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Ok. So what are you trying to convey with this?
@Johan
My last post was to another believer trying to argue god into existence.
You have made a lot of claims in your post, but have not been able to support any of them with proof .
That you have found a god of love is wonderful for you. I'm sure it gives you joy and purpose.
But, no thank you, I have no desire to chat to you or any other theist about his or her personal experiences with god or about their basic beliefs.
This is an atheist forum. The majority of our members were originally believers, usually in one of the Abrahamic faiths. Many of us have experienced the kinds of things you claim. Yet each of us came to the same place of disbelief, often after many years of study and at times, deep distress..
To become an atheist is not usually a thing of caprice. Nor for most of us was it a decision, rather an inevitable conclusion.
People such as yourself come here on an almost daily basis, insisting on spraying us with the same drivel. My perception of you and others of your ilk is of staggering ignorance and hubris .
I don't especially like to be patronised at any time, and really don't like being patronised by some stranger and his empty religious platitudes.
I have nothing more to say to you.
Have a nice day
Ok. No problem. I would have liked you to stay with me but Love does not force. It has to be accepted or rejected. I will wait on you. We all make mistakes in live. Then we just correct them. No big deal.
@mrspiritual
Well, I love many things...mostly all real. I love some fictional things, I love, the catcher in the rye...a fictional book...but I can differentiate that the book is fictional and not real.
Love occurs in your brain, due to neurochemical reaction to things you physically encounter. It is not a thing that is initiated magically. As gods do not physically exist and void of any objective evidence, your love is based on a fictional book. That, Does not, Make a gawd, Real.
The fact that you can not differentiate this, and believe in something that has zero objective evidence in reality, tells me you fail at basic human reason.
ROTFLMAO.
That sir, is the end of debate...
...unless you have some demonstrable objective evidence of your version of a gawd.
Ok. I did give some evidence of Him in previous posts. Where He actually picked up the pieces of my life and gave me a Spiritual Life in the place of my physical one that religion broke in thousands of pieces. And i am now bringing my Spiritual Life to you to observe and to decide on.
ROTFLMAO.
What part did you not understand about providing objective evidence of your version of a gawd? You have provided no objective evidence of your version of a gawd anywhere on this thread. Do you even know the functional difference between subjective and objective evidences? Sure doesn't sound like it. Still waiting for your objective evidence of your version of a gawd. Won't be holding my breath long.
I am truly sorry you are failing at the basic human trait of reason, but that's your issue, as pointed out.
LOL.
The changing of my life from having no life to what i have now is evidence seen and accepted by those witnessing it.
https://www.facebook.com/johan.abrahams.50767/posts/119300116436776?comm...
I do admit it is more difficult for you to see it in a post.
But the deeper Life of God is actually in our Souls. Where God change our Souls to become part of His Spiritual Family. And in this case Mother and Son existing together in God's Family with Him as the Creator and Father of it.
https://twitter.com/Mpiras3/status/1216070915529879552
https://twitter.com/johanabrahams2/status/1217347544990277632
OMG!!!! Self PROMOTION much?!?!?!
Fuck you are an arrogant “look at me” dipshit!
Edited to add: I have not “clicked” to look at pictures (that tell a story you want to show)... and until you answer the basic questions, one of which is WHICH DEITY (see attached pic). BTW the picture doesn’t prove any existence just like your pics don’t prove your “love” claims
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Nope. God promotion. I clearly stated that my "self promotion" came to an end. In thousand pieces. Done by religion. Now I am a Godly Creation. I am just giving myself as evidence to you to see what God did with me when i gave myself to Him.
And the "deity that exists" is of course the One with Love to the humans. The one calling Himself our Father. The One that is prepared to give us the Same Life as He has. Not keeping His Life for Himself and leaving humans stuck with inferior Lives. But picking them up and telling them. I am now your Father. You are born of me and also a God. I give you everything I am and have. You have to grow up now to become my Equal.
And now I can Love you as He does. The "fucked arrogant dipshit" Loving you as My Son, Jesus.
https://twitter.com/Mpiras3/status/1187456957772423169
@Johan . “I am just giving myself as evidence to you to see what God did with me when i gave myself to Him.”
Bullshit. Self-promotion wrapped into god delusions. My Facebook page is my “evidence” for my life without a belief in god. In my “world” it is verrry loving and joyful, and peaceful and “natural” and friendly ...also confrontational, responsible, emotional - ahhhh, you know...a human life.
Soooo...you are god??? (Last part of delusional drivel)...and I’m “Jesus” your son? And all these people are Your Children??? Holy fucktard, Batman!!!
The difference is that you are a very "good" man. And you created yourself. And you are exhibiting yourself and how "good" you are for everybody to honor you. That is pride.
I admit I am bad. I tried to be good but I messed up. So I allowed God to make something of me. Anything that you might notice that is "Good" is a capital. It is God. He did it. That makes me humble.
God made me a Mother. To be someone to them. To allow for them to have a Family with a Mother. Just like Paul was.
To give birth to His Children.
Gal. 4
19 My little children, of whom I travail in birth again until Christ be formed in you,
1 Cor. 4
14 I write not these things to shame you, but as my beloved sons I warn you.
17 For this cause have I sent unto you Timotheus, who is my beloved son, and faithful in the Lord, who shall bring you into remembrance of my ways which be in Christ, as I teach every where in every church.
And to feed them as a Loving Mother should.
1 Cor. 3
1 And I, brethren, could not speak unto you as unto spiritual, but as unto carnal,even as unto babes in Christ.
2 I have fed you with milk, and not with meat: for hitherto ye were not able to bear it, neither yet now are ye able.
Exchanging human worship life for True Love in God's Family.
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=101944621505659&set=a.1019446481...
We all live in a Family where we died for one another. God died to save us from dead human existence and to give birth to us as our Father in His resurrection. I died to my life as a reverend in the Dutch Reformed Church to be the Mother they need. As a Family without a Mother is a broken Family. This can easily be seen in the divisions and strive in the various church religions and organizations. And they have to die to who and what they perceived themselves to be too. To be born again into God's Family. In the best Name there is. Jesus. This sacrifices of us is what is creating this Love. We died for "one another"
You call it "Holy fuctard Batman". But of course you are entitled to your opinion and your choice. Love never force. Love has to be accepted. But for this to happen there has to be another choice. Your human existence in your cold intellectualism in dead Adam life.
@Johan... when your God is speaking through you (as you claimed previous post) uh, He didn’t direct you to my profile (you know to peek at) or whisper it in you ear - I AM A WOMAN
Re: “you are a very "good" man.”
...and...”Your human existence in your cold intellectualism in dead Adam life.”
That brain that evolved...is this what you speak of? That “grey matter” that is human thought (intellect).
“Adam” as described in your “book” written by “god” did not exist.
@Whitefire
" I AM A WOMAN"
Thanks for telling me something about yourself. This is what Relationships are about. I am correcting you and you are correcting me. But Love is what counts. Our motivations in doing this.
Having mistaken you for a physical man is not a big deal with God. We are actually the same. And to God all His Children are also the same. Like in a human family too. Boys and girls are just the same to their parents. Seems they have a more Loving existence together than grown ups. As grown ups has a lot of "hiccups" about themselves and their gender.
Gal. 3
27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
"Adam” as described in your “book” written by “god” did not exist".
That is not the important part of Adam. But the other things said about Him. To help us understand life and why it is the way we perceive it to be.
@ Johan
Please define "love", and your "god".
You are uttering such confusing gibberish it is had to understand.
Sorry for the "gibberish". Humans tend to struggle to bring over their feelings.
Love is always a Feeling. Same with God. In this case the "God" is the One calling Himself Father. That Loves all and always. And in accepting Him as Father we become God too. Just the same as Him. Being born as His Baby God and having to grow up to be Equal. All of this are Spiritual or Feelings. Nothing is physical to be seen and experienced in physical life.
@ Johan
"Love is always a Feeling."
I am ignoring the rest of your post because it is gibberish preaching.
So your god is a feeling? Like the cold? Or an erection? Maybe indigestion? You need to offer a more precise and cogent definition.
Johan, you have constructed a fantasy world inside your head. You have your own internal logic and definitions, which are not available to others. Obviously, you understand what you are saying. But for an external observer, all that comes out of you is confused babble preaching.
@David Killens
Yep. We experience Him in the region of Feelings/emotions/spirit. He is a different Feeling from all human feelings. Even natural human feelings are also all different.
When we first meet with God we experience only one Feeling of Him. Maybe Joy or Peace or Love or Power or Glory or Excitement. But these Feelings are different in its intensity and duration. They can last very long. But as we want more because of enjoying it He starts to impart more. And then we start to learn more about them too. The why and how and reason etc. We grow over many years int. better understanding and experiencing God. I am already now 59 years into learning.
@spiritualsucker
Well, that was painful. Thanks for nothing. I am asking for objective evidence of your gawd. Thus far you have not produced any...nowhere on this thread is objective evidence of your gawd. With these last links, which are not objective evidence, you have shown that you do not know the difference between subjective evidence (which proves nothing) and objective evidence (which proves existence in reality). The picture below may help you to understand the difference.
Did you look at the picture? Your religious based cognitive dissonance, may not allow you to even look at the picture. You need to understand the difference between subjective and objective evidence to debate further. Look at it, and then provide objective evidence that your god exists.
Religious trolls will not even look at the picture below, because they are not here to debate, they are here to proselytize, not to debate.
Once you understand the difference in evidences, you may realize you are believing in something that does not exist in reality. Which is a distinct failure in reason.
In case you forgot...my question in response to your blind assertions that a gawd exists...is...
Please provide objective evidence that your gawd exists.
You need to answer this question, or we are not having a debate. I have asked this question four times thus far, without an answer.
You are up at bat.
BTW, solely based on our discussion, you seem to be either woefully uneducated to basic understanding, or delusional. I hope you understand my post above, so we can start to debate. I am truly sick of your prosetylizing.
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Ok. Seems you want to see a "physical God". That is of course not possible. God is Spirit/Feeling. He can not be seen. Reason being is that it will disturb the humans when those not interested in knowing Him knows He actually exists. So He stays away physically. As He Loves them and don't want to impose on their lives. So He only meets with those that want Him in their Lives. And a Spiritual meeting is just Experienced like love or anger or irritation or stress or fear. Only out of the actions of a person you can determine the feeling behind it. So you see many churches being built. Actions showing the Feeling that prompted the strange behavior. And when you ask them they said they want to worship the God they Feel.
So looking at your pic I would say like this. No objective evidence does not mean there is no "horrible pain".
@spiritualdelusion
OK then...I ask for objective evidence of your god, and you respond with...
"That is of course not possible. God is Spirit/Feeling. He can not be seen."
OK then...if he/she can't be objectively evidenced, as you state above...how do you objectively know that he/she exists? You respond with the following...
"So He only meets with those that want Him in their Lives. And a Spiritual meeting is just Experienced like love or anger or irritation or stress or fear."
So, let me get this straight, you know your god exists, because of feelings that you feel, (love, anger, irritation, stress, fear). OK...when I am irritated and angry because my neighbor wakes me up with his noisey lawnmower at 7am, that's god?
Because these are natural feelings that every human brain produces, and every human experiences, theists and atheists alike...How do you differentiate the feeling of your god, from the feelings that every human experiences with their brain?
Why would I attribute a feeling my brain produces, to a god? Especially seeing it could be acid reflux, and not a god?
When my boyfriend and I make love, and he makes me have an orgasm by handling my penis, the love I feel for him, is god?
How do you know these feelings are a god?
The first thing about God meeting with any human is when such a human is asking for Him. Wanting Him in his life. For who and what He is. They are basically expecting Him and He comes. And when He does the fact that they were expecting Him and the difference in Feeling is their evidence. They just know it with a certainty. It is the expecting and the difference with normal feelings and the intensity of it that gives certainty.
Acts 2
1 And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place.
2 And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting.
3 And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them.
4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.
12 And they were all amazed, and were in doubt, saying one to another, What meaneth this?
13 Others mocking said, These men are full of new wine.
14 ¶But Peter, standing up with the eleven, lifted up his voice, and said unto them, Ye men of Judæa, and all ye that dwell at Jerusalem, be this known unto you, and hearken to my words:
15 For these are not drunken, as ye suppose, seeing it is but the third hour of the day.
16 But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel;
17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh:
So, you say that your god exists because you have a feeling.
I say, all humans have these feelings, how do your god feelings differ from what everyone else feels.
You say...I just know it with a certainty.
Myself, and any other sane persons would say...just knowing it or feeling something, is not a certainty that a god exists.
Ok...in our conversations on this thread, I have just proven, by your own words, that you have no valid reason to believe in a god.
When asked for objective evidence of a god, you said there is none.
When I asked why you believe in a god, you said because I have feelings.
When I asked how do you differentiate your god feelings, from the same feelings everyone else naturally feels, you say, I just know my god is a certainty.
So, viola...you can not produce one sane valid reason for your beliefs...yet you still believe them...you are very deluded, you believe in a god without evidence...you might as well passionately believe in the tooth fairy as well...because at this point you seem to be living in a woo woo magic world...which is not part of reality.
You should seek professional help...to help you understand what is real and what is not...because you are having a hard time doing this on your own. If you tell me what city you are in, I will compile a list of professionals in your area, that can help you.
@doG
"So, you say that your god exists because you have a feeling".
Yep. That also with all the other evidence.
"You say...I just know it with a certainty."
Yep. together with the other evidence of course.
"Myself, and any other sane persons would say...just knowing it or feeling something, is not a certainty that a god exists."
Maybe others whose minds are not taken by an evil spirit that is reducing what i said by 50% will say something totally different.
After reducing it with 50% of what I said it is still of value. Amazing!
"So, viola...you can not produce one sane valid reason for your beliefs...yet you still believe them...you are very deluded, you believe in a god without evidence...you might as well passionately believe in the tooth fairy as well...because at this point you seem to be living in a woo woo magic world...which is not part of reality."
Building on 50% of what I said is just a waste of time. Your foundation has to be sound for the house to stand. Sorry. Go again try to bring in everything I said this time.
"You should seek professional help...to help you understand what is real and what is not...because you are having a hard time doing this on your own. If you tell me what city you are in, I will compile a list of professionals in your area, that can help you."
If you read my other posts you will see that this already happened twice. And every time I was diagnosed as perfectly sound.
The question is now this: Did you purposefully leave out what I already gave in this thread or did you selfishly read only what I posted to you? Both of course prove you to be in the wrong here. And you should correct your mistake.
Souls are a physical impossibility for the human body. So is prayer, for the same reason.
@doG
Sure. It is a New Creation by God.
You made an assertion and offered no evidence to back the assertion at all.
This dude is Homer's brother.
Personal experience means Jack Shit and that is all you have. I got a room full of mumbling retards in straight jackets, half believe they are God and the other half think they are Jesus, well, except for the guy who thinks he is Napoleon.
They all have personal testimony and they all have personal experiences. God told Timmy to rip off his penis, I kid you not, you would be amazed at how far a penis can be stretched.
Independent Verification is around for a reason. It keeps us all from doping off the deep end, like some folks around here.
You agree that i have provided evidence to my Life.
What is important now is the fact that nothing you saw belong to me. I helped my Family to get the money to buy everything but I have not taken anything for myself. I still have no possessions of my own. While my Family enjoy all the available money. Buying for themselves nice houses, nice cars, nice clothes etc.
But I have an Existence. A Spiritual Existence. I am actually Enjoying the best of it all. My Family. They are more worthy of Joy than anything they buy. And my Joy is the greatest. It is in the same place where God finds His Joy. Not in our possessions but in us. Not Loving anything we have but Loving us.
Everyone have an idea of a good ole’ regular smile?
Then there’s this type of smile...
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Yep. I was smiling at my Son taking my photo for a more recent one. Our photos do tend to get old. But seems the reason for this person's smile was a greater one. We do need these kind of feelings that makes us act accordingly. It gives life to an otherwise cold intellectualism.
Lol “ cold intellectualism.”
Maybe for you... intellectualism has brought peace, balance, discernment...and protection (from “feeling predators” who gave up being intelligent)
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