ABDRAUF786 .....

Watch your behaviour ......I know you claim to be a muslim... but that does not excuse you from civility.....this is a debate forum...you do not have the right ti issue curses ,threats or even quranic dooms......your fairy tales give you no authority here..... moderate your behaviour or leave....

You do realise your last post has negated anything you may have said previously.....and that it is YOU who is the disgrace to the muslim community

No, all that proves is that you are gullible and believe all the dawah nonsense you see on YouTube. Children are born without religion, and are brainwashed by their parents.
We don't mislead anyone. YOU are the one that came here, to an atheist forum, and you are also free to leave if you don't like what we have to say.

@ ABDUL RAUF BIN JAMAL....

Well spotted....Asf is indeed no longer a muslim in your sense of the word......he is an ex-muslim and a burgeoning atheist.... a mind and an intellect that has come through the miasma of religious sludge and is now operating in freedom ...a whole world of knowledge and learning is now open to him...because of his own courage.

While you are still stuck back in 6th century barbarism ....

Now you seem to be a little tied up with "fakers" for some reason..... perhaps you would consider the following....

1/ No record of Muhammad’s reported death in 632 appears until more than a century after that date.

2/ A Christian account, apparently dating from the mid 630’s speaks of an un-named Arab prophet “armed with a sword” who seems to be still alive.

3/ The early accounts written by the peoples the Arabs conquered NEVER mention :
a) Islam
b) Muhammad
c) the Qur’an

The conquerors themselves are, variously, called:
a) Ishmaelites
b) Saracens
c) Muhajirun
d) Hagarians

But NEVER Muslims.

4/ The Arab conquerors themselves, in their coins and inscriptions, don’t mention Islam or the Qur’an for more than half a century (60 years) after the start of their campaigns of expansion.

5/ The Qur’an, even by the canonical Muslim account, was not distributed in its present form until the 650’s.
Contradicting this standard account is the fact that neither the Arabians nor the Christians nor the Jews in the region even mention the Qur’an until the early eighth century.

6/ Only in the 690’s do we begin to hear about Muhammad, the prophet of Islam and about Islam itself. This was during the reign of the caliph Abd al-Malik. Coins and inscriptions reflecting Islamic beliefs begin to appear at this time also.

7/ At about the same time, Arabic becomes the predominant written language of the Arabian Empire, supplanting Syriac and Greek.

8/ Abd al-Malik claimed, in a passing remark in one hadith , to have collected the Qur’an .
This contradicts the Islamic tradition that the collection was the work of the caliph Uthman, forty years earlier.

9/ Multiple hadiths report that Hajjaj ibn Yusuf, governor of Iraq during the reign of Abd al Malik , edited the Qur’an and distributed his new edition to the various Arab controlled provinces – again something Uthman is supposed to have done decades earlier.

10/ Even some Islamic traditions maintain that certain, common Islamic practices, such as the recitation of the Qur’an during mosque prayers, date from the orders of Hajjaj ibn Yusuf and not to the earliest period of Islamic history.

11/ In the middle of the eighth century ,the Abbasid dynasty supplanted the Umayyad line of Abd al-Malik. The Abbasids charged the Umayyads with impiety on a large scale.
In the Abbasid period , biographical material about Mohammad began to proliferate.
The first complete biography of the prophet of Islam finally appeared during this era – at least 125 years after the traditional date of his death.

12/ The biographical material that emerged situate s Muhammad in an area of Arabia that NEVER was the centre for trade and pilgrimage that the canonical Islamic account of Islams origins depends on it to be.

Now .......would you like to look closer at claims of "fakery".......??

In response to #37, who are you to say who is a Muslim and who isn't? Be very careful, you do know that if you call takfir on someone erroneously, that takfir comes back to you, then you really will be a murtad.