Darwinian Failure of Atheism - Richard Dawkins

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Darwinian Failure of Atheism - Richard Dawkins

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UH8dcjKDH44

Richard Dawkin claims the "sole reason for living" is propagating DNA. Atheist failure.

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chimp3's picture
The. Selfish Gene is Dawkins

The. Selfish Gene is Dawkins triumph. I am sure his life means more to him than that. He loves Schubert, his wife, his career, science , and has said so many times in public.
I love Dawkins books, science, my career, my children and grandson, and the awesome theory of evolution. I think of the selfish gene when I am in the woods and am in awe as to what those proteins without purpose have built up from scratch.

CyberLN's picture
Or when enjoying the ambrosia

Or when enjoying the ambrosia distilled from the malted fruit of the barley plant.

chimp3's picture
Amazing how trees evolved to

Amazing how trees evolved to become peat and help flavor that ambrosia.

ʝօɦռ 6IX ɮʀɛɛʐʏ's picture
Just remember that Stephen

Just remember that Stephen Jay Gould was an opponent of Dawkins lol. He disagreed with the Selfish Gene theory. Nature selects for phenotype, not genotype.

Alan Travis's picture
Hemoglobin consists of 574

Hemoglobin consists of 574 amino acids in a precise sequence. They are folded over in a profoundly complex matrix. Have you the slightest idea of the space of human hemoglobin? Any idea at all as to how it "built up from scratch"? If so, elaborate.

chimp3's picture
Let's see! My choices are

Let's see! My choices are random mutation and natural selection vs magic. I say random mutation and natural selection.

xenoview's picture
geniusisdisruptive

geniusisdisruptive
Atheism has nothing to do with Darwinism. Do you even know the difference between the two?

Alan Travis's picture
xenoview, your condescension

xenoview, your condescension is so tiresome and jejune. Try to grow up.
I'll help you.

http://TheEvolutionFraud.blogspot.com

xenoview's picture
geniusisdisruptive

geniusisdisruptive
All your link lead to was a word salad. Do you know the difference between Atheism and Darwinism?

LogicFTW's picture
ooo a blog as a citation.

ooo a blog as a citation. Damn GeniusIsDisruptive must be... a genius!!

Sarcasm incase the "genius" missed it.

algebe's picture
@LogicForTW: "Sarcasm incase

@LogicForTW: "Sarcasm incase the "genius" missed it."

He can't hear it. He has his fingers in his ears (a.k.a. the ignore list). BTW, there's a typo in your post, so your views are meaningless. You probably shouldn't be allowed to vote or drive. LOL.

LogicFTW's picture
Yeah, I purposely do not

Yeah, I purposely do not spell/grammar check my postings when addressing this guy.

Plus as long as people can understand what I say, I am not going to put too much effort into grammar on anonymous postings that probably won't sway the person I am debating anyways, no matter how much effort I put into proper grammar/spelling.

I suppose I could run my stuff through M$ Word and Grammarly would take but a few seconds.. But then it starts to feel like work, and I do not get paid to be here, this is where I go to relax or vent depending on my mood. I am not here to write at a professional level like I do for work when corresponding with clients.

Lee Wallace's picture
I remember Dawkins saying the

I remember Dawkins saying the Selfish Gene could have just as easily been called the Cooperative Gene.

As for how heamoglobin evolved, I've no idea whatsoever. But don't know only means don't know. Thus don't know cannot be seen as evidence for anything, let alone as evidence for a divine supernatural agent! So if by some mirical you did falsified the scientific theory of evolution you'd only get back to don't know.

Alan Travis's picture
"Mirical" (sic). Brilliant.

"Mirical" (sic). Brilliant. Misspelling one word two different ways. How can you atheists always brag and boast about your *intellectualism* when you write so very poorly so often? It's much easier to use proper middle school grammar than it is to discuss science.

By the way, where is it written that you MUST have an explanation for everything? The bottom line is that if an hypothesis doesn't work, it must be discarded. You don't hold on to it until you create some new and better hypothesis. That is how science works.
You didn't even know that, much less how to spell "miracle."

It isn't Christians who are always proclaiming their intellectual superiority. It's atheists. How embarrassing it should be to be corrected by someone you atheists always claim is so very STUPID.

Now as to hemoglobin, its space, or in other words, the number of alternative structures possible from 20 different amino acids in a chain 574 bases long is 20 to the 574th power. Only ONE is hemoglobin. And Richard Dawkins himself defines "impossible" as one chance in 10^40th power.

You don't get eternity or an infinite number of attempts to work Darwinian magic. Including possibilities of R vs. L amino acids, including possibilities of peptide vs. non-peptide bonds, the number of ways such a polypeptide could form is ~10^1,000th power.
Only 1 works. So it's 1 in 10^1000th power. Impossible hundreds of orders of magnitude beyond Dawkins' definition of "impossible."

But then again, he screwed up his books so terribly, why would anyone believe anything he says. Examples to follow, most particularly his monkeys typing Shakespeare. What an ignorant joke.

chimp3's picture
Yes! The monkeys typing

Yes! The monkeys typing Shakespeare is a good analogy for random mutation and natural selection. If they type T and it stays selected and next they type O. Now we have "To". Eventually we can get "" To be or not to be!".

xenoview's picture
Here we go again with the

Here we go again with the grammar nazi. Crying over a misspelled word.

LogicFTW's picture
This "genius" guy certainly

This "genius" guy certainly likes to point out his supposed intellectual superiority every chance he gets. In his name, in pointing out others grammatical and spelling errors, posting logic puzzles he copied from else where, etc.

I wonder if he is trying to compensate...
Psychological projection perhaps?

ʝօɦռ 6IX ɮʀɛɛʐʏ's picture
...unless a Christian doesn't

...unless a Christian doesn't know something, then magically their inexperience becomes ignorance and proof of their blind belief lol.

Lee Wallace's picture
//""Mirical" (sic). Brilliant

//""Mirical" (sic). Brilliant. Misspelling one word two different ways. How can you atheists always brag and boast about your *intellectualism* when you write so very poorly so often? It's much easier to use proper middle school grammar than it is to discuss science."\\

Spiffing - you think a few typos means you can extrapolate out and stereotype all atheists. Well, sorry to burst your bubble, but not all atheists are dyslexic!

//"By the way, where is it written that you MUST have an explanation for everything? The bottom line is that if an hypothesis doesn't work, it must be discarded. You don't hold on to it until you create some new and better hypothesis. That is how science works.
You didn't even know that, much less how to spell "miracle.""\\

I didn't assert that yoy must have an explanation for everything. What said was don't know can only mean don't know. So if as you say a hypothesis or scientific theory is shown not to work we only go back to not knowing. Thus my point stands.

//|It isn't Christians who are always proclaiming their intellectual superiority. It's atheists."\\

Yes some atheists do that, but it's not unique to atheists, many theists do that. In-fact you've just done it in this post I'm responding to. After all you started out be questioning my inability to spell & use middle school grammer.

//"How embarrassing it should be to be corrected by someone you atheists always claim is so very STUPID."\\

You assume to much. I don't assume anyone is stupid. Plus I'm dyslexic thus have no problem with people correcting my spelling / grammar. In-fact I'm happy for people to do so.

//"Now as to hemoglobin, its space, or in other words, the number of alternative structures possible from 20 different amino acids in a chain 574 bases long is 20 to the 574th power. Only ONE is hemoglobin. And Richard Dawkins himself defines "impossible" as one chance in 10^40th power."\\

Impossible without a blind watchmaker. So, well, not impossible.

//"You don't get eternity or an infinite number of attempts to work Darwinian magic. Including possibilities of R vs. L amino acids, including possibilities of peptide vs. non-peptide bonds, the number of ways such a polypeptide could form is ~10^1,000th power.
Only 1 works. So it's 1 in 10^1000th power. Impossible hundreds of orders of magnitude beyond Dawkins' definition of "impossible.""\\

I say again not with a blind watchmaker.

//'But then again, he screwed up his books so terribly, why would anyone believe anything he says. Examples to follow, most particularly his monkeys typing Shakespeare. What an ignorant joke.''\\

You don't need to believe his books. At this stage I question if you've actually read them. But its not the books that you should look at but the evidence he cites.

Alan Travis's picture
“I don’t know who it was

“I don’t know who it was first pointed out that, given enough time, a monkey bashing away at random on a typewriter could produce all the works of Shakespeare.” – Blind Watchmaker, page 46

It simply does not get any more anti-intellectual than this. Dawkins himself defines “impossible” as 1 chance in 10 to the 40th power.

A typewriter has more than 80 different characters, counting punctuation, upper case, and numbers. 1/80 x 1/80… fifty times = 1 chance in 10 to the 95th power, utterly impossible for even a short sentence.

“An ancient animal with 5% of an eye . . . used it for 5% vision.” – Ibid, page 81

Many people all over the world are blind despite having far more than 5% of an eye.

“ . . .it is possible for a marble statue to wave at us. It could happen....It is theoretically possible for a cow to jump over the moon with something like the same improbability.” – Ibid, page 160

Marble statues waving, and cows jumping over the moon. “It could happen”! It’s just anti-science.

“A1>A2. B1>B2" – Ibid, page 171

Alphabetology is not science. It’s Dawkins.

Elsewhere in his books, Dawkins can't even label a prism correctly. He has the refraction backwards.
There is no need to, in Dawkins' own words, "multiply up examples." These will do and are utterly and inexcusably ignorant.
Of course there are many more like them, for Dawkins, for Carl Sagan, for Isaac Asimov, for Leftists.

"Sex was invented." - Carl Sagan, in his complete sentence (Cosmos, page 338)

But sometimes Sagan gets it right:

“Science is not only compatible with spirituality, it is a profound source of spirituality.” - (Demon Haunted World, Carl Sagan, page 29

Lee Wallace's picture
If quote mining is all you've

If quote mining is all you've got, well, then you've got nothing!

Lee Wallace's picture
If quote mining is all you've

If quote mining is all you've got, well, then you've got nothing!

chimp3's picture
“I don’t know who it was

“I don’t know who it was first pointed out that, given enough time, a monkey bashing away at random on a typewriter could produce all the works of Shakespeare.” – Blind Watchmaker, page 46

I read the entire book twice. Your cherry picking does not refute the chapter from which you quote. I stand convinced of the facts of evolution and your pitiful rantings do not diminish Dawkins in any way. You, Sir, are no scientist.

Alan Travis's picture
Why don't you cite some

Why don't you cite some Scriptures for everyone, Einstein. You godless atheists love doing that.
When you have nothing rational and reasonable to say, you spout off with an inane Talking Point, such as "quote mining."

chimp3's picture
I quoted the Dawkins quote

I quoted the Dawkins quote from your post. I read the entire chapter twice. Your critique of the quote is out of context.

Alan Travis's picture
IF I cited something "out of

IF I cited something "out of context," you would have PROVEN your assertion.
Since you godless atheists are so big on PROVING everything, why didn't you PROVE that I took Dawkins out of context?

You didn't because I correctly cited him. Your flimsy accusation is baseless and meaningless.

chimp3's picture
See my post as of 03/31 at 04

See my post as of 03/31 at 04:40 this AM. Next page.

xenoview's picture
You wanted scripture's cited,

You wanted scripture's cited, here is one you need to learn from.

Matthew 7:1-3King James Version (KJV)

1 Judge not, that ye be not judged.

2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.

3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?

curtisabass's picture
Wow, so angry. Chill, bro.

Wow, so angry. Chill, bro.

chimp3's picture
Decaf might help his jag.

Decaf might help his jag.

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