Intolerant Atheists

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SeniorCitizen007's picture
Intolerant Atheists

Recent history has shown that when atheists have gained political control of a society an elite faction has then striven to assert its authority over the population ... resulting in "brutal" regimes. In the late 19th century a university professor warned that atheistic socialism would result in criminals taking control. Benign and benevolent atheists need to figure out a way to curb the influence of such people..

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Cognostic's picture
YES BRUTAL REGIMES:

YES BRUTAL REGIMES:
NORWAY - 39 per cent of atheists versus 37 per cent of believers.

Once again you have proven that you have no clue as to what you are talking about. Atheism is not a 'BELIEF SYSTEM." It has nothing to do with government philosophies or ideologies. It is a position on one topic and one topic only. "DOES A GOD EXIST." There is no atheist dogma that says the religious mist die or churches must burn. You are thinking of RELIGIONS.

COMMUNISM, MARXISM, SOCIALISM did away with the religions because they were a threat to the government, NOT BECAUSE THE GOVERNMENTS WERE ATHEIST.

"Communism, in which name the ruling party of China has governed since 1949, regards religion as a means of oppressing the proletariat, with religious movements suppressed under Mao Zedong throughout his 27 year reign until 1976." IT IS NOT ATHEISM SUPPRESSING RELIGION. IT IS COMMUNISM THAT SEES RELIGION AS A THREAT TO ITS POWER AND CONTROL.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/atheists-countries-list-six-world-...

30 to 39 per cent of the people on the Japanese islands say they are "convinced atheists". I guess we can expect the Japanese to begin killing each other off any day now. Damn heathen Japanese!

DO YOU EVER FACT CHECK ANYTHING YOU WRITE OR IS IT JUST FREE FLOW OF VOMIT FROM THE UNCONSCIOUS TO THE CONSCIOUS?

algebe's picture
@SeniorCitizen007: atheistic

@SeniorCitizen007: atheistic socialism would result in criminals taking control.

Can you name an example where this has actually happened?

None of the brutal socialist totalitarian regimes have been truly atheist. They just replaced one god with a Chairman or a Dear Leader and worshiped him instead. Did you know that North Korea is led by an "Eternal President" called Kim Il Sung, who died in 1994?

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Sheldon's picture
Were any of these "atheist"

Were any of these "atheist" regimes in your "test group" not totalitarian dictatorships?

You seem to be assigning causation for brutality here to the lack of belief in a deity, so firstly please evidence it was atheism, and not totalitarianism, that was the cause.

Several tests we could use here.

1. Are there totalitarian regimes that are theistic, and do these have a better record on human rights? Think Nazi Germany, ISIS, the Japanese fascists serving an Emperor deity, or Iran, Iraq, Saudi Arabia for example.
2. Cite any atheist doctrine or dogma that endorse or encourages brutality or the disregarding of human rights? Compared to say the sadistic brutality taught in both bible and Koran.
3. Are there any democratic atheist societies whose human rights record we can compare, for example Sweden, Denmark or Japan perhaps.

Your blatant selection bias is pretty obvious here. That aside, this tired old theistic cliche is fallacious of course, the fallacy is called post hoc ergo proper hoc. In English after this therefore because of this. In which selection bias is used to cite a reason you're biased against as the cause for an event coming after it, whilst ignoring all other potential causes. Theist reverse this process for causes they're biased in favour of, like prayer for example.

Peter Hitchens wrote an entire book based on this fallacy. He blamed atheism for the misery in the former Soviet Union, as if, like you, he'd failed to notice the fact it was a brutal dictatorship as well, where the citizens had no legal rights, exactly of course as was the case before, under the Christian Tsars, who were equally if not more barbaric in their utter disregard for the rights of ordinary Russians.

Like your post, Peter's book was complete nonsense. Intolerance can be pernicious, but there is no evidence at all that lacking a belief in a deity breeds intolerance. Quite the opposite can be evidenced in fact, in many democratic secular societies in the developed west.

arakish's picture
@ Sheldon

@ Sheldon

I like your usage of Christopher's brother. Have you seen their debates? Of course you have...

I loved them.

rmfr

Sheldon's picture
Yes, intellectually speaking

Yes, intellectually speaking it was like watching Mohamed Alli square up to Pee-wee Herman, talk about a mismatch. It was obvious in the end that Christopher was "pulling his punches", he said as much when he refused to enter anymore formal debates with his brother, lest in his own words "it should create enmity between them". I can sympathise to a certain extent I suppose, he was his brother at the end of the day. Still there were some cracking debates that I enjoyed a great deal.

Randomhero1982's picture
No evidence to support his

No evidence to support his notion, hardly surprising...

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arakish's picture
Damnit, RH! You beat me to

Damnit, RH! You beat me to it. But I'll still add mine.

Total, Complete, Absolute, Utter BULLSHIT!

rmfr

The_Quieter's picture
There is no such thing as

There is no such thing as 'atheistic socialism'.

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