YOU came to an atheist forum
YOU are desperately ignoring objective facts.
YOU are making ever more desperate denials of science.
YOU are the one using cliched fallacies passed off as rational argument.
YOU are the one resorting to duplicitous misrepresentations of other people's posts.
YOU are the one who sought out atheists and are trying to pedal your superstition.

Only you seem desperate to me. I was blissfully unconcerned by vapid creationist rhetoric and propaganda before you showed up, and will remain so when you inevitably leave.

@ JNV3

how fish came out of the water to live on land (over time of course) and turn into philosophers
IS a lie, but you choose to believe it

Don't be such a fucking dill.

Show us evidence for your "god" and stop making us both laugh and projectile vomit at your comments.

and stop fucking lying!

J N Vanderbilt ,

Just this one comment shows you do not even a basic understanding of evolution.

" don’t worry about me needing to provide proof of God"

Never mind proof, a single shred of objective evidence would be a start.

You can rant and deny scientific facts all you want, this just makes you look like a typical rediculous creationist having a tantrum because he can't bully atheists into accepting his vapid superstition.

No one is biting, get over it.

"No mutations ever observed facilitating macro evolution,"

Liar, and you've been given the links to the research in this very thread. You may be a theist or not, but you are an unabashed liar, that much is unequivocal, so much for the ninth commandment. T'was ever thus...lies for Jesus is it?

Speciation has been observed, and you have been given multiple links in this thread to the research. Playing word games to create straw man arguments won't changed this.

"I’ve given you fruit fly example which you have chosen to ignore, after hundreds of mutations they are still fruit flies "

Another lie, you didnt give this examole it was linked for you, and the research shows in this example speciation of fruit flies. So how is this your example, example of what, your cretinous stupidity making you unable to grasp that speciation IS macro evolution? Each time you post you prove you donteven know what these basic scientific terms mean.

There are literally thousands of different species of fruit flies you duplicitous blinkered buffoon. So your cretinous creationist cliche above is like observing a chimpanzee evolving into a human and screeching lah lah lah it's still an ape lah lah lah.

All you're showing is the depth of your ignorance on a topic you are making risible claims about. As has been stated, you haven't even the most basic grasp of evolution or taxonomy, you dont even know that speciation is an example of macro evolution , but you do know speciation has been observed, that part is another deliberate lie from you. No amount of word games using terms like "creatures" or "type" will change the fact MACRO EVOLUTOIN HAS BEEN OBSERVED. Get over it...macro evolution and micro evolution are the same process on different time scales.

Now since you're setting this arbitrary standard did you see the ludicrous biblical myths of a virgin birth, the risible resurrection myth, or the equally risible creation myth of humans being conjured into existence in their current form from clay using magic? No of course not, none of that hokum nonsense has been objectively observed, yet you want to set a different standard of belief for an objectively evidenced scientific fact.

So you're clearly a hypocrite as well as a liar then.

He's shamelessly moving the goalposts each time his creationist verbiage is disproved.

He claimed only micro evolution is true and not macro. It was pointed out that macro evolution is micro evolution on a larger timescale. So then he switched from no macro evolution has occurred, to its never been observed. He was given links to selective breeding research that produced speciation , one of those examples involved fruit flies. Then he switched from macro evolution to using straw man terms like type and creature. He has ignored the other examples you will note. He keeps citing fruit flies but seems to not know there are different species of them, just as there are different species of apes that include humans.

He's undoubtedly profoundly ignorant on this topic, but he's also thoroughly dishonest as well. Both are fairly typical among creationists in my experience of them.

Species evolution through natural selection is an established scientific fact with a global scientific consensus. It is explained and evidenced in the scientific theory of evolution. The evidence is overwhelming and convergent from multiple scientific fields of study. To deny it now based on naught but blind faith in bronze age creation myths is no different to denying the rotundity of the earth.

Not one piece of objective scientifically validated evidence has ever contradicted or falsified species evolution or natural selection, and creationism has no objective evidence at all to support it. This was true when this thread started and it's equally true now.

He'll be mumbling about irreducible complexity next. He's already posted just about every cliches creationist howler there is, including the risibly stupid "evolution is not a fact just a theory" stinker. As if scientific theories can't explain and evidence scientific facts.

My favourite dumb claim from him though still has to be "Sheldon, you have your logic and I have mine."

It's so moronic you just have to clutch your belly throw your head back and bellow with laughter.

If you want irony how about him claiming that macro evolution is untrue because it's never been observed, as if anyone ever saw humans created in an instant from clay, or people rising from the dead 3 days after dying from crucifixion.

Theists are irony impaired.