answer me these
Quran never asked to attack on anyone except in the case of self defense ,you have to read the verse before and after the verse to understand full meaning
Why would prophet muhammed risk his religion on such silly signs and most of the signs of qiyamah(last day) is happening right infront of our eyes ,
eg : euphrates river drying up, arab's tall building race
Christian and Islamic Eschatology are almost same , doesnt it prove anything ? christians were just mislead from truth
Semen emerging between ribs and spine , read this ( http://www.ahlalhdeeth.com/vbe/showthread.php?t=2602 )
Muslims doesnt oppose evolutionary theory , but the first homo sapien was adam ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DPuoGVlCjZ0 )
Many people are saying Prophet Muhammed(PBUH) Plagiarized greek,roman,egypt knowledge and also bible, torah etc..Mohammed was illetarate how can he plagiarize then ?? Answer me
and one last thing .
babies are born with certain instinct ( like sucking nipples, grasoing hands) if is no god , who taught them to do this ??
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.................... none of this has anything to do with the veracity of islam. you dont even mention islam in this post
"Islam is true, read and prove me wrong."
Will do :)
"Quran never asked to attack on anyone except in the case of self defense ,you have to read the verse before and after the verse to understand full meaning"
Even if it does not, it does not mean "Islam is true".
= proved wrong.
"Why would prophet muhammed risk his religion on such silly signs"
because the authors were not mature enough to know that signs does not = "Islam is true"
= proven wrong.
"Christian and Islamic Eschatology are almost same , doesnt it prove anything ? christians were just mislead from truth"
It proves that just like Christians Muslims are mislead.
= proven wrong.
All other anatomy claims prove that Islam is false and only capable of knowing things which were already known.
=proven wrong.
"Mohammed was illetarate how can he plagiarize then ??"
One thing we agree about, he did not plagiarize them because he did not exist, the authors made mohammed up too, not only the flying horse of course.
=proven wrong.
"babies are born with certain instinct"
True!!! they are born ATHEISTS :P
So you admit that islam doesnt ask to kill non muslims ? Islam is a peaceful religion ?
How can you say that mohammed never existed ? There are many sources to prove his existence .
The Islamic sources include:
* Witness of several thousand people that's documented with clear chains of narration
Narrations of tens of thousands of things he said
*He has lineage (with complete genealogical trees) to this day of people who claim to be his children (including the current king of Jordan)
*His burial place is well known
*We have what is believed to be a book that he claims has divine origin that no-one has said was not delivered by him
Amongst non-Islamic sources (in case you believe several thousand Muslims can't be trusted simply because they're Muslims):
*There are letters he sent to emperors of other countries
*Evidences in the historical records of other nations. There's a book by Robert Hoyland that lists more than 120 documents that point to Muhammad's existence
Did Muhammad Exist? A Valuable Read
http://www.islam-watch.org/home/136-farhan-qureshi/1018-did-muhammad-exi...
http://www.centerforinquiry.net/blogs/entry/what_does_it_mean_to_say_muh...
Islam is poison, that does not want the truth to come to light, that is why it needs to be purged sooner or later from the minds of people.
Enjoy your poison while it lasts Abdul, one day this harmful drug will be illegal, mind my words.
Prophecy. :)
Quran (9:5) - "So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captive and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them."
Is it necessary to defend yourself against cartoonists? Is a satirical insult to Islam an attack worthy of retribution?
"Slay them wherever you may catch them and expel them from the place from which they expelled you. The sin of disbelief in God (fitnah) is greater than committing murder. Do not fight them in the vicinity of the Sacred Mosque in Mecca unless they start to fight. Then slay them for it is the recompense that the disbelievers deserve." - Quran 2:191
Among other things.
https://michaelsherlockauthor.wordpress.com/2015/04/01/isis-is-islam/
There is some real nice misogyny as well...
"Men are the managers of the affairs of women for that God has preferred in bounty one of them (men) over the another (women), and for that they expended of their (men’s) property. Righteous women are therefore obedient, guarding the secret for God’s guarding. And those that you fear may be rebellious admonish; banish them to their couches, and beat them. If they then obey you, look not for any way against them; God is All-high, All-great." - Quran 4:34
Haha seriously ?
"Fight in the way of Allah those who fight you but do not transgress. Indeed. Allah does not like transgressors." Quran 2:190
"And if they cease, then indeed, Allah is Forgiving and Merciful." Quran 2:192
Are you blind dude ? I told you , when you take a verse read the previous and next one too, its asks to 'fight those who fight you' .
Rebute this and i dare ya . Lol
Haha seriously ?
"Fight in the way of Allah those who fight you but do not transgress. Indeed. Allah does not like transgressors." Quran 2:190
"And if they cease, then indeed, Allah is Forgiving and Merciful." Quran 2:192
Are you blind dude ? I told you , when you take a verse read the previous and next one too, its asks to 'fight those who fight you' .
Rebute this and i dare ya . Lol
You didn't read the article I linked to did you? Read it first, for real. I mean: actually read it.
Then you can come back with this childish "gotcha" attitude.
Also, I noticed you didn't reply to chimp3 or my quote about misogyny... why?
Do you think it's right to beat women just for feeling fear that they might be rebellious? Is it right to beat them even if they are rebellious?
@ Abdul Rauf Bin Jamal
Just like Jeff Vella Leone points out, even if you can prove your assumptions that the Quran is peaceful, it has no impact what so ever on the subject of this thread: "Islam is true".
How is it possible to know if something is true or not?
What has lead you to believe that the texts in the Quran is true?
If I tell you that I have a dragon in my garage, how can you determine if that is true or not?
Do you know islam is the world's most citicized religion in the world ? and Quran too.Only a true religion can be criticized this much. Why would you people criticize islam if its false religion ?
@ Abdul Rauf Bin Jamal
You didn't even answer *one* of my questions, why? I honestly would like to hear your answers.
I will however do you the courtesy of answering yours.
"Do you know islam is the world's most citicized religion in the world ? and Quran too."
No, I don't know that, but if you have anything to prove your statement with, I'll be happy take a look. I think that all religions are criticized. If you look at it proportional to the size of the religion, I would guess that religions like Scientology are at least almost as criticized as Islam. Most religious people seem to think that their own religion is the most criticized religion. Isn't that a shocker?
But I'll give you this, it doesn't sound unlikely that Islam is the most criticized religion.
"Only a true religion can be criticized this much."
Really? That is a ridiculous personal assertion.
I would really like to see something to verify that, beyond your personal (and almost certainly, biased) opinion.
"Why would you people criticize islam if its false religion ?"
In my view, all religions are false. Islam is no exception.
I criticize all of them, but the more violent, the more disruptive, the more intolerant, the more misogynistic, the more political and the more expansive a religion is, the more I will criticize it.
There are many Muslims that are good, kind people, but the religion of Islam is a political religion. And as I see it, it is a religion steeped in domination and intolerance. It is of course also the religion that is currently violating human rights most frequently by all manner of insane executions, attacks and wars.
That is why I said that I don't think it is unlikely to be the most criticized religion.
Islam is growing fast, a large number of people are converting to islam . But not to other religions , Why would people convert to islam if islam is false ?
Abdul, has Islam got to your head to the point where even if apples fall from the tree Islam is true?
Wow , seriously ? Making fun of me when you run out of answer. Usual athiest :P
Wow, seriously? Asking questions that don't prove that their religion is real. Usual theist :P
I could answer so many of these questions that you are writing, which is what many above are doing already, but you won't even take them into consideration. You are fitting the common theist image so incredibly well.
Please do not complain about us insulting you, you are insulting us by not paying attention to a simple sentence or two, or dodging questions.
@ Abdul
I was making fun of you true, but I also answered your questions in the process, because you are ridiculing yourself with stupid questions.
"Why would you people criticize islam if its false religion ?"
It is irrelevant how criticized something is, to whether it is the truth.
"Why would people convert to islam if islam is false ?"
It is irrelevant how popular something is, to whether it is the truth.
"apples fall from the tree Islam is true?"
Your arguments are not relevant/linked to whether Islam is true or false, just like the apples are not linked, but I guess you are not smart enough to understand my answer.
Usual Theist, he needs spoon feeding :P
Imagine going back in time to when Christianity was new and on the rise, and your friend tells you "Why would people convert to i̶s̶l̶a̶m̶ Christianity if i̶s̶l̶a̶m̶ Christianity is false"?
You wouldn't accept that argument for anything except Islam. As always, it is special pleading.
9:1 Freedom from obligation (is proclaimed) from Allah and His messenger toward those of the idolaters with whom ye made a treaty.
9:2 Travel freely in the land four months, and know that ye cannot escape Allah and that Allah will confound the disbelievers (in His Guidance).
9:3 And a proclamation from Allah and His messenger to all men on the day of the Greater Pilgrimage that Allah is free from obligation to the idolaters, and (so is) His messenger. So, if ye repent, it will be better for you; but if ye are averse, then know that ye cannot escape Allah. Give tidings (O Muhammad) of a painful doom to those who disbelieve,
9:4 Excepting those of the idolaters with whom ye (Muslims) have a treaty, and who have since abated nothing of your right nor have supported anyone against you. (As for these), fulfil their treaty to them till their term. Lo! Allah loveth those who keep their duty (unto Him).
9:5 Then, when the sacred months have passed, slay the idolaters wherever ye find them, and take them (captive), and besiege them, and prepare for them each ambush. But if they repent and establish worship and pay the poor-due, then leave their way free. Lo! Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.
OK . I read the verse before 9:5 and a few before that. Seems like an aggression to me. At least it could be misinterpreted that way. Perhaps the translation into english is a difficulty. In English "besiege" means to commit siege warfare. Offensive warfare.
"Give tidings (O Muhammad) of a painful doom to those who disbelieve"
Seems pretty offensive to me, must bookmark it.
I would want to ask some Muslim nut job how peaceful the phrase "painful doom to those who disbelieve" is?
RIP type of peaceful. lol
@ ABDUL RAUF BIN JAMAL .......
"Islam is true,"
Interesting assertion.........
Evidence ..???
You're not an Arab ,are you ?
Just another "Mawali"....... ?
You have to wonder why someone would take the time to register an account with AR, just to come onto the forums and start this inflammatory shit. And then deflect, evade, and deflect. As Stu K. said above, typical theist attitude.
Funniest thing about it is, though, that they think they're getting one over on people. Like they somehow have proven their claims.
You all are going to be fuel for hell tomorrow . God has made your hearts hard as stones as it is said in quran. You will not believe in islam , allah gave you free will . But you decide no and go to hell. Just think this , can a human create atleast a surah like in quran ? I feel very sorry for you brothers . Please watch some zakir naik,hamza,yasir qadhi videos and learn yourself . A lot of scientists are converting to islam can't you see ?
Yes exactly. Allah is the one who has "sealed our hearts and hearing ", and "placed a veil over our eyes" so it's his fault we don't believe, because remember nothing happens except what Allah wills, so actually, we don't have free will according to the teachings of Islam. So he created a whole load of people, willed them not to believe in him, so he could send them to hell, yes, such a just and merciful god, not.
Can you create a stanza like Pushkin?
Zakir Naik? Don't make me laugh, the man is a fool and a liar to boot
@ Abdul Rauf Bin Jamal
This is where you openly show your delusion...
As Godless_Heathen points out:
If God has made our hearts hard as stones, how could we have free will to choose? That's not free will.
If Allah has given us free will, why would he send people who believe "wrong" to hell? That's not free will.
"I feel very sorry for you brothers"
Thank you, but I'm as afraid of your hell as I am of the Christian hell and the Hindu Hell: Not the slightest.
"Please watch some zakir naik,hamza,yasir qadhi videos and learn yourself"
You want us to educate ourselves by looking at videos of biased Islamists? They gain something by standing trying to spread their faith. They earn money, and more followers mean more status, more power. You should be suspicious of information that is given by those who stand to get personal gain from spreading it.
"A lot of scientists are converting to islam can't you see ?"
Seriously, where are you getting this from?
You really should try to verify such information, without it coming from someone who is preaching Islam.
Zakir Naik, that you bring up as an example to learn from, has spawned a whole genre of "debunked" videos, because he is constantly lying. Not a very good example to learn from...
Just a small sample:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bk5q9TeGo14
https://youtu.be/Ndpsuvg48fc?t=189
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1uHB3crL1-U
@ Abdul Rauf Bin Jamal .....
So... a standard Theist response then.......
Ridiculous threats ....
Random ,pointless quotes from the Arabs fabricated book of platitudes and fairy stories ( moon splitting ,tales of creation and the buraq )
Topped off by more baseless assertions ...."A lot of scientists are converting to islam "....OK ..name three.
It really is all pretty standard theistic fayre..
Then there was this....
"God has made your hearts hard as stones as it is said in quran"
There is no god ,no Allah ...
no-one has hardened our hearts......
but I would point out that your own peculiar beliefs do seem to have softened your brain ,
to the point of completely dissolving anything you may once have possessed in the way of intellect.
Oh ! ....and we ain't your brothers ....Dude.
**Even if** he was real, he is such an asshole that doesn't deserve to be followed and worshipped. Do you really think worshipping something that's leaving millions with cancer and starvation is worthy of that? I would say just about everybody on these forums are more worthy to be praised than your god.
HAVE ANYONE OF YOU READ THE HOLY QURAN COMPLETELY , HADITH'S ? COME ON PEOPLE YOU HAVE TO LEARN SOMETHING BEFORE RIDICULING IT , AND SHOW ME ONE SINGLE SCIENTIST OR PERSON WHO LEFT ISLAM AFTER COMPLETELY STUDYING IT, IF YOU SHOW ME JUST ONE MAN . I'LL LEAVE MY BELIEF . JUST ONE .
Why can't you just answer the questions we have give you? Why do you keep avoiding them?
"COME ON PEOPLE YOU HAVE TO LEARN SOMETHING BEFORE RIDICULING IT"
I do not, in fact, need to read all of your material to ridicule it. If any part of it is ridiculous, then, guess what?
Your challenge is silly. There are many, many folks who have left islam. If I name any of them, I would bet my next six pay checks that you will just insist they didn't 'completely' study it.
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