If you could somehow witness the lives or at least certain moments of someone's life in history and understand the languages, where would you go? Who would you see?
These would be my top 5:
1) Plato (approx 350 - 450 BC) - Being able to see ancient Athens is a plus, but Socrates, Plato, Aristotle are notable for questioning everything. Must've been pretty taboo. I'd love to listen to their conversations and learn.
2) Any Confucian Scholar (Qin Dynasty) - I would love to soak in the priceless knowledge and history from the East before Qin Shi Huang destroyed books and killed hundreds of scholars in order to practically re-write the history of China.
3) Ahmad Ibn Faldan (870's -960 AD) - This one was inspired by the movie "The 13th Warrior". Faldan was the Arab ambassador from Baghdad to the north (present day Russia from my understanding) He chronicled his time and adventures with Norse/Vikings.
4)Francis Bacon/Voltaire/Immanuel Kant (The Enlightenment)
I feel like this one speaks for itself. The Enlightenment was one of my favorite periods in history and the writers above were a few of my favorites to read. Especially Bacon. Notable time for the emergence of freethinking/Atheists.
5) James Madison/Other founding fathers - These gentlemen made it their business to separate church and state. These are our people. I would have loved to hear the brainstorming & conversation as they wrote the Constitution.
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I'd just hang around Mark Twain.
George Washington : When he goes off to fight for liberty I would help his slaves escape.
Eleanor of Aquitaine, Sojourner Truth, Isaac Asimov, Katherine Hepburn, Thomas Jefferson.
Those are good ones. I bet I.Asimov would be an interesting one to hang out with. Assuming he wants to.
TY. I was fortunate enough to get personal replies from him both times I wrote him. (Also got a wonderful letter from Heinlein...probably my favorite possession.)
That is cool :)
Slightly jealous here.
I just wanna bitch slap Paul.
There are many incredible people in history, but my first thoughts are about the future. I'd love to see contact and interaction with another planet of beings. Find out their greatest achievements and learn about and from them. Maybe meet the first alien/human baby:)
Slightly kidding about that last part. We've got to meet them be more we decide to mate with them, of course.
So are you advocating a one interstellar night stand?
Why not? lol
Mykcob4
Yes, it sounds so romantic:)
Love in the Milky Way
Somebody just watched Guardians of the Galaxy ; ) haha
@JamieB.
A boy and girl were making out in a field. A UFO landed and two aliens came out. They approached the young couple and they all decided that they would pair off and have sex, the alien boy earthling girl, and the alien girl and the earthling boy.
The earthing girl said to the alien boy while they were having sex, "I don't want to be rude but your thing is a little too small." The alien boy replied, "well just twist my ears." She did and his penis grew way bigger.
Afterward, the aliens bid the earthlings goodbye and the UFO flew away.
Then the girl turned to the boy and asked, "How was it?"
He answered, "It was alright, but she kept twisting the hell out of my ears."
Mykcob4
Thank you :) LOL. Kids were fighting over toys and other insane reasons so now we watching Goldie an Bear cartoon. My brain needed that joke so bad!
Lol good one Mykc.
I'd like to see the religious fundamentalist terrorist force of the 16th century, the Spanish Armada, getting turned into matchwood by English cannons and English weather.
Then I'd like to hop forward to 1600/Rome to rescue Giordano Bruno before turning a flamethrower on the Inquisition bastards who burned him.
If we change the rules to where I can more than just observe, I would do a lot of things, many for my own personal gain. Guess I am just not as nice as you guys are in hypothetical situations, or maybe just more honest.
But in keeping spirit with the OP. I would get very involved in history. I would read a book, get involved with the people involved and then go visit it and see it for myself.
Since I spent a lot of time on these boards talking about theism, I would certainly head to the time the supposed crucifixion of this jesus guy and see for myself what all these billions of people go on and on about. If anything so I could smile knowing the real story, while people try to tell me what a heavily edited book told them.
Maybe I am just too logical, but with the ability to peer back in time, I tend to run into all the ways I could use that to my benefit. Watch for myself where some lost treasure got buried, so I can go recover it in my time. Watch a very embarrassing private moment of Donald Trump when he was a kid, then bring it up to him in front of a camera with exacting detail and watch his expression. Any politician that I feel may be corrupt I would go back in time and watch the corruption for myself, so I could find evidence today to present to a news publication and let media do the legwork of impeachment. Just being able to observe the past would make me the most powerful person in the world.
If I could change the past, that puts me pretty close to godlike.
LogicForTW,
Imagine if a billion people went back in time at this instant and started changing things. Would they even exist in the present time one second from now because they went back in time and a billion people made all kinds of changes in the past? So on the next loop would they even be able to go back in time? It could only work if you were an invisible entity and couldn't interact with anything in the past.
I think it would be cool to exile some people into the very distant past, like 150 million years ago in what's now Siberia or Cuba.
Hehe, you touch upon one of many many logic flaws of being able to go back into the past and actually change things that have already occurred.
A Pre-Historic GTMO. Sounds like it could be the premise of a SyFy film.
Nah I just wanna observe. Don't wanna change the past. (Not because I watch the Flash or anything.. lol)
I'd stay put. There's nothing of man's past I would want to observe and, besides, personal hygiene and grooming wasn't quite developed to today's standards, meaning, everybody stank. If I was a child of the time then no big deal but to suddenly be exposed to a world of body odors in motion all around me is not a compelling thought. It does, however, give credit to those who remained reclusive a certain twist on wisdom.
Everyone in the past smelled bad? Are you sure you are correct there, Pitar?
The funny thing is that according to the biblical fairy tale when the Israelites were wandering around in the desert for 40 years with the homicidal maniac Moses they washed their clothes every 7 days with water.
Leviticus 14:7-9 (CEB) = "7 He will sprinkle the person who needs purification from skin disease seven times and declare that they are clean. Then the priest will release the wild bird into the countryside. 8 The person who needs purification will then wash their clothes, shave off all of their hair, and bathe in water; at that point, they will be clean. After that, they can return to the camp, but they must live outside their tent for seven days. 9 On the seventh day, the person must shave off all their hair again: head, beard, and eyebrows—everything. They must wash their clothes and bathe in water; then they will be clean again."
Leviticus 15:19-22 (CEB) = "19 Whenever a woman has a discharge of blood that is her normal bodily discharge, she will be unclean due to her menstruation for seven days. Anyone who touches her will be unclean until evening. 20 Anything on which she lies or sits during her menstruation will be unclean. 21 Anyone who touches her bed must wash their clothes, bathe in water, and will be unclean until evening. 22 Anyone who touches anything on which she has sat must wash their clothes, bathe in water, and will be unclean until evening."
Numbers 19:18-20 (CEB) = "18 Then a clean person will take hyssop, dip it into the water, and sprinkle it on the tent, on all the jars, on the people who were there, and on anyone who touched bone, the slain, the dead, or the grave. 19 On the third day and the seventh day the clean person will sprinkle it on the unclean, so that he will have purified him on the seventh day. He will then wash his clothes, bathe in water, and be clean at evening. 20 Any person who is unclean and didn’t cleanse himself will be cut off from the assembly, because he has defiled the Lord’s sanctuary. He didn’t have the water of purification sprinkled on him. He is unclean."
Jesus was a big fan of perfumed oils.
Well, let's see, body odor is one of man's biological excretions and no form of cologne nor perfume can ultimately mask it. Those smell-pretty's were developed for men to attempt to combat their olfactory offensiveness and soldiering, being the primary career of men in days of old, was the main targeted purpose of perfume and cologne.
Only the most affluent had some semblance of a bathing routine. There were no such things as deodorants. I remember Right Guard was one of the first and it didn't hit the market until sometime in my early years. People sweat, bacteria forms and emits odor. My own Pop smelled like an arm pit all the time. He tried to combat it by taking baths with Chlorine diluted in his bath water but that worked only for a little while. He was a happy camper when Right Guard was introduced. He was a bomber pilot and the nylon flight suit he wore was not exactly conducive to breathing so he was a sweaty stinky hombre when he came home.
Soldiers never bathed when in the field. All smelled like ass and arm pits. Office workers in closed buildings before the advent of air conditioning were sweaty and stinky. Electric fans came along and gave some relief from the heavy still air but the sweating and stinking continued.
Hygiene and grooming, as we know it today, are a relatively new development in man to the extent that he managed to combat successfully repulsive stinkyness only as late as the mid-late 20th century. My own globe trotting through Europe, the Pacific islands, Middle East and other lesser developed places confirmed to me they were aptly named "armpits of the world" for good reason.
It was a normal part of life, though, so people gave it no thought. Bathing ultimately became more of an American routine than in Europe. European's would say that Americans were compulsive about it until it became a western civilization way of life. Western countries also became acutely aware that nations and cultures that did not have the same hygiene were to some extent doomed to a perception of being a lesser class. Yup, hygiene and grooming became a mark of civilized men. Without it you were a smelly barbarian. American women, in an effort to combat the persistence of body odor, were the first culture to begin shaving the armpits and then other body hair as it tended to confound the body odor problem. European women followed suit but only many years later when it became associated with beauty and well after the deodorants were in good effect.
Gandhi, for all his worth as a peace-loving man, was considered a second class citizen because of his lack of grooming and hygiene. He stank, so he obviously did not consider how it impacted his surrounds and that was simply irresponsible and a bit too coarse to certain people who do care about such things when in public. It became a measure of one's persona and has taken a front row seat to it since.
Youngsters want to rebel from the whole profiling of their perception of the establishment but they won't stray from ensuring they don't stink. Instead, they will ink themselves, pierce themselves and otherwise make an effort to be anti-establishment. But, they still get grossed out by stink.
So, yea, people stank. The cowboy, businessman, professional doctor/attorney/politician, laborer, office worker, wife and mother, etc, all were smelly.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Underarm_hair
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bathing
@CyberLN @Pitar
Hey.. I mean.. I suppose that's a valid concern relative to the person, but I could care less about all that. What I can learn and see for myself outweighs the danger of burning a few nose hairs. Sometimes, I can't help but feel that just trusting Historical records can be synonymous to having "Faith". Contrarily, what is more sufficient to the skeptic than empirical evidence? That's a no brainer for me. You can stay Pitar. I'll go.
It would be interesting in this hypothetical "you can observe the past" that it also included the sense of smell. (But not the sense of feel, because then you would be able to interact with the past.)
We never defined the rules of this observing thing. Perhaps you can bring along some toothpaste, stick some beneath your nose, that would cut out the vast majority of the stink as a history observer. Going further along this line of thought, I imagine it would be a very good idea to bring along your own oxygen supply for some visits. If you can smell, that assumes you are also breathing the same air of the past. For some visits I would recommend an entire bio hazard suit, especially if you wanted to visit areas in history that were devastated by certain highly contagious diseases.
I could go on and on about the various concerns and realities of time travel and what this idea of time travel really entails. Or we can simply use the simple thought exercise the original poster made, where we set aside all the reality of the obviously currently completely impossible method of being able to go back in time.
I love Louis CK's time travel scenario the best.
"A lot of people say they would go back and kill Hitler. I wouldn't. I wouldn't kill Hitler. I would rape him. I think that would be enough, enough to stop the Holocaust, to be raped by me. His general would be like, 'Hitler, you want to invade Poland?' and he'd be like, 'No, I just wanna take a shower...' but it'd all be in German, obviously."
Louis CK is pretty great.
Ck Louis is insane! I love him though cause who would've thunk it?
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