Hello all, Im goin to show you 2 ways to make a spiritual connection to God Himself. Well its you who "brings on the magic" so to speak. Its you who makes steps toward Him. The bible says that God sees you from afar , and runs to meet you. The same way a Father who son has left him and returns.
As some of you know who may have children, ,there is nothing they can do to stop your love for them. Its love that built the universe. Its all designed by a designer. The entirety of the entire universe and all of time itself was made for you. Its a love thats unfathomable that literally includes a story of God Himself being born as a man who brought life and healing to so many people,.. war with Rome against His followers, eventually everyone even rome itself stood with christianity sorta. Too many people saw him do too many things. Thats why there isnt one historian on earth that doubts Jesus lived. Even my old atheist liberal history instructors did not doubt. I have no idea how yall rectify that. They found a way tho.
Ok so here goes. Christians believe that a human is a spiritual being with a physical body. Thats why when some people die they claim to see their body and all manner of details in surrounding rooms and floors. You can tell me theyre full of it but u cant tell them. Tell the doctors who see it year after year and write their own books.
You yourself just leave the body somehow
Heres how to prove God. I would tell you all to try the first 'method ' because yall aint got the guts for the second . Well maybe.
1) The Spiritual text. A christian thinks God is up there or there , somewhere always watching. Where is He?
When a person prays to God he is just essentially choosing to comunicate. Its all in the choice. You chose to go there, you chose to wear that ,here you choose to speak because your voice is like an invite. Do it alone by yourself when no one is watching you. Why? Because a persons true character is how he is when know when is watching. We all see your act, the facade you put on with your family at your job. On this stage we act differently in every scene , but when we are by ourselves is who we are often. Of course prayer works in the open as well but being by yourself is a great initial step towards findind this supposed spuritual truth.
Tell God if your real, make Him prove it . Give him one honest minute. Whats that sound like? Go straight to 9:40
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8vj0qKthCgg
Its one minute of spuritual surrender.
Just try one honest minute . Get on your knees and bow your head. We are talking to a Living God. Just try it , 1 minute. He will text you back if you are earnest. You will know!!
2) The spiritual phone call. This 'method' will get you in direct connection on a more powerful scale.
Go to a church on Sunday that has an Alter Call! Go up to that alter in front of everyone , walk up to that alter and tell those folks in the front that are there for prayer what u need. U will feel that battle and leave changed! It says in Matthew 18:20 that when 2 or 3 gather in my name, I will be there.
Its hard to go up there.
But by you doing these works, you have ignited Faith.
You dont have to take my word for it
Take Him at His word
Make Him prove it.
Demand it and you will get your answer.
Every christian should know this and scripture confirms it.
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I used to be a Christian. I consider your claimed proof to be insulting.
Im sad you do. Ive been looking for the inside track to life for years. This is it. That and neblio at .40! Cmon moon! Cmon lambo!
I think people leave here because it just too much fun volleying for them. I havent read a bible in years. Whenervr i do , i do feel more wisdom so to speak. But alas , no read. The Good news became old news to me.
I do take sides with yall atheist to a degree. .
Sometimes us christians know the least, cuz man, idk why that disaster happened or why these kids n school kkilled, i see atheists as like these george carlin types but with more fem?
How did go from there to here sapporo?
Maybe i shouldnt be here lol
This one wise sage (think uncl remus) i worked with for years once told me after much a time of arguin over which i cant hardly say (me being devils advicate usually) after shakin his head " the natural mind cannot understand the supernatural" i still think of that when i come to 'forks'
@neophyte
"A christian thinks God is up there or there , somewhere always watching. "
so when Christians do intercourse god watch them doing it. It looks like god love porn if you think I'm kidding I'm not cause my assumption is based on your statement. If you want to prove your god is real then provide some solid stuff don't act like little kid
Im sorry maybe that was click bait. The proof is a change inside thats outside your doing... i think i heard it mention as this kind if amazing 'stirring of the heart' or something.
Im sorry if this doesnt click with you.
Of me, this I wrestle
We can likely agree that were we born in syria or iran, or a very islam centered place , theres a good chance we would be muslim. Are saying neo if im shot gathering wood , im going to hell, God made me born in a muslim or atheist house and now im at mall getting jamba juice returning shoes i never wore even tho tag not on, and i get shot by crazy mall bomber. and you say hell?? No not neo , he no say that
This is where i feel a bit diffrent ., ,
Some christians say "how old? ,,,age of accountabilty...."
Most christians say, Hell, no jesus there u go.
Jesus said love others as you love yourself, and in doing that you are a disciple, , so maybe yall atheists who are watching out for others are going to heaven anyway lol.
this life is my heaven I don't believe in fairytale
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"A christian thinks God is up there or there , somewhere always watching. "
then your god loves to watch children being raped???
"if i could stop a person from raping a child, i would thats the difference between me and your god
your god just watches and say "if you die (rapist) you'd go hell"
~Tracie Harris
where is the justice there??and you say he's just??
your god is a sadist...an immoral bastard...
"Im sorry maybe that was click bait. The proof is a change inside thats outside your doing... i think i heard it mention as this kind if amazing 'stirring of the heart' or something."
I'm not seeing how you can claim this objectively evidences the existence of a deity? Bear in mind that all religions make these claims, and they all paradoxically deny these claims when other religions make them, what objective evidence can you demonstrate that separates your claim from those of other religions?
@ neophyte
Gotta say, if I was on your side of the debate, I'd be embarrassed to have you represent my point of view. Is it possible your so-called proofs are really spoofs?
neophyte,
"Proving theres a God? Its easy!"
That's too funny! Thanks for the daily joke.
So we're supposed to prove that Yahweh, the God of the Hebrews and the God of the armies, exist? The only people who might think that Yahweh exists is people who are selling the fairy tale. Even Noah's grandkids didn't believe in his imaginary deity. They worshiped idols.
If you want to prove that Yeshua exists simply do what he said you can do. Walk outside and command a tree to uproot itself and to jump into the nearest body of water. If it does as you command without any outside help you will be the very first person in all of human history who has ever believed in Jesus. Even the people who saw him and heard him say that didn't believe in him. So be the first person in all of human history who does. Do the test.
Idk about the armies of the north meeting at mordor ir nothin like that. Maybe i read that years ago and went right over but none of that is gonna effect anyone on a personal level. Like some esoteric science info these 'deep cuts' that come outta bible left field are very important in their complexity somehow i guess, but im old school teachings, love and faith is very simple and as Jesus once said inregards to to that, "a child could understand" so when things become very meaty especially in the bible, i tend to just take them in as is.
Jesus himself while he did many miracles. (Unless all our forefathers who ever cared about their child just lied en masse, doubtful) he never did them for the sake of changing hearts. He wanted people to only plant this tiny mustard seed of faith in themselves, and He then would grow it, so he certainly aint gonna let me reach anyone that way , nor can i win thr lotto to, ahem get the word out.
that maybe why atheist have such a time believing and just hold on to their own way, the bible says somewhere that faith is a gift, so then what of the man who has not recieved a gift , no belief, no way to change, unless the atheist puts a bit of faith into the process.
Jesus lost many followers., imagine going against the different levels of government. He was a rebel with rebel ideas, love one another,?.., F**k that, , share my food with him cuz he aint got? Y? help this old hag off the ground? Maybe she shouldnt have fell.
A simple message that threatened the govment, and you know how threatened power reacts.
If u want truth u gotta make a step, if it doesnt happen , you have a right to be atheist, but dont trash a movie or book if you havent even given in earnest minute, , tho i do that with rowling
Thank you for joining ranjeet, thats hilarious that you say im acting like kid , that you go to sex as being this thing God is all into, oh man Hes into evrything, you forgot all the guttings that happen on the daily yo, his monitors make theync look like your first first bar mitzvah.
A blessed man got no worry, , aprehensive about something, well you may not have that worry anyway ranjeet. Besides you dont believe that , but You are being tracked on your phone tho
"Christians believe that a human is a spiritual being with a physical body. Thats why when some people die they claim to see their body and all manner of details in surrounding rooms and floors. You can tell me theyre full of it but u cant tell them. Tell the doctors who see it year after year and write their own books."
This is a memory the brain has stored whilst the body is dying and the brain is starved of oxygen, so the brain is also dying, so firstly you don't need to be neurologist to see any brain that is dying from oxygen deprivation is going to be less reliable at storing cogent memories.
Secondly something the brain imagines is not necessarily real unless you can evidence it objectively, can you? I am very dubious, and I see nothing on the news about this paradigm shifting event. No doctors have evidenced anything supernatural, you're leaping to assumptions as most theists do when they get a whiff of something that we currently have no explanation for.
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"You yourself just leave the body somehow"
You'll have to be a bit more specific.
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1) Didn't work, quelle surprise.
2) How does this prove a deity exists exactly, you're not being very clear?
"But by you doing these works, you have ignited Faith."
Faith doesn't evidence anything, faith is an excuse people use to justify bias in believing something they have no proper evidence for. Faith is entirely useless in determining the validity of a claim or belief, that's axiomatic. If you want to see how useless faith is in determining what is real, just take a stroll through any mental institution. Absolute faith in the reality of things we have no evidence for is why we lock people up, religion seems to me to be the sole arbitrary exception.
You haven't evidenced anything here, let alone proved anything. It's the usual guff religious apologists spout to try and pretend they know something those who don't share their beliefs don't. It is axiomatic this kind of personal claim is subjective and not objective.
“As some of you know who may have children, ,there is nothing they can do to stop your love for them.”
Are you quite sure that’s true?
“Its love that built the universe.”
Nope.
“Its all designed by a designer.”
Nope.
“The entirety of the entire universe and all of time itself was made for you.”
Egotistical
“Its a love thats unfathomable”
But you can fathom it?
I could go on but will leave it at that for now.
You guys are very intelligent, its hard to keep up on a phone. I spoke with a Dr John Lerma whos written a few books on death. He created the term pre death experience , he says often people who are in the midst of death from various reason go in and out like a light , people hes with will walk out of their bodies he says , they read signs and nametags on orderlies in other rooms what he told me personally, not shocking to me , was more concerned with a double burger awaiting me, but the subject matter is fascinating none the less.
Whats with the raping of the kids, wow, , you forgot the ones that never get raped but get to enjoy it later in its many flavors.
Not every child is raped, some slip through the cracks(no pun intnd) im thankful i dont have that memory, your sayingif i decide to change careers , God is just gonna stand by, He may he may not, if Hes not gonna stop a child from rape, why would he stop a child from growing up rejecting Him their whole life or a child that pisses his life away,
Do yall really care about children? Does your love have limits , terms, conditions?
A raped child becomes a teenaged prostitue , she becomes an older woman prostitute, she bumps into someone on street, coughing she asks for money, , How old is she? How long has she been doing this, loser , she needs prison.
She was a child once but now only a few are willing to help this person.
The only way a person can know objectively is from the physiological feeling inside that comes from faith.
I guess there isnt a way to prove anger and love and all the many emotions exist, but they do and cant be seen objectivley unless body measurements change like temperature, heartbeat, . Its more like falling in love is the best way. You just know that you know.
I know at least a few of yall have some kinda ghost story, everyone does, are we all lying to each other concerning ghosts and strange things that border on paranormal. Thats kinda evidence of a spiritual realm... see now just walk a litttle more...
“A raped child becomes a teenaged prostitue , she becomes an older woman prostitute, she bumps into someone on street, coughing she asks for money, , How old is she? How long has she been doing this, loser , she needs prison.”
That is just disgusting.
neophyte,
"A raped child becomes a teenaged prostitue , she becomes an older woman prostitute, she bumps into someone on street, coughing she asks for money, , How old is she? How long has she been doing this, loser , she needs prison."
Just a word of advice. When making such declarative statements on forums you have to preface them as a conditional situation otherwise people will attack you for it.
For instance a rewrite might go like this =
Have you ever considered what might happen to a raped child? The raped child becomes a teenage prostitute , she becomes an older woman prostitute, she bumps into someone on street, coughing, she asks for money. A passerby sneeringly wonders, "How old is she? How long has she been doing this, loser , she needs prison."
You've still illustrated your idea but you've reduced the possibility of being attacked for expressing it. It's been my observation that some people will tend to pick out certain statements a person makes in a post so that they can go ape shit over it.
Of course you are free to express yourself however you like but some people will whine about how you do it.
Im connecting God to outside body, its connected im sure, im just merely saying that as a spiritual being , many people have confirmed being outside their body, which is totally TRIPPY! If a fact like that truly were true as many a peep has claimed , then im just saying there, should be something there intellectually for you to bite in. It means everlasting. The body is gone but here i am, thats better then BTC at 2$, if true.
"many people have confirmed being outside their body"
Claimed, not confirmed.
" If a fact like that truly were true"
That's an oxymoron, facts by definition are true.Either it is a fact, or it is dubious as the If in your premise suggests.
The rest of your post is incoherent sorry.
Out-of body experiences are a state of the brain that can be induced in the lab. Nothing magical about it.
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/08/070823141057.htm
disgusting? That person is still a human being , she needs help even if u or others see them as fringe or less. . How dare you call her that!
Jk. I think the image was unsettling? U should know that there really are people on the streets that have suffered. U know this is true. And my story was the rated G version compared to the patterns of trauma
Im sorry , but God may not stop you from getting robbed and destititue , or just wasting away.
what cyb mean is you're disgusting...
the kind of thinking is disgusting...
you should be ashamed of your self....
you just come here and haver your filthy mind out...
what kind of christian you are??
is this trolling???
neophyte, I don’t think you understand anything about childhood sexual assault, prostitution, profound suffering, trauma, etc.
If a being can stop suffering, but chooses not to, then it's malevolent or possibly evil. If it can't stop suffering or won't then it contradicts the definition of the Abrahamic deity(s).
See Epicurus, who concisely settled this centuries before christianity was created.
I think you missed the point,sheldon, , yes the people *claimed to read signs and things , the doctors *claimed that they werent full of poopy when things are confirmed. , they could be just *claiming even that however. so i see what you are saying. But people of all walks have only seen either family or Jesus himself when they die. Ive never heard of any 'religion' of where a person dies and sees buddha or mohammed not even claims. Spend ur whole life as buddhist but only see jesus died of heart attack n come back... it cant be brains firing electricity. Just one case of out of body reading some bs in another room is enuff proof , specially when claims match the writings and a doctor i spoke with fir 2 hours on his porch confirms. Theres too many cases. same exact things seen.
So ghosts , your fellow man through history dying and comin back seein the light they claim.
Still not enuff, you guys are hardcore
I wish you have been around longer, because some are familiar with my tale. In 2010 I was in an emergency surgery, and they lost my vital signs twice. By any definition I died twice that day, and was revived. And yes, I had a very powerful dream. But it was not my "spirit" wandering the hospital halls, or anything religious. I had been heavily researching ship construction, and my dream was naval.
My dream was triggered by my dying brain fixing on what I was most interested in.
So there you have it. Not something that is the domain of urban legends or hearsay (which is not even admitted in court) but straight from someone who did experience this stuff.
Near death dreams always reflect the beliefs of the patient. If you've never heard of any but Christian imagery then I suggest you Do a more thorough research.
However you're missing the point. Even if only Christian imagery were seen this isn't objective evidence for a deity being real. You don't seem to understand what objective means. You're certainly not alone in that as most religious apologists on here seem to have the same problem.
What you've claimed isn't even evidence let alone proof.
Welcome back F.I.G.
he is more like....
russian tank + FIG combined in one persona....
funny and irritating..delusional to be exact
babbling like asinine imbecile....
Im not trolling, im just trying to make points on human conditions. Im a genuine person here, genuine interests, even semidomesticated according to my wife, my thinking can be shocking to most christians even but my comments are tamer. Perhaps this will not help my argument in anyway
Isaiah 45:7
7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things.
Do you see that. To say why God allows thus or that is kinda moot, how do you know he didnt cause it to happen. . Allowing? Watching? Maybe he sent/allowed/watched an evil spirit go into a man and cause him to murder. He just needed a lil push thats all.
God was no barred holds then , he wanted blood spilled. As jesus he spilled his own for man.
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