ALTER2EGO -to- EVERYONE:
CREATION is the conclusion that the appearing of living things, each uniquely different, can only be explained by the existence of Almighty God Jehovah who designed and made the universe and all the basic kinds of life on the earth just as they are—with the ability for each "kind" of creature to produce variations of itself, up to a set point. The scientific evidence supports creationism. (Source: LIFE--How Did It Get Here? By Evolution or by Creation? Pages 10-11)
ORGANIC/BIOLOGICAL EVOLUTION THEORY is chained to abiogenesis theory (the belief that organic life resulted from non-life spontaneously). Charles Darwin’s Macroevolution theory is based on the unproven claim that every organic being that ever inhabited Earth came from a single common ancestor.
When asked how organic life came from non-life by itself (abiogenesis), atheists have no credible answer. So they try to bypass that critical step by claiming evolution has nothing to do with how the "common ancestor" came to life. If they show up in this thread, you will see them doing what amounts to the usual song and dance along that line.
POINTS FOR DISCUSSION:
QUESTION #1. Just like Charles Darwin, the modern-day evolution scientific community asserts that every single organic being that has ever existed came from one single common ancestor (macroevolution). If that is the case, why is there no evidence within the fossils record that supports macroevolution?
QUESTION #2. The premise of biological/organic evolution is the "survival of the fittest," that older versions of a creature disappear whenever a more advanced version evolves. The claim by evolutionists is that humans evolved from apes. In that case, why is it that apes continue to exist along with humans?
QUESTION #3. How did the supposed common ancestor come to life by itself (abiogenesis) so that evolution could then proceed?
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"That people may know that you, whose name is JEHOVAH, you alone are the Most High over all the earth." ~ Psalms 83:18
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Why do you need to ask questions of fallible humans in order to confirm your own beliefs?
KATACLISMIC:
Why do you need to ask questions of fallible humans in order to confirm your own beliefs?
ALTER2EGO:
See below.
Go to Amazon. Buy 'The Selfish Gene' by Richard Dawkins. Read it. When you know something, come back.
Were you born yesterday ?
These questions you asked have been answered long ago.
Your questions and statements show a tremendous lack of education.
How about reading some books other than the bible ?
Here are 10 questions about God for you to answer. How could it be that the creator of the Earth, the Sun and the Moon and of all living things is so deficient in communications skills?
1. When Yahweh explained the setup of the Universe and the place of humans in it to Moses, He did not mention that although He punished the human race with death for their ancestor's disobedience, men also had souls to which the death sentence did not apply. Why did He not mention that?
2. The blessed in Heaven are happy and free. However, they are not allowed to make even one long-distance call to their loved ones. Why?
3. Abraham was the man most honored by Yahweh, despite lapses such as lying to Isaac about the intended sacrifice, and to a host about Sarah not being his wife, which made the host assume it was OK for him to have sex with Sarah. The reason for Abraham's exalted position: he was willing to butcher his innocent son Isaac on Yahweh's command. Would Abraham have not been more worthy of the honor, and would he not have given a better example of family values, if he had asked Yahweh whether His lust for blood could be satisfied by having Isaac butcher him instead?
4. Speaking to Moses, Yahweh went into detail about the minutiae of the altar he wanted to be built and just how animals had to be killed for His enjoyment, but He said nothing about a fundamental part of the way the Universe is governed: his divine Son who should also be worshiped, but not by displaying to Him the death throes of animals because the Son has no taste for that. Can you explain how Yahweh could have failed to mention the associate ruler of the Universe to Moses?
5. Jesus came to teach us basic facts that Yahweh withheld from Moses, e.g., that the good will go to Heaven and the bad will burn in Hell after they die and that we should love our enemies, but Jesus did not say that He was divine and should be worshiped. All he said was that He was the Son of God, possibly the favorite son, but we are all sons of God. Why did Jesus not tell his followers that he was God?
6. The pagan world was greatly in need of enlightenment; for instance, they worshiped idols, and the First Commandment is that we must not do that. There were wise and virtuous men among the pagans who would have been receptive to the Truth; Socrates and Aristotle come to mind. Why did Yahweh not send anyone to enlighten the pagans before the Christian era? Why did He enlighten His chosen people and left all others, including your ancestors of that time, in the dark?
7. Native Americans had horrible misconceptions as to what deities wanted them to do. The Aztecs thought their god wanted them to butcher young men and women in their ceremonies and they did it, no doubt with great reluctance. Yet Americans were deprived of enlightenment for 1,500 years even after Christ completed his mission. If mere men can transmit news across the Atlantic in 10 milliseconds, why did it take God 1500 years to transmit news of the most important event since the Creation?
8. God choose the Spanish conquerors as bearers of His word to the Americas. Was it not unseemly for Jesus to use such ambassadors, and was it not an unfair handicap for the natives to have to perceive the Truth coming from the mouths of murderous, thieving invaders?
9. After the Israelites were rescued from Egypt, God ordered them to conquer Palestine and kill all the men, women and children or in some cases, all the people except virgin females whom they could legitimately rape. Why didn't Yahweh just add a small piece of land for the Israelites to dwell in to the Earth He had recently created, instead of having them slaughter all those people?
10. There have been countless millions of pious God-fearing people believing that the Pope is Christ's vicar on earth, and millions of others, just as pious, who believed there is no basis for this claim. There have been countless millions who believed Mohammed was God's prophet and others who believe he was an impostor. Pious, good people have been killing each other about these matters for ages. How could a benevolent God keep the answers to these questions to himself and watch the misery that results?
As a side note, Bible morals are nicely examined by Dan Barker in his newly published book "God-The Most Unpleasant Character in All Fiction." Biblical cosmology is nicely documented by David Presutta in his book "The Biblical Cosmos versus Modern Cosmology--Why the Bible is Not the Word of God." Whether it is science or morality, the Bible is a bit out of date!
Your ignorance, while highly entertaining, counts for nothing. Again, there is very little here that cannot be fixed by pursuing a basic elementary school education. I highly recommend it.
Sigh, the Jehovah's Witnesses are on the internet now!
KATACLISMIC:
Why do you need to ask questions of fallible humans in order to confirm your own beliefs?
ALTER2EGO:
As soon as you can present a logical explanation of how evolution's supposed "common ancestor" came to life by itself, you will have made a point. Telling me that I want to confirm my belief is simply your attempt at talking your way around the problem of abiogenesis theory (life coming to life by itself), which the atheists rely on.
Well, guess what? News flash !!! Abiogenesis theory was debunked by Louis Pasteur almost 200 years ago. He proved by experiments that life can only result from pre-existing life.
So tell us, how did the common ancestor come to life by itself, since the atheist claim is that there is no Jehovah?
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"That people may know that you, whose name is JEHOVAH, you alone are the Most High over all the earth." ~ Psalms 83:18 -- jw.org
Yeah, we didn't learn anything in the last 200 years.......Dickhead.
Alter2Ego - "He proved by experiments"
LOL
You're confusing spontaneous generation (debunked by Pasteur) with abiogenesis which is a legitimate field of scientific study. Your second error is believing that, just because we haven't yet answered the question of how life arrived, no scientific answer is possible. Your third error is assuming that just because science doesn't have a complete answer that you are justified in inserting your own answer--Jehovah. In effect, you are claiming, without the slightest evidence, that abiogenesis will not answer the question of origins in the next 1000 years! You need to study a college level textbook on biology so that you can understand what biological evolution is really all about. Otherwise, you are just attacking straw men.
NUTMEG:
Go to Amazon. Buy 'The Selfish Gene' by Richard Dawkins. Read it. When you know something, come back.
ALTER2EGO:
Oh, I know all about Dawkins' book "The Selfish Gene," the atheists' version of Mother Goose fairytales.
Dawkins claimed in his book, The Selfish Gene, that in the beginning, Earth's atmosphere was composed of carbon dioxide, methane, ammonia, and water. Through energy supplied by sunlight, lightening, and exploding volcanoes, these simple compounds were broken apart; then they formed into amino acids, some of which reached the sea and combined into protein-like compounds and became a lifeless "organic soup."
Then, according to Dawkins, a "particularly remarkable molecule was formed BY ACCIDENT" -- a molecule that had the ability to reproduce itself and cluster together--BY ACCIDENT. These molecules wrapped a protective protein membrane around themselves--BY ACCIDENT--and generated the first living cell from which the "common ancestor" of all living things eventually evolved. While admitting that this was EXCEEDINGLY IMPROBABLE, Dawkins insists that IT MUST HAVE HAPPENED.
And there goes your formula for abiogenesis, compliments of Richard Dawkins: a series of accidents that Dawkins himself admits were "exceedingly improbable" but which he insists "must have happened."
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"That people may know that you, whose name is JEHOVAH, you alone are the Most High over all the earth." ~ Psalms 83:18 -- jw.org
Time goes by, and goes by, and keeps on going by, so the improbable becomes inevitable. 4.5 billion years is a long time. You're an utter dickhead, insane from your stupid religion.
Time and chance, put together and left to go like a runaway train, will eventually lead to all even slightly probable possibilitys ocouring.
BOB:
Were you born yesterday ?
These questions you asked have been answered long ago.
Your questions and statements show a tremendous lack of education.
How about reading some books other than the bible ?
ALTER2EGO:
Telling me that the questions were answered "long ago," while you failed to present anything resembling an answer to any of my questions is proof positive that you have no answer.
And save us that bit about my "tremendous lack of education," because it should be obvious to anyone reading this thread by now you are dodging the issues that I raised in my OP.
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"That people may know that you, whose name is JEHOVAH, you alone are the Most High over all the earth." ~ Psalms 83:18 -- jw.org
Alter2Ego ......
Joy of joys....you're back......against all hope .... against all reason ..... against all logic .....you're back.....
and how are the Californian Jehovah s Witness's these days ...?
But I digress.... surely you have returned to respond to my late questions regarding the contradictions in "Isaiah" ....
But no!....
better yet ......... you have returned hot foot with fresh information on any EXTRA Biblical evidence for the Moses character .?
(http://www.atheistrepublic.com/forums/debate-room/proof-judeo-christian-...) post 46 onwards)
you are not open to reality. we do not debate people who are here for an ego stroke
Jehovah's Witness cultist.
Question 1 : DNA
Question 2 : My favorite " Who is Smarter than a Fifth Grader ?" question by creationists.
Question 3 : Not yet answered by science and irrelevant to evolutionary theory.
@Alter2Ego
I know from our previous encounter that you are a dishonest, biased and uncompromising person.
It would be nice for you to prove me wrong for a change.
That being said, I will waste my time to answer those questions for anybody else that might want to waste his time with what you wrote.
All your questions are irrelevant to the claim that your god exists or not and yet you seem to miss this point completely.
Proving 1 theory wrong does not mean another "theory" is right at all.
Can you at least acknowledge this logical fact, can you be honest enough with yourself to admit that?
We already know it.
Question 1 :
Unfortunately the fossil record we currently have is so incomplete that it doesn't support or contradict the hypothesis of macro-evolution.
Fossils are hard to create/find is the answer.
Question 2 :
Just because some of bacteria A evolved to become bacteria B under a particular environment, it does not mean that all bacteria A will stop to exist, some will evolve some may not.
To stop having bacteria A there must be something that kills Bacteria A and not Bacteria B.
Do you agree that evolution can occur without the need for every single bacteria A to evolve to bacteria B?
Question 3 :
We do not know yet, one of the hypothesis proposed is abiogenesis.
It is mature and honest to declare that you do not know when you actually do not know something.
Saying "god did it" when you do not know makes you look dumb.
We call it the "God of the Gaps" for a good reason.
If you go to a Christian Book store it is amusing to find a wide variety of Christian self help books. Especially Christian diet / weight loss books. The gaps are getting so narrow that Christians are needing to get very skinny to squeeze between them.
I think this just about sums this up:
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christian diet?
Here's one from Bishop T.D. Jakes : http://www.amazon.com/Lay-Aside-Weight-Control-Controls/dp/1577780353
And Jordan Rubin : http://www.makersdiet.com/
Thanks for the links chimp3, it is amusing how easy it is to make money off the gullible.
Why did that double post with different words?
Or, even this:
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