"Sheldon, all I have been saying is that codes are created by intelligence period"

Not true, you stated a challenge plainly in your OP for anyone to demonstrate a code created by nature.

Every example we have of codes being created is by natural phenomena, because the intelligence is human.

Now, I ask again as you keep refusing to answer, can you show a single example of a code created outside of nature? Furthermore can you demonstrate *any objective evidence that *anything outside of the natural material universe exists at all?

"Logic tells us that there is an intelligence somewhere, sometime, someplace that may not be discernible"

No it isn't rational at all to assert this, because you are making yet again an appeal to ignorance fallacy. How can you discern the existence of something that by your own definition cannot be discerned? Good grief man read that claim back...

Your claim that this is rational is false, no matter how many times you repeat it. What's more all you'd need to do is Google informal logical fallacies, then look up argumentum ad ignorantiam.

You are asserting your claim is rational, whilst using a known fallacy in informal logic, and I'm sorry you don't see how risible that is, but nothing you have posted suggests you want to honestly examine why your claim is irrational. Then again anyone who cherry picks a single scientific fact like evolution to deny cannot objectively claim to understand what rational means, or they are simply being intellectually dishonest.

So which of those describes your endless claim that an appeal to ignorance fallacy is rational? The two things are anathema to each other...They're mutually exclusive...don't take my word for it either, this is basic informal logic nothing can be asserted as rational if it contains a logical fallacy...dear oh dear...

@jnv3
Are you saying that god created life? If so, then what objective evidence do you have that god is real?

First, we know there are (at least) 4 dimensions, not 3. 3 spatial, 1 temporal.
Second, you can't just say there are more dimensions, you have to be able to demonstrate it in some way.

"He just cannot grasp that nature creates NO codes. Us humans apply the codes, letters, words, names, etc. to provide a framework in order to better understand the complexities of nature."

Precisely, and of course this would make all codes natural anyway, certainly in the sense he is applying the word natural here, since they are derived from a product of evolution namely humans.

What we have no evidence for and he has failed to demonstrate any evidence for is any intelligence that creates codes outside of The natural material universe.

He is and has been from the start using argumentum ad ignorantiam fallacies, or God of the gaps arguments to try and reverse the burden of proof. Implying firstly that DNA is a code, and secondly that it couldn't occur naturally.

Of course when he's asked to evidence this last assertion he can't, but can onlycrepeat his argument from ignorance fallacy by challenging anyone to fulkyvevidence how DNA originated. Hence a gap in scientific knowledge he's trying to insert his fictional deity into.

A clear example of irrational such arguments are is tgat you can replace his deity with literally anything and the arguments can't rationally be any less valid. This means if it were valid it would literally evidence anything you wanted it to.

Intelligence is required to create codes, human intelligence didn't create DNA. Therefore it required a greater intelligence, therefore omniscient Pixies created DNA.

Not very compelling is it, but try getting him understand the argument is no different rationally if you change Pixies to a deity. It's still can argument from ignorance fallacy either way.

I've ignored nothing, it was your OP and I answrted it precisely, as have many others. No surprise you've ignored the answers as they're not the goddidit with magic assumption you're looking for.

"What other then intel is capable of this?"

I don't know what you mean, but if you're bas8ng any assertion on not knowing this answer, then by definition that is argumentum ad ignorantiam fallacy.

Now...what objective evidence can you demonstrate that anything more than the physical material universe exists?

Can you cite a single example of a code created outside of that natural material universe, and demonstrate objective evidence for the claim with a precise and detailed explanation how you claim this happened.

You still don't seem to grasp that disbelieving your completely unevidenced assertion for a supernatural deity creating everything using unexplained magic, is not a claim or assertion.

Atheism is the lack of a belief in a deity or deities, it is not an opposite belief or claim.

Science only asserts as valid what it can objectively demonstrate empirical evidence to support.

The existence of the natural material universe, that all living things evolved, the existence of evolved intelligent or sentient animals including human animals, the existence of purely natural phenomena, these are all objective facts.

Codes are just a human concept, as arakish has explained multiple times. They're no more objectively real than other human concepts like money, we create these things as tools to help us understand and function in the reality of the material world and universe.

If we don't knowing something exists as it does, then rationalky we can assert nothing from this ignorance.

I have called them codes from the start, so this latest lie is as baffling as the rest of your verbiage? The post you're responding to has the word code in at least 4 times?

"Fact is ,order of nucleotides is arbitrary and you have no explanation for them"

Correct but moot, since I never claimed to have an explanation for them, what's your point?

"I also see you stating evolution as a fact, and this is something you’ve observed?"

Learn to read then, as I said scientific fact, and science has observed evolution yes, and you havve been given multiple links to the research.

Did you observe a deity create everything/ How about virgin births, or resurrection of Jesus, did you observe any of those? Nice double standard you are creating.

Species evolution through natural selection is an objective scientific fact, denying this in light of the scientific evidence is no different to the denials and claims of flat earthers.

Now one more time as you keep ignoring it:

Once again here is the original claim from the OP:

J N Vanderbilt III
"The point here is that codes are ONLY created by intelligence."

You mean humans, unless of course you can demonstrate any objective evidence for a single code created by an intelligence other than human?

So humans create codes. Is that your point all along? If so I concur. Anything else is fallacious assumption.

@jnv3
Since you have avoided my questions about objective evidence for god, that means your god is not real.