Searching for truth: Attempt number 8

If Islam is so bad, why aren’t all these “atrocities” that the lazy, ignorant and arrogant haters here bring up ever brought up by Scientists and scholars in a professional and educated debate against a Muslim scholar?

Your hypothesis is not valid, therefore it is false.

For a hypothesis to be legitimate, it should be clear, precise, and falsifiable. Your failure is entirely of your own creation. I would suggest that you do not determine what is true based purely on what you wish to be true.

You resorting to ad hominems and failing to offer evidence does not help your argument.

Searching for truth - Is that really your justification? lol you think something will happen so it keeps you from doing something. Sounds like fear to me but, do as you wish.

I can't tell what that is a response too.

Searching for truth: You said “I do not believe that Muslims should be tortured for believing that I should be tortured” you also mentioned torture a few times in the last few days. So let’s focus on torture for now.

"The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His messenger and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a disgrace for them in this world, and in the hereafter they shall have a grievous chastisement." - quran 5:33

Crucifixion is recognized under the United Nations Convention against Torture as torture. Crucifixion is torture in any context - and yet Islam says it is justified for Muslims to engage in it.

Can you tell me whether or not you consider me as waging war against Allah by saying that Islam is an immoral ideology?

"Indeed, those who disbelieve in Our verses - We will drive them into a Fire. Every time their skins are roasted through We will replace them with other skins so they may taste the punishment. Indeed, Allah is ever Exalted in Might and Wise." - quran 4:56-

'Someone asked, "O Allah's Apostle This (ordinary) fire would have been sufficient (to torture the unbelievers)," Allah's Apostle said, "The (Hell) Fire has 69 parts more than the ordinary (worldly) fire, each part is as hot as this (worldly) fire."' - Sahih Bukhari 54:487

Tormenting a being in a fire is torture as recognized under the United Nations Convention against Torture. In any context, tormenting a being in a fire is torture. And yet Islam endorses the torture of most people who have ever lived.

@ SfT

So who sets the rules here? Oh, of course you do....well in the words of the immortal...fuck off with your rules of debate. You don't answer questions, you ignore replies especially when accurate and on point. You avoid direct answers when confronted with Islamic scholars decisions on torture and punishments...basically you are a fucking pious fraud.
There will come a time when you will recognise yourself for what you are a: "wee cow'ring timorous beastie" trying to roar through a megaphone.
Because people actually answer you instead of an agenda driven presuppositionalism and insulting OP you get all huffy and pretend superior.
People here including myself have read and understood that pile of excrement you call the Qu'ran, I certainly have discussed the laws and traditions of Islam with scholars and holy men of the various sects and traditions of Islam. It is an appalling, medieval travesty of a life choice. To have your "religion of peace" you have to do what most moslems do...ignore at least half the damn book and either one or another set of Hadith. Which is precisely what you are doing , and have admitted to.

In short your have been intellectually dishonest, that's not a problem when dealing with us ( we have Breezy as a shining example), but you are dishonest with yourself. And that way will hurt you immeasurably.

And to answer your OP? who gives a flying fuck about scientist vs happy clappy fairy story researchers? Cant find a youtube or vimeo that suits you,well thats just fucking sad. Maybe any scientist with a brain cant be fucked t waste their time on bullshit from the 7th century. FFS man. get a life.

You haven't answered any questions since you came here, so this fairly hypocritical even by the standard of your posts thus far, which is saying something.

@ SfT

First you can shove your patronising "I thought you were smarter" up your clacker and fuck right off with it.

I was hoping you were smarter than to follow so slavishly this 7th century con trick. It is bullshit. It is a nasty, old man serving, misogynistic, cruel, hateful and a despicable religion. No better than the worst excesses of Catholicism or Calvinism. You have proved your ability to lie, ignore and gloss over the truth about Islam when you have been confronted by it and blindly repeated "a) we haven't read the qu'ran, or b) We haven't understood the Qu'ran or c) that's not what the book says, read the whole thing. Even when the fucking turgid shite has been directly quoted to you. Every. Single. Ignorant .Repetitive. Fucking. Time.

You're not debating, you are not searching, you are looking for confirmation of your sad life choices...you watched hundreds of hours of Youtube videos before you converted? For fucks sake, don't that say it all?....a youtube moslem. FFS. Facile, ignorant and lacking in basic life skills you are prime meat for any recruiter.

The thing is, you seem quite bright, with a great sense of humor, just sadly, very fucking stupid.

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