Richard Dawkins says maybe it is better if AGI replaces humans!
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Evasive again, I asked does any of the hypothesis that you have presented from AGI, Supersymmetry model and to your new belief of no belief have any peer reviewed papers to support it?!
Is any of it based on anything other then unsubstantiated hypothesis?
Evasive again, I asked does any of the hypothesis that you have presented from AGI, Supersymmetry model and to your new belief of no belief have any peer reviewed papers to support it?!
Is any of it based on anything other then unsubstantiated hypothesis?
1.) As an example, that flat earthers exist, (i.e. believers in flat earth) does not invalidate gravitational theory.
2.) Thereafter belief is irrelevant.
So will you stop believing such scientific facts?
You never answered this, just posted some irrelevant straw man about flat earthers?
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"1.) As an example, that flat earthers exist, (i.e. believers in flat earth) does not invalidate gravitational theory."
So do you believe gravitational theory is true?
I detect that my prior response is sufficient.
I detect evasion. Even the article you have linked shows you haven't a proper understanding of belief formation and it's consequences for how humans use this cognitive ability for every action they take.
1.) On the contrary, it is demonstrable that you stopped at the introduction.
2.) Reading further, one may trivially find evidence that contrasts your silly opinions, while supporting my initial expressions.
1.) On the contrary, it is demonstrable that you stopped at the introduction.
2.) Reading further, one may trivially find evidence that contrasts your silly opinions, while supporting my initial expressions.
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1) That's not from the introduction, so well done genius.
2) No you can't, and I challenge you to quote anything from it that claims it is practical, let alone desirable to expunge the human ability to form beliefs.
Off you go Bullwinkle.....I'm sure we're all agog waiting for this one given you cited the article in the first place. Go on show something from it supporting your claim that it is practical, let alone desirable to expunge the human ability to form beliefs.
From the article you linked:
"“Every action that we take is grounded in an elaborate web of beliefs and goals. Take the simple act of opening a door. Such an act depends on our beliefs about what lies beyond the door, as well as what is available to us in our current location. At an even more basic level, our attempt to open the door is rooted in a belief that we understand how a door works, and are capable of using it. Furthermore, without the goal of pursuing something beyond the door, the act of opening the door would probably not take place.”"
>>>Now from your web page:
"INTRODUCTION
If you had discarded belief's false necessitation , you probably no longer have many worthless/sub-optimal attachments.......Pertinently , the mind of the non believer is a mind with no beliefs !"
It doesn't quite add up does it?
I shall further highlight a particular word, in toddler like fashion:
1.) How embarrasing for you. You are demonstrably confusing those expressions.
2.) That the concept of belief is *generally* science opposing, does not suddenly warrant that all beliefs oppose science.
3.) You ignored the usage of the word "generally", which indicates that belief may encompass both evidence, and non evidence; thus I had not ignored that belief may concern science.
In fact, I mention this on my website.
Oh dear!
Too many lies and repeated lies from you now to make it worthwhile trying to have an honest discussion. BlindWatchmaker and several others were correct you're not worth bothering with. In the meantime here's your own link you cited in your last few posts in the bizarrely stupid pretext it supports your nonsensical ideas:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4327528/
I suggest you actually read it instead of simply linking it and hoping others won't. Here's a snippet for you...
"“Every action that we take is grounded in an elaborate web of beliefs and goals. Take the simple act of opening a door. Such an act depends on our beliefs about what lies beyond the door, as well as what is available to us in our current location. At an even more basic level, our attempt to open the door is rooted in a belief that we understand how a door works, and are capable of using it. Furthermore, without the goal of pursuing something beyond the door, the act of opening the door would probably not take place.”
1.) How typical of the believer (I am referring to you). He or she identifies something that may align with his/her opinion, and stops there, not searching for opposing evidence.
2.) Wrt to those introductory descriptions you cited, article also went on to say:
3.) Beyond the above, the article went on to say:
4.) Advice: You ought to read beyond the introduction!
"1.) How typical of the believer (I am referring to you). He or she identifies something that may align with his/her opinion, and stops there, not searching for opposing evidence."
It was you (not me) who cited it as supporting your beliefs you clown. You are a believer, all humans are, that's what the article you linked is saying. You linked the article which utterly refutes your bullshit, all I did was cite this, I never claimed it supported any position I am taking, so that last part is hilarious given it was you who pasted the link claiming it supported your bullshit when it utterly refuted it, and it was you who had ignored this.
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2.) Wrt to those introductory descriptions you cited, article also went on to say:
Article said:
"There is, for example, no philosophical consensus on what belief is (McKay and Dennett, 2009) or even what constitutes a delusion (Spitzer, 1990; David, 1999; Coltheart, 2007)."
care to show a post of mine claiming otherwise? Or why this alters the other research that shows how essential beliefs are to our cognitive functions interacting with the world? This is priceless now.
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3.) Beyond the above, the article went on to say:....Advice: You ought to read beyond the introduction!"
Nothing I quoted was from the introduction you clown. Straw man again as well, as at no point have I said that beliefs have to be true, are you really this thick?
One last time as simply as it's possible to put it:
I ACCEPT THAT BELIEFS CAN BE BOTH PROPERLY AND IMPROPERLY EVIDENCED.
Why you keep lying about this is bizarre?
I had being referring to the "introductory descriptions" prior to the much later sections (which show that belief generally permits ignorance of evidence).
Prior to the use of the expression "introduction", I had used the term "introductory descriptions".
Other words may be used, since the word "introduction" is present in the article, and this has caused issues for you.
"You are demonstrably confusing those expressions. That the concept of belief is *generally* science opposing, does not suddenly warrant that all beliefs oppose science."
I never said all beliefs are science opposing what's more I have pointed out that this is a lie about half a dozen times now. Do you think endlessly repeating a lie about what I have said will lend your pretentious pseudoscientific bullshit some gravitas?
You ignored the usage of the word "generally", which indicates that belief may encompass both evidence, and non evidence; thus I had not ignored that belief may concern science."
No I haven't as I said last time you posted this lie. You're advocating humans entirely abandon the concept of belief, even though some beliefs are scientifically valid, because some of them are not scientifically valid, if you can't see how moronic that is then I feel a bit sorry for, even though you have been a deeply unpleasant prig from the start. Furthermore the way we form beliefs is an essential part of how our minds enable us to interact with the world, to entirely abandon beliefs would not be possible and remain humans. This is in the article you have linked several times, almost as if you either haven't read it, or haven't understood it.
Here's the link again...
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4327528/
1.) How typical of the believer (I am referring to you). He or she identifies something that may align with his/her opinion, and stops there, not searching for opposing evidence.
2.) Wrt to those introductory descriptions you cited, article also went on to say:
3.) Beyond the above, the article went on to say:
4.) Oh dear, does the embarrassment cease for you Sheldon?
5.) Advice: You ought to read beyond the introduction!
I detect no relevance in your posts, only a repetition of your earlier straw man arguments. Are you going to address the parts of the article that refute your idiotic assertion humans can or should abandon the concept of belief, or are you content to endlessly point out that beliefs can be based on improper evidence as if anyone has ever denied this or that it has any relevance?
Advice don't link articles from google searches until you have read them.
1.) Contrary to your claim, the article expresses as is underlined in "non-beliefism".
2.) An issue of yours: It is rather clear that you constrain belief to be merely evidenced based, particularly such that you falsely express that the concept of belief is supposedly not science opposing.
Bullwinkle said:
1.) Contrary to your claim, the article expresses as is underlined in "non-beliefism".
2.) An issue of yours: It is rather clear that you constrain belief to be merely evidenced based, particularly such that you falsely express that the concept of belief is supposedly not science opposing.
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So we can see from the vapid nonsense in your post that precisely as I said, you can't quote anything from the article you linked that claims it is practical, let alone desirable to expunge the human ability to form beliefs as you have claimed. All you can do is repeat your false claim about the article supporting your bilge, and use selection bias to quote mine the parts that support your straw man arguments that no has denied, whilst lying that i have not read past the introduction.
So again I ask, go on show something from it supporting your claim that it is practical, let alone desirable to expunge the human ability to form beliefs.
Tempus fugit....
Oh wow, more garbage that is unproven and unsubstantiated.
"Although admittedly underspecified and limited by the paucity of research, this non-recursive five stage approach to characterizing belief formation and acceptance has the merits of being relatively parsimonious in the preparation of a more comprehensive integration of findings from cognitive and neuropsychological studies. We suggest that a complete theory of belief will need to account for at least these five stages. We acknowledge, however, that there are a number of challenges to investigating belief and developing a more comprehensive theoretical model".
Another PGJ thought process that leans on something that is unproven and not a scientific fact.
What an absolute waste of time.
Yes, it is no surprise that the brain is not fully understood. Thus, I don't detect the relevance of your remark above.
He's delusional, utterly delusional. I am really thinking the Dunning Kruger effect now, it all fits. He's linking articles as scientific validation, when they roundly refute his claims, then accuses me of quote mining them ffs. Then because one small paragraph said there is currently no philosophical consensus on what beliefs actually are, he tried to claim this made my use of the rest biased, when again he was the one who linked the article not me. On top of which the bit he quoted hardly supports his bullshit idea all humans should somehow expunge the ability to form beliefs from their cognitive ability. Please note he has yet to suggest how we might even achieve this, or what it might mean given the article he linked states plainly that our cognitive ability to to form beliefs form an essential component of how we function in the real world.
If he has a degree I'm frankly stunned, what that says about the university that he attained it from can be nothing good. How can anyone spend 4 years in higher education and so completely lack the ability for any critical thinking.
PGJ: https://youtu.be/ss2hULhXf04
PGJ strikes again with another 'theory' of 'his' that is as scientifically proven as white holes.
1.) In toddler like words: Experiments (as cited prior) show that belief generally facilitates ignorance of evidence.
2.) As a quick hint: As cited by Sheldon, dictionary reflects what I had initially underlined, that belief generally facilitates ignorance of evidence.
3.) As another related hint, billions of people (i.e. theists) believe in nonsense.
Do you believe that is true?
Utter bollocks again by you!
The paper states it's not a comprehensive theoretical model, you dumb shit.
And another hint, is any paper you've cited peer reviewed?
Fraud!
"1.) In toddler like words: Experiments (as cited prior) show that belief generally facilitates ignorance if evidence."
That link is just to an earlier post, the link in that is to an article that utterly refutes your claims. The article also says plainly more than once BELIEFS CAN BE HELD WITH OR WITHOUT PROPER EVIDENCE.
"2.) As cited by Sheldon, dictionary reflects what I had initially underlined, that belief generally facilitates ignorance of evidence."
Beliefs can be both evidenced and unevidenced, seeemples. So what?
"3.) As another related hint, billions of people (i.e. theists) believe in nonsense."
As do you, quite clearly displayed in this and other threads.
ProgrammingGodJordan has the belief that he is infallible.
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