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@Meepwned
I don't know if anyone can fully understand it. You just do it. Its different for everyone. I don't know what it will look like for you. But I tested my spirit by what I truly wanted. It took decades of searching for all sorts of worldly stuff before I was cleaned out. To find out that God is all I ever wanted. I was just too fearful of it being true. But my fears were dissolved when I made the jump to fully surrender and God actually caught me and gave me wings. Don't overcomplicate it too much. You probably already know what to do. Don't be afraid to give it a go. Challenges are fun, and you can't out give God lol.
I think it's rude and lazy to open a thread with a video link and nothing else. By all means post the link, but also tell us why you posted it and what your thoughts are. If you can't do that, I would respectfully suggest that you fuck off.
Efficiency is often mistaken for laziness. There were just 2 simple questions in the op, I didn't have anything much to say that the video wouldn't cover. I've been asked for brevity in my op's. I get dinged for too much and I get dinged for too little. Lol maybe mama bear will help me get the temperature of the porridge just right next time.
* Tear drop falling from the corner of my eye. * It was dust. Man the fk up,. Your video was responded to and every point legitimately debunked. Of all the people around here that might need a mommy bear, you got my vote.
@Great hope
"Efficiency is often mistaken for laziness. There were just 2 simple questions in the op, I didn't have anything much to say that the video wouldn't cover. I've been asked for brevity in my op's. I get dinged for too much and I get dinged for too little. Lol maybe mama bear will help me get the temperature of the porridge just right next time."
You are welcome to come in here and debate. But we desire to understand YOUR position, not just a repeat on Ray Comfort or some other nut job. So when you start an OP, don't just ask us to read a book or watch a video (which most of us have probably seen) but lay out your argument. Explain in YOUR own words what you believe and why.
Secondly, any argument or thesis can be explained in a few short sentences. Nothing in the real world requires convoluted and lengthy mental gymnastics to explain. In another post we debated what "nothing" was. This is an extremely difficult topic to comprehend, yet it can be laid out in a short paragraph.
Look backup this post. I explained two different things in two short paragraphs. If you believe that you require a huge and long post to explain something, then you should really re-think your argument and why it cannot summed up into a compact package.
You don't know what it is, yet you expect me to believe in it? How can I distinguish between it and other things without a clear definition?
Spirit does not equal belief. It clearly gets used in instances where the word belief does not fit. It's also not conconsciousness for the same reason. What the hell is it?
@Meepwned
You know it is is. You just don't want to explore it, like I once was. It's the inward universe of the mind, the heart of the soul (not the biological one that pumps blood) those gut instincts, the chills you get in your spine, the stuff that makes your knees weak, arms heavy, tears that can not be held back with all the strength you have, it's what makes the soul stir up, the fire inside, the convictions, the humbleness, the proverbial" walls", it's the non physical make up of what makes you, You. No need to over-complicate it. Everyone knows what this is. That's why it'll be different for everybody. A left brain mentality alone is it odds with this because it cannot analyzed the way it wants. And it's comfortable to stay safe and comfortable with only 1 extreme. But they can come together as a complete package of both sides of the extremes of what makes you, You. If it were easy, everyone would do it. It's challenging because of the rewards it produces. Have fun with it. It's not as scary as you think. And it's fun to test with everything we've been given. Why put limits on what were capable of.
@Great hope
"And it's fun to test with everything we've been given. Why put limits on what were capable of."
It would be advantageous to all if we could move past the stalemate you have imposed. Most atheists are making a very simple request, to provide proof. Your continual response is "because I get the tinglies".
A conversation should not be ... I believe in this ... Why? ... god
GREAT HOPE: "So to call him a "dumb ass retard" is perspective/"
Seriously? HAVE YOU READ THE BIBLE? You do understand that the God of the old Testament and Jesus are the same deity. Right? If not, it really does not matter. Urban Dictionary, Definition of a Dumb Ass.
Now that you fell for that one..... God is a fucking dumb-ass!
He creates beings that are full of faults so he has to kill them all off.
e is all powerful but can not think of any way to convince the Pharaoh to release the Jews without massive plagues and killing every first born child. And when he saves some of them, what does he have them do? Kill sheep and mark their doors with blood. FUCK YOUR GOD.
God thinks the best way to communicate to humanity is in an old book that can be interpreted a million frigging ways. HE IS A DUMB-ASS.
God takes his most loyal servant and instead of protecting him, allows Satan to torture him in the most horrible ways imaginable (ON A FRIGGING BET). No friend would ever treat someone the way god treats his friends. GOD IS A DUMB-ASS.
The bible is a book of God's failures. It highlights failure after failure, after failure. What kind of a God tells soldiers to rip open pregnant women's stomachs and toss their unborn babies onto rocks while laughing? GOE IS A DUMB-ASS.
I CAN LITERALLY GO ON ALL NIGHT LONG. VERSE AFTER VERSE AND CHAPTER AFTER CHAPTER OF THE DUMB-ASS THINGS YOUR GOD DOES. NOTHING HE DOES COMES OUT RIGHT.
He runs about pretending that he is the unchanging alpha and omega and then the moron has to kill himself as his own son to change his mind. HE IS A DUMB-ASS.
God is a complete dumb-ass according to your own bible. And if you are Muslim Allah is even dumber.
We have 5 too many of these dweebs on the site. Assertion, assertion. assertion.... No discussion. No facts. No logic. Just BS assertions and no interest at all in exploring them or their validity. Just keep making them over and over and over.
So, spirit is emotions and instinct? How would that be useful in finding an, objectively, unevidenced being?
What are the steps to verify that I am doing it right? What will the end result look like? Which specific deity should I look for?
@Meepwned
Just step out of your familiarity. And if it's in your heart to know The Creator and Giver of Life? It will find you. God's not lost. We are lol
I do wish I had more time to answer everyone. Like I've said before, i must always select levels of importance. I voice type for speed and some of my posts have many typos that I find out usually a day later and sentence structure is poor. Thank you all for bearing with me and giving me your time with honest replies. I can't imagine all the stuff you might have dealt with over the years in these forums. I would so much like to go through all the threads of the past 8 years. That would be awesome. I would give anything to sit down with a nice glass of Chianti and some fava beans and really write some good stuff. But, it seems to not be in the cards for this season of my life yet. I jot stuff down as it comes to me here and there, maybe one day I'll be able to compile and rewrite. This has been quite a journey from when I started talking to athiests on YouTube comments. I can see your views much more clearly. I'll just sum up how I see it.
I get it. This world and and inward universe of each individual is insanely too much to take. So most of us are giving it our best at any given time. Given current status of growth and understanding. We might be holding 6 or 7 pieces of a quadrillion piece puzzle. So this is what it looks like to me.
My mind- God is ridiculous
Me - ya but maybe you aren't seeing it completely
My mind- I don't understand how or why God does things.
Me - well did you speak yourself into existence? Did you ask to be created? Maybe we should keep trying to understand.
My mind- I don't like God
Me - join the club. But don't quit seeking.
My mind- it is possible that God doesn't exist
Me - ya, but He might exist? I think it's worth a lifelong persuit. Seeing how it doesn't matter if he doesn't exist. But it does matter if He does.
My mind-but you would be wasing your precious time of life.
Me - well for heaven's sake, what else are you going to do? Where you gonna run to boy? Do you think seeking The Creator would stop you from doing anything else that your heart truely wants to do? No. Literally nothing to lose then.
My mind- it's complicated
Me- only as complicated as you make it
My mind- ...
Me- Exactly, let's persue
My mind- but how
Me- call Him out, then listen, then follow.
My mind- death is going to happen either way.
Me - exactly the reason to give it everything we've got.
My mind- when do we start?
Me- now, in everyway, for always!
My mind- oh awwwwllll riiight.... Ugh
@Great hope
Why theists believe humans should seek out a god that is all-powerful and knows that we exist, rather than wait for god to seek us out, is a complete mystery to me.
Unsatisfactory answers. I cannot, in good conscience, fully utilize something I do not understand. I also will not believe in it if it can't be coherently defined.
All you've said is to believe and listen to your emotions. I can do neither, because I recognize the dangers it would expose me to. I would be more susceptible to every con imagined. I would more easily believe lies. I would be putting aside rational thought and instead trusting my subjective emotions.
I cannot trust my emotions any more than I can trust yours. Emotions and feeling good do not lead me to the truth. It only keeps me ignorant and set in my ways. I value learning, challenging my own beliefs, and critically examining everyone else's.
I truly wish to understand, to know, but nobody has been able to sufficiently evidence anything supernatural. My belief in something is proportional to the evidence.
@Meepwned
Yep that would be an expectation not met. I figured that's where you were going to go with it. It's much more than "emotions" you probably already know this though.
@saporro
I'm at work right now. I'll get back on that one. But basically in heaven we will no longer have the temptation to go away from God to do what we wamt, no matter the consequences. We will not have the temptation, we will have the knowledge and experience of what it's causes and what it costs. God does speak to our hearts but we don't want Him. That is unless you've searched the reaches of this world and only to find it empty and meaningless and fleeting. To eventually come to the conclusion that going our own way is unsatisfactory. Producing a going back to God who has been waiting the whole time
@ Great Hope
Holy fark....the Farce is strong in this one....
Any chance you can demonstrate any evidence at all for any that woo woo?
@ old man shouts
Hahahahahaahh you never cease to crack me up. Please tell me you came up with that one?
@ GH
Old comedy writers trick.....steal it!
But seriously, you do post some drivel, really....you should orate some of the stuff you post, like that piece, read it aloud to yourself in front of a mirror...if you don't end up cracking with laughter then there is something seriously wrong with you.
It is the very essence of woo woo with a dash of unsubstantiated wishful thinking, and a cherry on top.
Have a very happy Mithras' day...
@Great hope You constantly assert that you know what I know, even when I really don't know it. Can you read minds? Can you provide objective evidence that I know it?
I do not know if it is more than emotions or emotions at all because I have not been supplied a coherent definition.
@Meepwned
I know because I used to be baffled by it too. It's the experience you gain from making the jump to believe and put action behind it, even though at first it seems like you're wandering around in pitch black darkness of doubt. But just like when you look up at the night sky. Our eyes always go to the light. I can tell that you know what to do, because we all do. We just don't want to do it. We would rather enjoy an expectation not met. That's way easier and spite can seem like a blanket of comfort. Lord knows I was the king of spite. So I can recognize it a million miles away.
Nonsense, you've gained no esoteric knowledge here, that is axiomatic. all you are doing is piling assumptions and ignoring all requests to evidence them. It's tedious to see you roll on and on with claim after claim in this condescending manner, when you clearly haven't even a tenuous grasp of what it takes to objectively validate a claim or belief.
Basically you like the sound of this vapid nonsense, and have convinced yourself it's true with even a pretence of evidencing any of it.
"just like when you look up at the night sky. Our eyes always go to the light."
What a load of unadulterated nonsense, that's truly risible. Our eyes evolved to see things in daylight, so why one earth would we focus on things we cannot see? My disbelief in any deity has nothing to do with your bizarre perception of it, I don't believe claims or beliefs for which no objective evidence can be demonstrated.
Sheldon: I still have no idea how you keep hanging in there with these presuppositional idiots. They are just beyond my time and effort. And we have had such a flood of them lately, I suspect they all attend the same church and have just decided to troll the site with their superstitious nonsense. (You are just afraid to know god. He is the Prime mover. Bla bla bla bla,,,,,, ) Nothing but Trolls.
I post infrequently in response to their endless assumptions, but mainly I look for something that peaks my interest. You do make a valid point of course. I don't low that GH is a troll, he seems more closed minded. That creationist in the has nature ever created a code thread though, trolltacular.
@ old man shouts
I know it sounds hopeful. But a lot of the world needs hope. Almost everyone I know needs this hope. And who knows. It just might turn out to be true. Time will tell. Remember if God is the reality, then everything I've said makes perfect sense. I will never stop testing everything about life and death, living in the possibilities, and remaining hopeful for the greatest of things. God's plan is simple, don't over think it. My hope for y'all is of the greatest.
Merry Christmas old man, give Eric a kiss and a sugar coated prune for me.
Merry Christmas everyone. It really is the best time of year. And I've already been drinking way too much eggnog *chubby chuckles* : )
@ GH
Pascals fucking wager, sugar coated.
Eric fucking loathes dates, sugar coated, chilli coated or in a condom, fucking hates them.
If I tried to kiss Eric I would be flattened against the wall and probably trampled, that is a simple plan for ending a life early! What kind of stupidity made you think of that? Are you truly mad? Everyone knows that if you kiss a Unicorn (especially in mid fart) you will either be trampled to death or turned into a rainbow sprite and live on the edge of time forever. Is is worth taking that bet? .
You have a very very Merry Mithras' day and remember the origins of your folly.
"I know it sounds hopeful. But a lot of the world needs hope. Almost everyone I know needs this hope. And who knows. It just might turn out to be true."
Hope need not be based on delusion, and that last sentence is priceless, it says it all really.
"God's plan is simple, don't over think it. "
Again the irony of that sentence is palpable.
All you have to do is let go. Try to imagine how that would look in your life. For my life it took flirting with death. Maybe for you, it can be more simple? But who knows? It might be everything you've been looking for, like it ended up being for me.
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