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isobel: I don't know why you are on a debate forum if you are not here to debate.
its actually just an atheist forum where people debate and ask questions and have discussions
Isobel: You actually posted in the Debate Forum.. That is why you had to choose the Debate Forum in order to post! But, I can see now that you have joined in the fracas! So, Welome to the Debate Forum!
I would be happy to help
i would love to interview u! just pm me whenever u get the chance!
Though atheists may hold beliefs, it is incorrect to describe atheism as a belief. The primary definition of atheism is the absence or lack of belief in a deity or deities.
straight up.... its not lol. i already said the dictionary definition.
Wrong.
A very quick Google search brings up ... atheist ... a person who disbelieves or lacks belief in the existence of God or gods.
Pull your head out of your ass young lady, you are engaging intelligent adults who don't tolerate such nonsense.
i've addressed this useless topic time and time again. i'm done with it. its just a waste of time.
@Isobel " i would like to hear a significant change from the original manuscripts and translation to todays versions of the Bible"
There are NO original manuscripts. NONE. All we have are copies of copies that are based on copied copies that have been copied and recopied again. You should go to YouTube and watch a lecture by Bart Erhman, Who wrote the bible. He is a Biblical Historian and a Christian and one of the only Christians I know that actually tells the truth while also being a believer.
If the Bible actually is the "Word of God" We don't have it.
Cognostic,
It's worse than that! Large portions of the Bible, especially in the Old Testament but not limited to it, have evolved over time. There NEVER WAS an original in any meaningful sense!
first of all, me being a Christian, i assume God's divinity, and im pretty sure he would preserve the true meaning of his word. why would he want to trick us. that seems counter intuitive. secondly, by original manuscripts, i meant wherever the copies of the copies of the copies etc started. they had to start somewhere.
"first of all, me being a Christian, i assume "
That's no use to me sorry, you can assume anything, that means nothing at all, and tells us nothing about the claim.
"why would he want to trick us."
This is rather begging the question, but for the sake of argument why wouldn't he? If a deity can do anything, has created a world with ubiquitous suffering, is happy to commit genocide, and torture people even after they die and forever, then why wouldn't such a being trick us? Tricking us would be small coal after all that. For all you know this could all be a test to weed out the gullible and the superstitious, and it's atheists are going to be saved after they die.
Unevidenced assumptions are easy to make.
The bible tells us repeatedly that the mythological character God tricks people.
what? he doesnt trick people into not doing what he asks.
check your mythology:
1 Kings 22:22 - "I will go out and be a deceiving spirit in the mouths of all his prophets,’ he said.“‘You will succeed in enticing him,’ said the Lord. ‘Go and do it.’
2 Chronicles 18:21 - And he said, I will go out, and be a lying spirit in the mouth of all his prophets. And the Lord said, Thou shalt entice him, and thou shalt also prevail: go out, and do even so.
Ezekiel 14:9 - And if the prophet be deceived when he hath spoken a thing, I the Lord have deceived that prophet,...
2 Thessalonians 2:11 - For this reason God sends them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie
Genesis 22, god tricked Abraham into preparing to sacrifice his son.
a trick and a test r not the same. also, that was not to get Abraham to do something He didn't want him to do
"a trick and a test r not the same."
so you need to test your creation even though you already know what your creation is going to do??
isn't that stupidity?...of course you're all knowing almighty god why can't you not know of it?
your god really loves pranks..oh yeah like "jeptha". you know him right?
you haven't figured it out yet didn't you?think rationally please...
there you have it...no answer from the gods fucking descendants.. why do you come here if you avoid questions?
do you cherry-pick your bible isobel? be honest...don't be a moronic hypocrite like your teacher teaches you...!!!
do you think slavery is moral?? exodus 21
look dude, i'm not gonna respond to aggression. frankly, (like i have already stated) i don't have time to hang out on the thread and answer all questions. also, i wasn't trying to ignore u, i didn't even touch my computer all weekend except to turn in a test. this forum is not my life.
"i don't have time to hang out on the thread and answer all questions."
look lass, then why ask us to pm you and ask a question?
tests r for us, not Him. it furthers our self awareness, and helps us grow closer to Him.
as for jephthah, this article addresses the topic quite well
https://www.christiancourier.com/articles/1081-what-about-jephthahs-vow
Test, no test, that is irrelevant to the conversation. god did trick Abraham.
And by any standards it was nasty greasy psychotic and sadistic trick.
I don't know why you continue to bend your knee to such a sick deity.
Have you ever considered the option that the enticement of heaven is just another trick, that god has no plans for anyone to enjoy eternity, but it's just another very sick trick?
isobel,
"a trick and a test r not the same. also, that was not to get Abraham to do something He didn't want him to do"
According to the biblical fairy tale when Yahweh does such tricks or tests people are supposed to be smart enough to tell Yahweh to go screw himself. But the crazy old coot was so greedy for personal fame and fortune that he sold his soul (if the creep had one) to personally enrich himself. He was a truly despicable person. Anyone who worships the deity he worshiped is insane.
If people ate from the tree of knowledge of good and evil why are they so damn stupid?
@Isobel
Does overriding someone's free will count as trickery? "And the Lord hardened the heart of Pharaoh," Exodus 9:12 reads. "And he hearkened not unto them; as the Lord had spoken unto Moses."
How about using someone as a plaything? A chew toy? Job certainly was.
@Isobel ....
" i would like to hear a significant change from the original manuscripts and translation to todays versions of the Bible"
Virgin Birth.
“Matthew” maintains that 'Isaiah' had prophesied that Jesus would be born of a virgin: " Behold, a virgin will be with child, and will bring forth a son, and they will call his name Emmanuel," – Matthew 1.23.
Matthew's source is the Septuagint (Isaiah 7.14). But the Greek-speaking translators of this version of Hebrew scripture (prepared in 3rd century BC Alexandria) had slipped up and had translated 'almah' (young woman) into the Greek 'parthenos' (virgin).
Honestly translated, the verse reads:
'Behold, the young woman has conceived — and bears a son and calls his name Immanuel.'
Not quite as impressive as a virgin is it…?
But it is verifiable … check this link for the Hebrew version …
http://www.chabad.org/library/bible_cdo/aid/15938
or this one....
http://www.mechon-mamre.org/e/et/et1007.htm
The slip did not matter at the time, for in context, Isaiah’s prophecy (set in the 8th century BC but probably written in the 5th century BC) had been given as reassurance to King Ahaz of Judah that his royal line would survive, despite the ongoing siege of Jerusalem by the Syrians.
And it did.
In other words, the prophecy had nothing to do with events in Judaea eight hundred years into the future!
Yet upon this doctored verse from Isaiah the deceitful scribe who wrote Matthew was to concoct the infamous prophecy that somehow the ancient Jewish text had presaged the miraculous birth of Jesus.
i have had requests to post some of the questions here on the thread as a preview sort of to the interview. i cannot promise i will record all the answers here, but if u wish to participate fully, u can pm me. here's the first question:
how did u become an atheist, and were u ever a Christian?
Isobel, you asked, “how did u become an atheist, and were u ever a Christian?”
I became an atheist by being born.
I have never been a Christian.
Hey there, Isobel. Just in case you don't see it on the other thread, I would be interested in answering your interview questions. (I admit I am skeptical, but my curiosity is worse than a cat"s.) Please feel free to PM me if you like.
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