not want to be baptized, we will not bug them about it or force them. One of the largest things taught in our church is free agency, which is the ability to make your own choices. We follow strictly to that, we do not force people to follow commandments, but we recommend it. we do not force people to not drink coffee, but we recommend it. As for people who have already died, I have already told you this, they are given the option whether or not they accept the baptism. A baptism in our religion is not valid unless it is willingly accepted by the person being baptized. I have grown up in this church, I know how it works. and please, I know you enjoy swearing, but I deal with it enough at school, I don't need immaturity here as well.
I am a mormon,
Being baptized for the dead was one of the earliest Christian rituals.
1 Corinthians 15:29 (TLB) = If the dead will not come back to life again, then what point is there in people being baptized for those who are gone? Why do it unless you believe that the dead will someday rise again?
Jesus swore. Are you better than Jesus?
The BoM uses insults against people.
we believe that the dead will rise again, that is one of our main beliefs.
What do you mean Jesus swore? if used in the right context, damn, and ass are not swear words. Damn means to condemn, and ass is another word for donkey, as well as hell is not a swear if used in the right context.
how does the BoM use insults against people?
I am a mormon, "how does the BoM use insults against people?"...
1 Nephi 14:12 = "And it came to pass that I beheld the church of the Lamb of God, and its numbers were few, because of the wickedness and abominations of the whore who sat upon many waters; nevertheless, I beheld that the church of the Lamb, who were the saints of God, were also upon all the face of the earth; and their dominions upon the face of the earth were small, because of the wickedness of the great whore whom I saw."
2 Nephi 10:3 = "Wherefore, as I said unto you, it must needs be expedient that Christ -- for in the last night the angel spake unto me that this should be his name -- should come among the Jews, among those who are the more wicked part of the world; and they shall crucify him -- for thus it behooveth our God, and there is none other nation on earth that would crucify their God"
2 Nephi 10:16 = "Wherefore, he that fighteth against Zion, both Jew and Gentile, both bond and free, both male and female, shall perish; for they are they who are the whore of all the earth; for they who are not for me are against me, saith our God."
you don't know the difference between an insult and a rebuke. It mentions that the people fought against the prophets because they said the truth about them. it is not an insult, it is the truth.
I am a mormon,
See how easy I made you look good? I gave you a perfect opportunity to chide me for my apparent ignorance. One day you will be a prophet.
Before anyone brings up the mountain meadows massacre, that is a subject of remorse for many LDS people. That was committed against the will of the prophet, while he was away traveling. The people who did this were very wrong and were rebuked by the prophet when he returned, he was extremely angry.
Want to hear a funny story about the mountain meadows massacre? My political science professor in college was a Mormon with a PhD in history from BYU, had lived in Utah most of his life, and had taught Utah history at one point. When I brought up the mountain meadows massacre he claimed he had never heard of it. Perhaps you are not living in denial, but I assure you, much of your congregation is.
If they are that is very wrong and disrespectful. My dad is the editor for the television show 'History Of The Saints' so I know a little bit about the history of the church and I won't deny the bits that may be a little uncomfortable.
Well the thing is, I believe him (that he had never heard of it). Why?
Haha, that's pretty great, but I don't believe it applies to many Mormons. I was actually taught about the mountain meadows massacre in my seminary class in 9th grade class when we studied the doctrine and covenants. So I know that we are at least being taught about it.
Remember, you just participated in basically the same thing. You told us Smith had not be convicted of any crime, yet your church says otherwise. You seem to know quite a bit about your religion but you didn't seem to know this; even though a cursory review would have shown you were wrong. It seems you have a remarkable capacity to not hear about things you don't like, just like my old professor.
well, I actually did not know about that one, there are many accusations like that floating around. I didn't look at the BYU one at first because you said you put the wrong link, I didn't realize that it was affiliated with the church, if I had I wouldn't have denied it.
I would suggest this is a serious problem. I can only hope that if you think about what you just said for a second, it will give you pause.
yeah, I knew it sounded weird when I posted it. For the most part I trust the legitimacy of the church, we don't approve of lying at all so my first instinct when I read something from them is to agree with it. If it were proven wrong however, my position on the subject would change.
I don't think it surprises any of us; that a member of religion A, believes what church A says, by instinct. That is practically a truism.
well, there are a lot of things the church has stood by when other people say they are wrong. In the Book Of Mormon it mentions how the people in the Americas used cement all the time and a lot of people fell away from the church because there was no cement here before we came here, but after a while cement was discovered. I know there may be some things that are wrong, but the majority of the time the church is very careful to make sure what they say is correct. One to avoid controversy and two because they want others to know the truth rather than made up facts
Bullshit! That is a flat out lie. Brigham Young was acting like an autocrat. which was the cause of the war in 1857-58. Young ordered six Californians executed, actually signed the order, because he thought that they were spies!
Young issued 'The State of Deseret' which basically usurps the U. S. Constitution! Young started talking about secession and created the Nauvoo Legion, an armed militia to fight federal troops.
Don't lie about history punk. It's too easy to check out.
http://io9.gizmodo.com/5981536/a-19th-century-war-against-mormons
It's also very easy to find lies on the internet, which is what you have just done. in one of our articles of faith it states that we believe in following the laws of the government which we live in, if Brigham young had done that he would have been out of order and lost many followers.
If you could answer a question of mine, that'd be great. My question is why did the angel just hand John some gold tablets to copy down what is said on them instead of just showing the whole world the gold tablets?
Do you mean Joseph?
I am seriously sorry lol. I can actually blame my bad memory :b but yes I do. I also love how quickly you're replying :)
Haha, that's fine. The plates were given to Joseph only because of what would have happened to them if they got into the wrong hands. There was a point in time where Joseph let the man who was helping him translate the plates (Oliver Cowdrey) take some of them to show only to his family. Oliver showed them to other people and they were stolen. Joseph did not recover, or attempt to recover the plates because he knew the information on them would have been changed by the people who stole them because of the opposition to the church at that time. If they had been given to all people they would have been destroyed. Though they weren't given to everyone in the form of the gold plates they are now available to whoever wants them in the form of the Book Of Mormon. They have been translated into 110 different languages and you can get them from missionaries for free wherever you are.
I'm no expert on Mormon mythology; but that is news to me. I am skeptical of your claim that even the mythology says that Cowdery stole any of the supposed golden plates. Could you please give a scholarly source for that claim?
I'm skeptical because Cowdery was supposedly present with Smith, when Smith returned the plates to Moroni (according to the mythology); which don't sound right when combined with your claim that Cowdery had previously stolen plates from Smith.
I did not say that Oliver Cowdrey stole them, they were stolen by other people that he showed the plates to. http://eom.byu.edu/index.php/Manuscript,_Lost_116_Pages
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