Koran 9:5 "slay the idolaters"

Koran 4: 74 "Let those fight in the way of Allah who sell the life of this world for the other. Whoso fighteth in the way of Allah, be he slain or be he victorious, on him We shall bestow a vast reward"

Koran 5:32-33 "whosoever killeth a human being for other than manslaughter or corruption in the earth, it shall be as if he had killed all mankind... The only reward of those who make war upon Allah and His messenger and strive after corruption in the land will be that they will be killed or crucified" Corruption of the earth is referring to those who reject Allah and Mohammed.

Koran 5:72 "They surely disbelieve who say: Lo! Allah is the Messiah, son of Mary. The messiah said: O children of Israel, worship Allah, my Lord and your Lord. Lo! whoso ascribeth partners unto Allah, for him Allah hath forbidden paradise. His abode is the Fire. For evil-doers there will be no helpers."

Koran 9: 36 "wage war on all the idolaters"

May I ask if you have read the Qur'an in its entirety? It just seems bizarre that for you to classify yourself as a Muslim, you are either completely oblivious to the warmonger Mohammed or pretending to be unaware of the atrocities in the Qur'an. I assure you that there are many many more quotes promoting violence in this piece of hate literature.

You misunderstand, the quotations I used are not abrogated but the ones you have used to disprove mine are. You decide to quote the verses 9:4 and 9:6 but fail to mention 9:5. I wonder why... Oh wait, 9:5 states: "Then, when the sacred months have passed, slay the idolaters wherever ye find them, and take them, and besiege them, and prepare for them each ambush."

As for 9:6, the verse 9:26 states: "Then Allah sent His peace of reassurance down upon his messenger and upon the believers, and sent down hosts ye could not see and punished those who disbelieved. Such is the reward for disbelievers." So much for protecting those who feared Mohammed's lust for violence...

As for your quote from 4:75, we can quite clearly see that Allah is not referring to the oppressed as a whole, but of the oppressed Muslims, for example, 4:76: "Those who believe do battle for the cause of Allah; and those who disbelieve do battle for the cause of idols. So fight the minions of the devil."

Linking to the above point, the 4:89 states "They long that ye should disbelieve even as they disbelieve, that ye be upon level. So choose not friends from them till they forsake their homes in the way of Allah; if they turn back then take them and kill them wherever ye find them, and choose no friend nor helper from among them".

"idolatry and worshipping the creations is a grave sin in Islam. But those sins have no worldly punishments in Islam, only after-life consequences, which need not bother anyone who doesn’t believe in it." Are you even aware of Sharia Law? It explicitly states that apostasy is punishable by death, that means that anybody who leaves Islam to become either an atheist or follower of another religion is permitted to be killed! You can't even marry somebody who follows another religion/is an atheist. You are an absolute insult to all your brothers and sisters who are forced to follow Islam due to the fear of apostasy. You are once again demonstrating taqiyya.

"So there you stand". Just like everybody else who has to suffer and 'tolerate' your disgusting and vile religion, I am angry. And I have every single right to be. But unlike some cowards who wont stand up against you, I will and I will continue to inform anybody who denies Islam as a religion of war, the true doctrines of Islam.

I would argue that NO religion can coexist peacefully. All religions believe that they hold the "truth" and that all believers should indoctrinate all non-believers. I can only speak about the Bible as that is the holy book I know the most, but in it it advocates the murder of heathens, I am reliably told the Qu'ran says the same. All the religions, particularly the Abrahamic ones, promote intolerence and bigotry. Even religions which I thought were peaceful can ve used for hate. Buddism for example I thought was a religion that preaches non-violence and tolerance, but even with this religion you get extremists in Myanmar killing Muslims.

There is a lot of killing involved on something that is so important to people, but is yet be proven. It is like one saying I heard;
Religion is all about killing each other to find out who has the best imaginary friend.
It is all B.S.

Islam like Christianity, can not co-exist peacefully with itself.

Hello. This is a really nice forum.

One of the MAjOR problems that neighboring pagan Arabians had with Mohammad was that He tried to spread His religion to pagan Arabians, teaching ideas and making claims that were contradicted by the Bible and the Gospels of His day.
When Mohammad could not sell and market and gain support for His new religion, His revelations and new prophecy and His business was unable to sell, market and propagate. The Quran says that Mohammad’s business failed and His message was denied and rejected and He failed to persuade the leaders of the tribes to accept His revelatory, spiritual proclamations.

We find that Mohammad was teaching a religion to others who were not even familiar with any of His prophecies, revelations and spiritual claims, there were none of these previous scriptures existing, no known history of any Arabians, Ishmaelite / gentiles from Mohammad's family who were ever even historically worshiping the God Of Abraham.

And Mohammad's family were never even known to be the descendants of Ishmael. This REVELATION of His was only a prophetic, revelation and all spiritually conceived claims that Mohammad claimed to have received from a spiritual contact. Mohammad's message was not a historical accurate religion contained in the Gospels and Torah or history, but a perverted, twisted, deformed, distorted invalid message that failed and was denied as even being a valid religion of anyone on the planet.

The Prophet Muhammad created a gang, an army of forty male followers who acted as an army or military who manipulated and organized against others around them and when it turned violent Mohammad attacked His fellow Arabian people by destroying 360 idols that were kept inside the Kaaba in Mecca.

These Meccan Arabians had no history or association in their history or present lives that involved them in a covenant, contract, loyalty oath or pledge to anything involving the God Of Abraham or Mohammad.

Yet Mohammad violently smashed every single last Idol that they had and destroyed their livelihood and entrepreneurship and completely broke their economy and hit them with the most devastating blow that He possibly could. He destroyed their lives, property and destroyed their reputation, HISTORICAL ARTIFACTS and temple gods and He wrecked their entire business system, throwing the entire region into a heated conflict. From there onward the Arabians who tried to disband and break apart His terrorist activities were met with death and were murdered by the thousands.

The forum here has untruthful statements that have been left unchallenged and the fact is that Mohammad and Muslims did attack and did violently disrupt people’s lives who had never converted to Islam and these people were simply trying to protect their tradition, pagan religion and business while rejecting Mohammad and His revelatory prophecies.

Christiantiy:
6If thy brother, the son of thy mother, or thy son, or thy daughter, or the wife of thy bosom, or thy friend, which is as thine own soul, entice thee secretly, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which thou hast not known, thou, nor thy fathers; 7Namely, of the gods of the people which are round about you, nigh unto thee, or far off from thee, from the one end of the earth even unto the other end of the earth; 8Thou shalt not consent unto him, nor hearken unto him; neither shall thine eye pity him, neither shalt thou spare, neither shalt thou conceal him: 9But thou shalt surely kill him; thine hand shall be first upon him to put him to death, and afterwards the hand of all the people. 10And thou shalt stone him with stones, that he die; because he hath sought to thrust thee away from the LORD thy God, which brought thee out of the land of Egypt, from the house of bondage. 11And all Israel shall hear, and fear, and shall do no more any such wickedness as this is among you. (Deuteronomy 13)

And according to Jesus - "18 For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished."

The Koran has a different take on things:
Christians and Jews (who believe in only part of the Scripture), will suffer in this life and go to hell in the next. 2:85

Allah is an enemy to the disbelievers. 2:98

The Jews and Christians know damn well that the Muslims are right, so they try to make Muslims disbelievers because they envy the truth that they know the Muslims have. 2:109

Kill disbelievers wherever you find them. If they attack you, then kil them. Such is the reward of disbelievers. (But if they desist in their unbelief, then don't kill them.) 2:191-2

Don't believe anyone who is not a Muslim. 3:73

Christians and Jews must believe what Allah has revealed to Muhammad or Allah will disfigure their faces or turn them into apes, as he did the Sabbath-breakers. (See 2:65-66) 4:47

Have no unbelieving friends. Kill the unbelievers wherever you find them. 4:89

Christians are disbelievers for believing in the divinity of Christ. 5:17

Don't take Jews or Christians for friends. If you do, then Allah will consider you to be one of them. 5:51

NOW, ALL THINGS SAID AND DONE, I SEE NO REASON AT ALL THAT THESE TWO GROUPS CAN NOT SIT DOWN TOGETHER OVER A CUP OF TEA AND IRON THINGS OUT.. After all, both Islam and Christianity are religions of peace.

Islam is more monolithic with a more coherent text than Christianity. as Christianity continues to diverge into more splinter groups all contradicting each other Islam grows bigger and stronger.

The Bible is simply equating the acts of the enemies of the Jews as serving other gods.
The other gods allowed and condoned and expected murder and violence and destruction from their followers.

While obeying the simple LAW of not endangering innocent people and not murdering and spreading diseases and sickness and not burning your child in a fire to the other god
WAS SIMPLY following the RULES of the god of the Bible.

Even though Atheists like myself may know that this God never really ever existed.

I apologize for the deception of my fellow Atheists who mockingly and ignorantly pretend that there are similar books like Deuteronomy and Leviticus in the Quran.
This foolish assumption is rampant among my atheist community as they ignorantly are never able to prove anything they claim and yet continue to spread their foolishness and deceptions.

My Atheist community is lying and or ignorant of Deuteronomy 13 and most of the Bible, in fact, they are simply not being honest or they are ignorant or probably both. As an atheist myself I have noticed that most of the Atheists community around the world is completely ignorant as they pretend to consent to the blind, ignorantly told falsehood that The Quran commanding finding the unbelievers and kill them wherever You find them is an equivalent or the same or similar commandments of the Bible in Deuteronomy 13.
The fact is that Jesus and the prophets of Old Testament times lived at a time when many plagues, diseases, sicknesses, cancers, disorders, epidemics and incurable problems existed in the region for which there were no remedies and prescriptions. There were no cures, no treatment, no modern tools and medicines at the Time Of Bible Days.

In the bible, they did not have medical treatments. Risky, knowing disease spreading and murdering behaving people had to be removed from society, especially if they were a danger to your family, sons and daughters and children and wives. There were risks of infection spreading to the food and water supplies. There were no hospitals, doctors or any antibacterial treatments. If the risky behaving people continue on and on to come near Your Family and city, endangering their lives! - You must take necessary action that prevents them from causing the disease to be spread to Your family and loved ones and also prevent the diseases from spreading to unsuspecting unknowing innocent children and other victims and families.

The prophets and wise, godly men – found that the best way is to be safe.
Once You catch a Virus, Germ, Disease, Infection or anything - You are finished. You are { Done }. - Your family and all others who You come into contact with are also doomed to suffer a life of horrible agony, suffering, and horrible pain - dying slowly from a plague or a disease or a virus or symptom.

Atheists disregard all of these facts. But in the Bible, there were no cures, nothing but a lifetime of suffering and agony, living in horrible pain.
As an atheist, I have read the Bible and The Quran and I look and see all of the other Atheists going around telling lies about the Bible and using the Quran to attack the Bible using Old Testament stories and passages and inventing a false narrative as they distort and completely change the story.

Atheists often ignore the entire picture of the passages and the sequence of events and the whole situations and historical environmental realities and they retell the Old Testament stories and verses of The Bible, adding untruths about what they say while they greatly subtract many important details of the passages.

For eXample many Atheists throw up alarms and great shock and hystericals about the stories of God commanding the Israelites to slaughter and kill whole cities of women and children. But the Atheists never mention the fact that the Israelites had been in a war with these people and were surrounded and outnumbered by neighboring cities and civilizations who were terrorizing and attacking the Israelites, from the time of Abraham, down to King Saul here in Deu 25.

Deu 25:17 Remember what Amalek did unto thee by the way, when ye were come forth out of Egypt; :18 How he met thee by the way and smote the hindmost of thee, even all that were feeble behind thee when thou wast faint and weary.

The Amelikites and other surrounding NATIONS were terrorists and here Deu 12 and 13 they also were at war with the Jews. The Deu 12 and 13 warns that the Jews Take heed and not be snared by following them because they commit every abomination to the LORD.

These abominations were committing BLOOD CRIMEs that were spreading sickness to innocent victims.

The Bible explains all of this is precise details, yet Atheists pretend that they are confused between the Quran and the Bible.

Atheists pretend that The entire book of Deuteronomy and Leviticus has not explained every single one of the details of the violent, evil behaviors of the neighbors of the Israelites who were allied against Israel and attacking them ...... for even their sons and their daughters, they have burnt in the fire to their gods. ....

Lev 18:3 ... ye not do: and after the doings of the land of Canaan, do not walk in their ordinances. Lev 18:7 INCEST - causing blood problems. - Lev 18:20 Adultery - causing blood problems. - Lev 18:21 BURNING Children in a fire.

Lev 18:22 HOMOSEXUALITY - causing blood problems. Lev 18:23 BEASTALITY - causing blood problems. Lev 18:25 And the land is defiled afflicted and raped.

The Hebrew word defiled here means literally affliction, torment, and rape.

So we have multiple cities of terrorists who are serving another god who commands and expects that they torture little children by killing and burning them in the fire to appease their gods. These people serving other gods do nothing but evil, violence and they defile, rape and terrorize everything around them - burning their little children in the fire, they are committing incest, bestiality, homosexuality and are filled with disease, danger, violence and terrorists whose entire cities are filled with people who are committed to destroying and raping and exterminating their neighbor. { Israel. }

If Atheists would look and see what The United States had to do when hit hard with massive attacks such as in WW ll - They would find that America killed millions of woman and children far exceeding any women and children that the Israelites were also forced to kill. Many Atheists who are dishonest or ignorant about the Bible mentioning this fact, through inversion Atheists always leave all of these verses out of the story and pretend that the Israelites themselves were the terrorists and were serving a terrorist ideology and God.
When it is nothing but the total and complete opposite. Many Atheists in effect are siding with the terrorists.

The Amalekites and other evil cities were filled with disease, germs, sickness, bestiality, homosexuality, child / murder sacrifice by heat and fire to the other gods.

Their entire eXistance revolved around raising their own children to make eternal, perpetual never-ending war and an absolute violent terroristic extermination campaign upon the Israelites. Killing the women and children was the last resort and only solution that the Israelites had after 400 years of being attacked, terrorized, assailed and physically, violently assaulted by these Amalekites and their surrounding neighbors.
The Bible explains all that the Amalekites and their neighbors had done and who they were and why The Israelites were forced to completely end their reign of terror that had lasted for 500 years of nothing but attacks and violence upon the Israelites as these enemies determined to eXterminate them and destroy them. This defense was the only possible chance of survival that the Israelites had as they were surrounded and attacked from all sides and greatly, greatly outnumbered by the most violent, brutal, evil, perverted and cruel people that have ever been known to have existed.

The Bible clarifies how that the Israelites were attacked without mercy by all of their neighbors. If Atheists can also acknowledge that the Israelites were up against the entire forces of the Middle East and greatly, greatly massively outnumbered and surrounded, as they were attacked them from the rear and their weak and old and sick and their women and children were being slaughtered.

The war against entire cities whose children and populations and civilizations were raised, trained and programmed to do nothing but attack and kill the Israelites created no other choice but to survive and destroying entire cities women and children of their enemies was the only way to survive and for their own Israeli children to have a future. The Bible is very, very clear. Their NEIGHBORS / enemies outnumbered them and were determined to exterminating them. The only choice that the Israelites had was to eXterminate them before they themselves were exterminated. The United States also, in its effort to survive and save lives of Americans also was forced to bomb entire cities, killing millions of civilians.
deceiving Atheists simply have no scriptures or facts for their faith and claims.
I also believe that Islam as a religion is incapable of understanding or identifying with these facts because Muslims nor Mohammad are physical descendants of Abraham. But rather the descendants of all of the surrounding neighbors of the Israelites.

Would My fellow Atheists be willing to wipe out a whole city whose inhabitants were spreading diseases, plagues, viruses and uncleanness and burning and torturing little children in the fire to serve a god ?

Would My fellow Atheists be willing to wipe out a whole city whose inhabitants were into bestiality, incest and other dangerous acts of bloody violence whereby their entire existence revolved around exterminating and violently wiping out the Atheist community with violence and bloodshed ?

To the Jews, the other gods represented all of the other neighboring nations who were constantly attacking and endangering and seeking to exterminate the Jewish people.
My fellow Atheists seem ok with Jews of Biblical times being endangered and terrorized and attacked on a daily basis.

And My fellow Atheists seem ok with the fact that the serving other gods meant and included committing acts that caused the diseases, plagues, viruses, infection, illness and sickness that wiped out thousands at a time.

The Bible places the Deuteronomy and Leviticus scriptures in this context, however, My fellow Atheist’s refuse and fail to show this context in the Quran. As the Scriptures details and explains the expectation of the god of the Bible and the expectation of the other gods and exactly why the Jews were not permitted to infect others with these diseases and murder and burn their children in fire and commit bestiality, incest, homosexuality and unclean unsanitary practices that were killing the servants of the other gods.

My fellow Atheists do not find any of this { the Deuteronomy and Leviticus } in the Quran. Yet as My fellow Atheists pretend to use the god of the Quran to destroy the god of the bible they only follow their own god that is the most self-destructive and ignorant deity that they can possibly image or conjure up while pretending it is fact and reality.

The Bible honestly laid out the facts of the realities of BLOOD CRIMES and diseases and plagues and the dangers of beastality, homosexuality and murder and torture of little children and violence against innocent and it simply declared this was the only LAW / GOD that was allowed to be served. All actions that broke these laws were equated to serving another god that always allowed this behavior. My fellow athiests here have shamed me and I wish they would stop spreading their ignorance.