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@jnv3
Eric the rainbow farting unicorn (who lives in my garage) tells me It's magic that causes all those things. I believe him, after all, we all know that DNA is a witch code and was designed specifically to produce jnv3 as the greatest living human without a fucking brain. And she succeeded. Anyway owl moths are actually teeny owl masks stuck on in the elf factory where they also produce the leaf mantis, elephant mouse, stag beetle and other magical beasts. You have no idea how many reindeer horns they get through to produce those stag beetles add ons. Of course there is the unicorn horn recycling scheme which helps out the poor old narwhal, Eric is very proud of that idea, he is very charity minded.
Still waiting for @J N Vanderbilt III to submit his ingenious rebuttal to a scientific journal.
I'd be impressed if he actually acknowledged that he is claiming to know better than the entire scientific world's consensus based on over 160 years of scientific research from multiple fields of study, all of which converge on the same conclusion. that all living things evolved from common ancestry.
DNA on it's own is unequivocal evidence of shared or common ancestry.
Actually, I think Old Man's above would be more easily published than anything jnv3 could write up in 100 years.
@ jnv3, better get started. It means you be 113 years old by you get finished.
rmfr
I'm still wondering if you're a YEC, how old do you believe the universe and the earth to be?
"Nearly all (around 97%) of the scientific community accepts evolution as the dominant scientific theory of biological diversity.Scientific associations have strongly rebutted and refuted the challenges to evolution proposed by intelligent design proponents."
Hmm who to side with, the entire scientific world or a creationist with a chip on his shoulder?
Overwhelming Scientific Confidence in Evolution and its Centrality in Science Education--And the Public Disconnect
"The teaching and learning of biological evolution has been beset by a host of challenges ranging from pedagogical obstacles to social controversy. These include two distinctive sets of problems: one arising from the fact that many evolutionary concepts may seem counter-intuitive to students, and the other stemming from objections rooted in religion. A misconception common to both of these categories is the notion that significant doubt exists within the scientific community as to whether evolution actually occurred, or that it is “a theory in crisis.” This article reviews the positions of the scientific and science education communities and how these compare with those of the general public."
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/228474769_Overwhelming_Scientif...
https://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrary/article/lines_01
I'm going to not be a hypocrite and cherry pick which scientific facts I accept, but then I am not manacled to an a priori superstitious belief system.
Im still wondering what the twat is on an atheist forum asking random people about evolution... ask a biologist you thunderous muppet.
Atheists are on thing, people who are not convinced that there is a god.
So how about demonstrating something, anything... that objectively proves your god is real and not some made up bullshit.
Come on, we're waiting...
And don't say magic like a 4 yr old.
Wow not a single sensible stab at an answer. Something tells me the collective you knows that luck has its limitations and that it’s met it’s match.
Just keep telling yourself it’s settled science, you emperors have no clothes LOL
Sure, but none of us I imagine are biologists, let alone evolutionary biologists.
According to Nachman and Crowell in their paper, in humans the rate of mutation is estimated to be ~2.5 × 10−8 mutations per nucleotide site or 175 mutations per diploid genome per generation.
However, this very much depends on numerous factors such as:
- unfavorable mutations will be subjected to negative selection
- favorable mutations the other way
- neutral mutations which just continue at a stead evolutionary rate
Now this is all tested, documented, evidenced and so fourth.
How about your claim sweetheart?
What is the probability of it happening via magic?
Can you describe the mechanism for how this happens?
Can you tell us how you can test to prove your claim?
Sweetheart? You jest
So “Now this is all tested, documented, evidenced and so fourth.”
Show me one example of a positive mutation that exemplifies any new body plan. Let’s start w the fruit flies.
Besides you need multiple coordinated mutations for an owl face among all other strokes of luck !!
Look, You have had over 30 pages now where as a community we have all answered a plethora of questions from you.
We have demonstrated that your OP is incorrect in that there are no codes, DNA 'code' (and all codes for that matter) are simply humans describing patterns that we see in nature, or molecules for this specific subject.
We have evidenced the mathematical probabilities of mutations as I posted above.
The list goes on, and on, and on.
You have offered nothing in return and I (and I suggest others too) stop replying until you either acknowledge your fundamental misunderstanding and/or answer question we put to you.
Consistently now, you have failed to demonstrate or evidence your claims nor have you answered our questions to you.
I ask again.
Can you demonstrate or evidence any proof of supernatural phenomena?
What is the probability of anything happening via supernatural phenomena, specifically evolution?
In the event of the supernatural causing absolutely anything, Can you describe the mechanism for how this happens?
Can you tell us the methodology used to prove your claim?
At the moment this appears to be just a dull thread where you straw-man at every avenue, fail to meet or shift the burden of proof and demonstrate your own personal incredulity.
Show us some substance to your claims.
@ jnv3
It is called OBJECTIVE HARD EMPIRICAL EVIDENCE for a reason. You have none.
All you have is idiotic and moronic assertions. Why don't you go to college and study Evolutionary Biology. Come back in ten years, figuring it would take you that long just to earn a Bachelor's degree, and tell us what you have learned.
rmfr
“We have evidenced the mathematical probabilities of mutations as I posted above“
This is absolutely meaningless unless viewed in the prejudiced light of your world view.
You have not begun to address the coordinated mutations enigma that stops you in your tracks.
Again according to you, any desired outcome is possible with the impossible crazy luck that you depend on, you are whacked out on fantasy I’m afraid
And still you won't answer our questions.
Your evasion simply demonstrates quite how dim-witted you appear to be.
Lets try again,
Can you demonstrate or evidence any proof of supernatural phenomena?
What is the probability of anything happening via supernatural phenomena, specifically evolution?
In the event of the supernatural causing absolutely anything, Can you describe the mechanism for how this happens?
Can you tell us the methodology used to prove your claim?
Read the Bible, research life after death accounts, use your logic, if you have any, that something can’t come from nothing in the 4 dimensional world you are a prisoner of.
I’ll take my logic over your lucky mutations religion hands down
PS, I want some coordinated mutations to make me able to fly and look like either Spider-Man or Bill Gates Wacky!!!!
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Ahem!
The bible is vapid nonsense, and life after death accounts of what exactly? This is your claim, so you do the research and demonstrate the evidence.
"I’ll take my logic over your lucky mutations religion hands down"
You've offered no logic, and evolution still doesn't involve luck, no matter how often you repeat the lie.
"I want some coordinated mutations to make me able to fly and look like either Spider-Man or Bill Gates Wacky!!!!"
Then pray for them, since you believe a deity can do magic tricks and answers prayers.
Now, please tell us how old you believe the universe to be, and how old you believe the earth to be? Are you avoiding this question for any particular reason? I think we can all see why tbh...
Your logic? You've literally committed the fallacy of shifting the burden of proof.
Once more.
Can you demonstrate or evidence any proof of supernatural phenomena?
What is the probability of anything happening via supernatural phenomena, specifically evolution?
In the event of the supernatural causing absolutely anything, Can you describe the mechanism for how this happens?
Can you tell us the methodology used to prove your claim?
“You've offered no logic, and evolution still doesn't involve luck, no matter how often you repeat the lie.“
That’s the biggest whopper I’ve heard in quite some time.
It’s all luck and you are a damn liar if I say so myself, what a crock of Shite you just uttered
Shame on Sheldon, educate yourself w honest facts EVOLUTION = LUCK!!!!!
You've offered no logic, and evolution still doesn't involve luck, no matter how often you repeat the lie. I'm happy to let others decide who is the liar here.
Now, how old are the universe and the earth
Stop avoiding.
Can you demonstrate or evidence any proof of supernatural phenomena?
What is the probability of anything happening via supernatural phenomena, specifically evolution?
In the event of the supernatural causing absolutely anything, Can you describe the mechanism for how this happens?
Can you tell us the methodology used to prove your claim?
Blind watch, read testimony of hundreds who have had NDE’s, you’ll discover that the spirit/ mind is separate from the brain, and did you know that Sheldon is a biblical scholar and claims that the Bible is bunk? Even w prophecies that proved true
And Evolution absolutely is luck if you believe it can alter body parts
"Blind watch, read testimony of hundreds who have had NDE’s, you’ll discover that the spirit/ mind is separate from the brain"
Hahahahahahahahahaha...
And this occurs by magic no doubt. Or Is this to be another of your "we can't fully explain it, so goddidit" argument from ignorance fallacies.
Now that's hilarious, not to mention rank hypocrisy after all your lies about evolution requiring magic to explain it.
How old is the universe and the earth? How old is the universe and the earth? How old is the universe and the earth? How old is the universe and the earth? How old is the universe and the earth? How old is the universe and the earth?
Dodging the qiestion again tut tut.
Don’t know how old the universe is but you show what a dumb fool you are by
- condemning the Bible
- condemning testimony of thousands including Dr Eben Alaxander
- and the whopper that evolution is not luck
You have struck out miserably
The bible axiomatically contains errant nonsense like 6 day creation, humans magic'd into existence instantly from clay, magic apples and talking snakes etc, but more importantly it contains immoral and repugnant bigotry, and barbaric teachings like stoning children to death. Much of it should be condemned.
Evolution does not involved luck, mutations are random, whereas natural selection is not, and again this will remain a fact no matter how many times you repeat your lie.
Do you accept the universe is 13.772 billion years old, and do you accept the earth is 4.543 billion years old? No more pathetic evasion now, even though you are a creationist, and dishonest evasion is therefore second nature to you.
For instance you have not answered my question on your risible superstitious guff about so called near death experiences, are you claiming they occur through supernatural magic, or Is this to be another of your "we can't fully explain it, so goddidit" argument from ignorance fallacies?
Your evasion is as pathetic as your risible guff about scientific facts, and your creationist verbiage that you not only can demonstrate no evidence for, but don;t even pretend to answer anymore when someone asks you demonstrate objective evidence to support it.
Arakish is right, you really are a teenage boy aren't you, it's becoming more and more obvious.
As Sheldon pointed out, evolution is randomness ran through a filter so to say. If you want to call that "lucky", that is your prerogative I suppose, but that isn't what I'd guess most of us would call lucky.
Just like his verbiage about DNA being a code, he has latched onto a piece of apologetics he doesn't understand, and is trying to parrot it here, in the mistaken belief he had stumbled on a compelling argument. He simply can't accept that his arguments are fallacious nonsense we have all seen before many times.
DNA is not a code, and evolution doesn't involve luck. These are human concepts, just a way we have of perceiving things. It's exactly like apologists who point at scientific laws and insist "a law must have a law giver". It's clear they don't understand what scientific laws are at all. Just as this boy doesn't understand what DNA is, or anything about evolution.
Number of people persuaded by J N Vanderbilt III's arguments = 0.
@ J N Vanderbilt III
Have a look at these two websites.
http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/
http://bibviz.com/
These were created by FORMER Religious Absolutists and know the Bible better than you do.
rmfr
Dna is a code, it’s called that for a reason, if you’d accept that, your evo fantasy world would collapse, as if it hasn’t already.
What Sheldon doesn’t agree w or understand he calls “superstitious guff “, like a true 13 yr old
So like I said NS is nothing w out the luck of mutations, multiple ones that can produce an owls face, impossible give a billion yrs time
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