science is really nailing it, discovering and still learning on how planets and stars form.
is this how we form??or its all gods power to create things?
i'm curious on how would creationist think of this discovery.
i can't say more about this...just click the link
https://www.space.com/33193-organic-molecule-planet-forming-disk.html
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Just checked your profile as I didn't want to rip into another Atheist for asking a question by assuming they were making an assertion. Philippines huh! I will be there on August 2. I almost have my Christian girlfriend, a Philippina, convinced that god is just a myth.
Anyway, I think there is little room for debate on this one. If creationists can distort the information to support their delusion they will. That's obvious. In the end, it is just another of god's miracles and of course its only 6000 years old.
"almost"
you know filipinos are one of the countries that has millions of delusional believers for some reason, i don't know...
"girlfriend, a Philippina"
you really have a good selection and taste when it comes to a girlfriend cog....i salute you for that...
its just a month and a half away...good luck with your vacay cog...!!!
Qu@si,
"Methanol, a Building Block of Life, Found Around Newborn Star."
IMO such claims as this are just pure BS. The star is supposed to be 170 light years from us. And we are supposed to believe that they can detect methanol and attribute it to a star at that distance? Even if they do in fact detect methanol it could be coming from anywhere. Since they still don't know for sure how many planets are in this solar system claims about what exist 170 light years from us should be regarded as BS. They can make any claim they want to since we have no way to verify it.
Light carries information with it; the spectrum created by every element and molecule acts like a fingerprint.
While that's true there are a hell of a lot of light sources over a distance of 170 light years.
Hmm perhaps, but the more light sources the more information. Take a look at the attachment, helium and hydrogen will always make the same unique pattern. So there could be thousands of sources, but if these patterns show up, then you know there's helium and hydrogen present.
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ʝօɦռ 6IX ɮʀɛɛʐʏ,
Hydrogen is the essential element for creation. Everything is derived from it.
BTW, are space aliens bring wood on that star?
"Methanol is a liquid chemical with the formula CH3OH (often abbreviated MeOH). It is colorless, volatile, flammable, and poisonous. Methanol is made from the destructive distillation of wood and is chiefly synthesized from carbon monoxide and hydrogen."
https://thechemco.com/chemical/methanol/
@Diotrephes
The production of methanol by the destructive distillation of wood is just one of many ways to produce it. In fact, it is on your breath, your body produces minute amounts of methanol. I am not going to claim you have a tiny forest in your stomach and that you have a little fire going on inside your intestines.
Here is a small excerpt from just one article on this subject.
Methanol is formed when carbon monoxide (CO) that is sitting on interstellar dust particles reacts with hydrogen (H2) at low temperatures (very cold—around 10-15 K). For the chemists in the room, H combines with CO to form HCO, which in turn combines with another H to form formaldehyde (H2CO). Add a couple more hydrogen atoms, and you’ve got methanol. Once the methanol is formed, cosmic rays, UV radiation, or small amounts of heat can trigger reactions that combine it to form more complex molecules. All these molecules, in turn, might end up in the disk of dust and gases surrounding a new star and eventually become incorporated into planets.
https://arstechnica.com/science/2011/11/astronomers-discover-best-locati...
Telescopes can focus on a given star and, if there is enough light, it can be broken down into its spectrum by a prism or a grating. Thus, you can get data for a particular star even though there are billions of stars out there.
Greensnake,
Have you ever seen it done?
Analyzing spectral lines is not a new idea, not controversial, or even that difficult. It is how we know the sun is made out of mostly hydrogen.
The hard part is getting the light from a star.
Nyarlathotep,
"The hard part is getting the light from a star."
We're talking about something in the range of 170 light years. That's not in the neighborhood. So the question is has anyone on the forum ever seen the process first hand for something like that? If the star is being created it shouldn't be burning wood to produce wood alcohol.
I think the guys would be more credible in their claims if they knew how many planets are in this solar system. They can make all kinds of claims and we simply don't have the means to verify them. They could probably easily fool me but they don't seem to be broadcasting their techniques to the world.
So, as usual, I'm calling BS until someone reports that they have witnessed the process.
I've used a telescope, and I've measured spectral lines; but no I have never personally done the two at the same time. But I can tell you a simple way to do it. Take the light from that area of the sky, project it on to a piece of cardboard with the tiny section of the sky you want to measure cut out, then feed what passes your filter into a spectrometer. It is pretty simple stuff, people have been doing this for about 200 years. Your notion that this is somehow a fraud/dishonest would require a multi-generational conspiracy involving tens of thousands of persons.
Of course this isn't your first attempt at astronomy crack-pottery.
I've never seen a car being built. Should I now call BS on every auto mechanic and auto designer?
You should; you go in for an oil change and come out being told you need to fix half the car. Not knowing how cars work and how they're built is a definite disadvantage; and trusting the people whose job it is to make money from you, doesn't seem wise.
ʝօɦռ 6IX ɮʀɛɛʐʏ, you are 100% correct. Spectroscopic analysis has become a well established and proven method to examine the composition of stars, and other objects that give off radiation.
Getting back to the recent announcement, the discovery of these molecules, although definitely not hard proof of life, are part of what would be expected in an environment that allows life to form. We are slowly and incrementally assembling the information that leads us to a better understanding of what is going on in this universe.
It is indeed an established scientific method.
In regards to the aiding of life, it certainly supports the prospect of panspermia.
I really do appreciate all of the information. On this particular issue I choose to remain a skeptic.