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@Sheldon
Why are you are so fearful of the possibility of a Creator?
Great Hope, why do you think making up lies about what people think and believe is a valid argument? I no more fear your vapid fiction than you fear unicorns.
@Sheldon
Because the fear is in all of us. Especially me. You would not have the fuel it takes, to have gone as far as you have with all this God stuff, if it weren't for your fear. I'm just trying to show you a bit of the delusion it creates to cope with the reality. Spite can feel so good and god like. You are the guy who has smarted himself out of "The Possibilities." Because the Creator won't do it Sheldon's way lol.
Another lie, you can demonstrate no evidence that your deity is possible, so I don't need to know if it is impossible, and this is the simplest level of epistemology or rational reasoning imaginable. I don't believe your deity is any more real than Zeus or Apollo, and no spite or fear is involved in that lack of belief, just your inability to demonstrate a single shred of tangible objective evidence.
Again I find the sneering condescending way you preach at me quite nauseating. Atheism isn't a claim or a belief, only you are the one making claims, I simply don't believe them. You have no esoteric knowledge here GH, just an unevidenced belief that is the very definition of a delusion. So please stop pretending you know something others do not, until you can evidence it that is.
Again stop making up lies about how I feel or what I think. I am more than capable of saying how I feel and what I think without any prompting from you.
I have been saying that since these dweebs arrived. Hope butt, Rat nuts, Jazzy Beeatch, Alise, and that Green thing that I can;t recall the name. We should have an atheist hell on the site, A forum where we just send all the presuppositional idiots and let them argue there way out. We just keep them all together so we can pop in an laugh at them now and again.
GreatHope: "All you have to do is let go."
Let go of what?
rmfr
GreatHope: "All you have to do is let go."
Let go of what?
Facts, evidence, science, logic, reason, philosophical epistemology, any pretence that our perception of reality requires objective evidence etc etc. GH seems to think this achieves something tangible. Of all the people on here I fear he is least likely to be reasoned with. He seems relatively harmless compared some others, but he is blinkered and closed minded as they come.
@Sheldon
"but he is blinkered and closed minded as they come."
Ditto
@Sheldon "but he is blinkered and closed minded as they come."
Great hope "Ditto"
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I'm glad you agree with me, that you are as blinkered and closed minded as they come, I was expecting you to not even acknowledge the post.
@Sheldon
It's obvious that your brain will never let your heart feel God, unless it's in a library, within a planetarium, within a museum, within a lab, within a scientific campus of havard, whithin a simulation, within a simulation, where the perfect document exists, with the exact formula, that will call out God to do as we wish, fulfilling all of our expectations, and all of this excessive work, so you can study God long enough to find out,,,,,,,,,, that you still don't want to know Him. Lol good luck bro
More stupid assertions with no facts at all.
It's obvious you have zero evidence for your vapid superstition. The rest is just another string of dishonest lies you have made up again telling me what I think. Again, why do you think making up lies is a compelling argument?
It's impossible to know what does not exist, so until you can offer a shred of tangible evidence your claim is asinine nonsense. Why do you "not want to know" mermaids?
@arakish
Everything.
Eerything in you that's blocking you from believing. You'll know exactly what it is when\if you ever get the courage to do it. We are going to lose everything anyways. None of this is ours. So just have fun with it. After some time in hindsight. You'll find out how simple it really was. Belief is the key to your choice. And the doorway to miracles. "I once was blind, but now I see." You can do it all at once like I did, or take your time with it. It's your journey. If it's in your heart to want something of this magnitude? You'll be willing to give it everything you've got without expectation ; )
@GH
Eric says exactly the same about you. He says he has visited you three times in the last few hours and you have refused to acknowledge him. He thinks it is very rude of you. You should open your eyes, and your nostrils to his magical presence, and smells. Then we can join together in feeding him the sacred marshmallows and jelly frogs he loves. That is your problem GH, you will not open your mind and heart to Eric. Do you think he is not hurt by your rejection? He will probably give my toes a good stamping and my subservient buttocks a nip because of your intransigence. *sigh* ah well, when you come to the elf at the end of rainbow and are refused admittance to the pink stable, it will only be you to blame. I am so happy tending my garage, mucking out and polishing his horn, you should be and would be if you only gave up your pride .
Blessings on you GH, join Eric and us in happiness and contentment.
@Old Man Eric sermon
One word: AWESOME!..... LMAO...
Oh my, that was a wonderful read! lol!
My best wishes to you and Eric over the festive period.
Mind the brussel sprouts though!!!!!!
Great hope'
@arakish
Yea you are just blocking the glory of Jesus in your heart. If you were not so frigging closed minded you would open your mind and heart to Dipshit;s god.
BELIEF IS THE KEY TO YOUR CHOICE. Just believe without evidence and you will weep joyous tears for the glory of God.
WHY IN THE FK ARE THESE MORONS ON THE SITE STILL> TROLLS TROLLS AND MORE TROLLS. There are no discussions, just presuppositional nonsense.
Your beliefs are nothing but "hide and seek". Your answers are hide and seek, and your god is the grand master of hide and seek, it will not reveal itself to all because ..
It does not exist.
@all the above
Ok you got me. I'm sold. I'll become an athiest now. Let's hope you're right. And nothing was missed.
Welcome to being an atheist, where you are freed from all the lies.
Where you learn to make the best decision for yourself without a bunch of old men telling you how you should think. No more wasting time at church. No more expecting an unevidenced god to fix everything for you, but instead fixing things for yourself.
If you take this seriously and truly go the atheist route you will likely find that now that you take your own responsibility for stuff, the outcomes are better. You may become a better car driver, instead of "god has the wheel" you do, and you know how to avoid accidents. You will find countless examples like this, and you will find you will likely become more succesful in most every area of your life, especially professionally. Instead of praying for that promotion or assuming a "god" will make it happen, you take matters into your own hands and figure out how to get that promotion yourself, or how to find a better job yourself.
Instead of getting conned out of your money, you will learn to spot them a mile away. Your ability to spot a liar also greatly increased, did what they say make sense emotionally, okay sure, but what did they say and offer make sense logically? Do they have real evidence to back their assertions? Nope? Then yep then time to work with someone else.
The list goes on and on, so many advantages to being atheist. Just like right now, I have solid reasoning to suspect you were not being ernest in your claim to be atheist, feel free to prove me wrong though.
What utter sententious hogwash, another string of vapid claims without the pretence of acknowledging they need to be evidenced. As I said you're as closed minded as they come, it's also clear you don't even know what open minded means.
@ Great Hope
Sorry, for the late reply. Had to mind the store during Christmas and have been busy in other threads.
Which is in response to...
Which in turn was in response to this post, first eight words.
I partucularly feel that Sheldon got it absolutely correct in his response to my question of "Let go of what?"
Sheldon: "Facts, evidence, science, logic, reason, philosophical epistemology, any pretence that our perception of reality requires objective evidence etc etc. GH seems to think this achieves something tangible. Of all the people on here I fear he is least likely to be reasoned with. He seems relatively harmless compared some others, but he is blinkered and closed minded as they come."
Thus, your response of "letting go" of everything includes purposefully retarding my mental capabilities of critical thinking, logical and deductive reasoning, and rational and analytical thought? No thank you. I do not believe in faerie tales of which ALL religion is. I much prefer the true truth of reality over the fantasy of unsubstantiated claims of any religion.
Onus probandi incumbit ei qui dicit non ei qui negat.
Now a direct demolition of your response. This ain't going to be pretty. So prepare yourself.
Nothing blocks me from believing in anything. I believe in many things. The difference between my beliefs and yours is that my beliefs are backed by irrefutable objective hard empirical evidence whereas your believes are based on faerie tales. And the most horrific ones at that. Remember, I also call your holy book the most horrifying and terrifying anthology of frightful stories to rival the best anthology of Tales From the Crypt. Hell, HP Lovecraft, Edgar Allan Poe, Stephen King, Clive Barker have never written a horror story to compare to that obsolete, irrelevant, barbaric, savage, offensive, and unsubstantiated, immoral Bronze and Iron Age religious text about an imaginative Sky Faerie and Magic Lich Virgin. If you do not believe me, then read all of the verses listed on this web page. Your deity is the most horrifying monster to ever haunt all of humanity since the Earth first accreted.
I have more courage than you shall ever possess my little craven recreant. And if you think I do not have any courage, then read the essays in this section of my web site: Soul Shatter Essays. I have been an atheist since the day I was born, OVER 57 years ago. I needed NO deity to get me through that event. All I needed was knowledge.
Scientists/Atheists read many books and feel they still have a lot to learn.
Religious Absolutists barely read one book and feel they know everything.
No shit. How long did it take you figure that out? Oh. Wait. You are a Religious Absolutist. You believe you are getting everything back. BULLSHIT! And a huge of horse hoowhee to boot.
It is as long as I am alive. Just come and try take from me. The results won't be pretty...
I am. As long as I am alive.
WTF? What does hindsight have to do with the bullshit your spew from your lips?
Yep. Already have. You are born. You eat. You deficate. You die. Can't get any simpler.
Not unless it has irrefutable objective hard empirical evidence to back it up. Otherwise, The Nine Razors:
Miracles do not exist. Not one has ever been substantiated.
Actually you are still blind. You still do not see reality.
Doing what? Masturbating?
Yep. And I am going to enjoy it as I desire.
What blood?
Already am.
rmfr
@LogicFTW
I already have all that. Religion stinks, I have always made my own damned mind up, I've always had money and never minded giving it to helping causes, and I'm going to die with the greatest of Hope and Love for hundreds, if not thousands of real life people. I literally have nothing to lose by believing. But, I have found the everything that an athiest is lacking. I just thought I'd come and share it with y'all, seeing how I was the worst case the world has probably ever seen. I just wanted to let you know that it's possible for you too. If you wanted to look at the one thing that you are not doing?
All I'm saying is that if someone wants to know if something created this? Then they would follow the order it was designed. Never letting anything stop the persuit. Because there is a lot to not like about it, doesn't mean there is a solid answer to either belief or lack of belief. Death will be the tell all. It is far greater to live like there is a Creator and die to find out there isn't one. Then to live like there is not, only to die, and find out there is. Logic favors the greater. Don't miss it all because some roughneck hillbilly couldn't completely define The Spirit of God, and\or God forcing Himself on you. There will be a day for that later. Our time is so very short. Remember, this is not my message, nor did I come here for me. So let the hive mind, mob mentality, commence the ripping to shreds. I can't say I didn't ask for it by coming here lol. The only thing I gain from giving you my time, might only be a friend that I get to have adventures with in heaven. My hope for that is of the greatest.
Merry best time of the year everyone.
-GH
All I'm saying is that if someone wants to know if something created this? Then they would follow the order it was designed."
That's a meaningless vapid tautology that uses a begging the question fallacy. Calling everything designed doesn't evidence the claim it was created at all. You'd need to demonstrate some objective evidence for that, and it is perfectly clear by now that you have none.
GH "Death will be the tell all."
>No it won't Hitchens's razor applied.
GH "It is far greater to live like there is a Creator and die to find out there isn't one."
>No isn't - Hitchens's razor applied.
GH "Logic favors the greater."
>The greater what? what does that even mean?
GH " There will be a day for that later."
>No there won't - Hitchens's razor applied.
GH "So let the hive mind, mob mentality, commence the ripping to shreds."
>you've provided nothing that needs ripping to shreds, just your usual endless vapid claims.
You're offering nothing but the usual preaching proselytising, is it possible after all the times you have been told you don't realise how tedious and vapid such nonsense is to people who favour logic, reasons and objective evidence over emotional superstitions? The arrogant assumption you're better off than us because we don't share your delusion is risible.
@Sheldon
All theists have is their testimony, their experiences, their hopes. You guys have awesome debates. I can't come up with anything that will suit your fancy. I only want to know how you say that you don't believe that something created this when you look at the ocean, stars, mountains, and feel the sun, and so on, and so on? I know man has sure messed up a whole lot and religion probably turns more people away from God in counless ways, than it brings to God for real. But where did your wonder go? Do you remember being a kid and looking at the clouds and wondering in pure awe that this is actually here? Or did you come out of the womb worshipping the sceptic god? And I'm not presuming that I'm better than anyone. I would have never come here if that were the case. You're probably reading it that way because it's hittn close to home. It's ok to let it in for more than half of a second. I won't tell anyone.
I know theists only have blind belief, why you are telling me this is a mystery. Asking for objective evidence is not my fancy, anything else is makes the belief meaningless, as one could literally believe anything.
" I only want to know how you say that you don't believe that something created this when you look at the ocean, stars, mountains, and feel the sun, and so on, and so on? "
Haven't I told you enough times that I don't believe things for which no objective evidence can be demonstrated? So why would you ask me this? How do any of those things objectively evidence creationism? Your problem GH is you don't listen at all, you say we have awesome debates, but just roll on and on and one with the same claims over and over again. I haven't lost my wonder, I just don't believe in archaic vapid superstitions because they are not supported by any evidence. So why must you constantly misrepresent me in this way?
"And I'm not presuming that I'm better than anyone."
You fucking well are matey, you did it there again, what was that bilge about me losing my wonder, and awe, or that asinine comment implying I came out of the womb sceptical as if this is somehow a bad thing? Why can't you see that having no critical thinking ability at all, makes you gullible?
"You're probably reading it that way because it's hittn close to home."
You don't half talk a load of condescending crap, does it really sound to you like your vapid nonsense is in any way compelling to me? If it does then you must be insane.
"It's ok to let it in for more than half of a second. I won't tell anyone."
There is nothing to let in, all you're doing is piling on condescending sententious preaching, and endless unevidenced claims. You have have offered nothing tangible since you have been here as far as I can see, not one single sentence that justifies any debate. You don't get it, but that's ok, what you need is a pulpit, not a debate forum. Sadly I don't see any sign you will ever grasp what all this means.
@Sheldon
" or that asinine comment implying I came out of the womb sceptical as if this is somehow a bad thing?"
I never said that would be a bad thing. I was genuinely asking if you ever had any wonder?
@great hope
You are not even implying, you are stating that because we are not theists like you, something is missing, something is lesser in us. That is exceptionally insulting. I will not stoop to your level in the gutter, but I will state that my life is full of love and wonder of this world.
Two quotes from Richard Feynman. And if you do not know who he is, you are awash in a sea of ignorance.
Albert Einstein Award (1954)
E. O. Lawrence Award (1962)
Nobel Prize in Physics (1965)
Foreign Member of the Royal Society (1965)
Oersted Medal (1972)
National Medal of Science (1979)
"If we suppress all discussion, all criticism, proclaiming "This is the answer, my friends; man is saved!" we will doom humanity for a long time to the chains of authority, confined to the limits of our present imagination. It has been done so many times before."
“I have a friend who's an artist and has sometimes taken a view which I don't agree with very well. He'll hold up a flower and say "look how beautiful it is," and I'll agree. Then he says "I as an artist can see how beautiful this is but you as a scientist take this all apart and it becomes a dull thing," and I think that he's kind of nutty. First of all, the beauty that he sees is available to other people and to me too, I believe. Although I may not be quite as refined aesthetically as he is ... I can appreciate the beauty of a flower. At the same time, I see much more about the flower than he sees. I could imagine the cells in there, the complicated actions inside, which also have a beauty. I mean it's not just beauty at this dimension, at one centimeter; there's also beauty at smaller dimensions, the inner structure, also the processes. The fact that the colors in the flower evolved in order to attract insects to pollinate it is interesting; it means that insects can see the color. It adds a question: does this aesthetic sense also exist in the lower forms? Why is it aesthetic? All kinds of interesting questions which the science knowledge only adds to the excitement, the mystery and the awe of a flower. It only adds. I don't understand how it subtracts.”
Excellent post. I too find it extremely condescending when theists insist their lives are somehow better or richer than mine because I don't share their superstitious beliefs, as of course GH keeps doing.
That is an excellent description of Pascal's Wager.
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