Why the religion of Atheizum?

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Chuck Rogers's picture
First of all it makes no

First of all it makes no difference if the majority believes something. That doesn't make it true. Most people use to think that the world was flat. But the Bible says the earth is a circle. But again I would like you to show me some evidence for what you believe, that can't be disputed. The question is in my original post. You are simply giving me the same old answer, " the evidence is out there but I have to look for it" if there is so much then show me.

Unindoctrinated's picture
By definition, a circle is a

By definition, a circle is a two dimensional disc. The bible also says that this disc is covered by a crystal dome, and that the sun orbits the earth. Also, I "believe" in evidence, so are you asking for evidence of evidence? You are still acting like Atheism is a religion. A-theist means without-god, and any reasonable Atheist will explain that they are an agnostic atheist. Having no knowledge that there is a God. We do not proclaim that a God doesn't exist, but that we have found no reason to believe in a God. I'll say again, Atheism is a mindset on ONE thing, the existence or belief in a God. This one statement does not make it a religion.

Chuck Rogers's picture
Tell me were the Bible says

Tell me were the Bible says that the sun orbits the earth. By the way the only bible for English speaking people is the King James Bible. All others that are copyrighted are perversions.

Unindoctrinated's picture
These are all passages

These are all passages stating that the Earth does not move, but the sun moves across it (up and down). These also state that the Earth is a flat circle (a tree so tall the entire world could see it). Also, KJB version is the primary version in English, if anything, it could has been mistranslated from it's previous language(s)... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bible_translations_into_English ...

Joshua 10:12-13
Then spoke Joshua to the Lord in the day when the Lord gave the Amorites over to the men of Israel; and he said in the sight of Israel, "Sun, stand thou still at Gibeon, and thou Moon in the valley of Aijalon." And the sun stood still, and the moon stayed, until the nation took vengeance on their enemies. Is this not written in the Book of Jashar? The sun stayed in the midst of heaven, and did not hasten to go down for about a whole day.

Ecclesiastes 1:5
The sun rises and the sun goes down, and hastens to the place where it rises.

The earth is stationary:

1 Chronicles 16:30
tremble before him, all earth; yea, the world stands firm, never to be moved.

Psalms 93:1
The Lord reigns; he is robbed in majesty; the lord is robbed, he is girded with strength. Yea, the world is established; it shall never be moved.

Psalms 96:10
Say among the nations, "The Lord reigns! Yea, the world is established, it shall never be moved; he will judge the peoples with equity."

It is planted in a foundation:

2 Samuel 22:16
Then the channels of the sea were seen, the foundations of the world were laid bare, at the rebuke of the Lord at the blast of the breath of his nostrils.

Psalms 18:15
Then the channels of the sea were seen, and the foundations of the world were laid bare, at thy rebuke, O Lord, at the blast of the breath of thy nostrils.

Psalms 102:25
Of old thou didst lay the foundation of the earth, and the heavens are the work of thy hands.

Proverbs 8:27-29
When he established the heavens, I was there, when he drew a circle on the face of the deep, when he made firm the skies above, when he established the fountains of the deep, when he assigned to the sea its limit, so that the waters might not transgress his command, when he marked out the foundations of the earth,

Isaiah 48:13
My hand laid out the foundation of the earth, and my right hand spread out the heavens; when I call to them, they stand forth together.

John 17:24
Father, I desire that they also, whom thou hast given me, may be with me where I am, to behold my glory which thou hast given me in thy love for me before the foundation of the world.

The Earth is flat (you cannot see the entire Earth because it is round):

Job 28:24
For he looks to the ends of the earth, and sees everything under the heavens.

Psalms 19:4-6
yet their voice goes out through all the earth, and their words to the end of the world. In them he has set a tent for the sun, which comes forth like a bridegroom leaving his chamber, and like a strong man runs his course with joy. Its rising is from the end of the heavens, and its circuit to the end of them; and there is nothing hid from its heat.

Daniel 4:10-11
The visions of my head as I lay in bed were these: I saw, and behold, a tree in the midst of the earth; and its height was great. The tree grew and became strong, and its top reached to heaven, and it was visible to the end of the whole earth.

Matthew 4:8
Again, the devil took him to a very high mountain, and showed him all the kingdoms of the world and the glory of them;

Isaiah 40:22
It is he who sits above the circle of the earth, and its inhabitants are like grasshoppers; who stretches out the heavens like a curtain, and spreads them like a tent to dwell in;

Chuck Rogers's picture
I'll answer in part for now

I'll answer in part for now because I have some things to do. Some of those passages are from man's perspective. Like the sun rising, we have known for many years that the earth revolves around the sun and yet I would say that everyone still says the sun rises. It's accepted as normal. Maybe you don't. Maybe you go into some long spew about the earth turning and the sun appears, or something like that. Lol

Also many times when the Bible says world it's talking about the people as a whole.

ex-christian_atheist's picture
Saying "the sun rises" is a

Saying "the sun rises" is a common colloquialism now, but only because it was so commonly used back in the time when people actually believed that was what happened. The term originated from a literal usage, and became figurative over time. The same goes for "edges of the Earth." It used to be that people literally thought that the Earth had edges, and now the term sticks around as a colloquialism, but originally people actually believed it.

ex-christian_atheist's picture
What sin exactly do

What sin exactly do Christians think atheists are trying to get away with. My morals have been the same for years. I haven't done a single thing different since I became an atheist. The only thing I have done since I became an atheist that could be a sin is not believing in God. Why would I stop believing in God, so I didn't have to believe in God anymore. That makes no sense. What do you think I'm doing that is so awful I am just pretending to not believe so I can do it?

Chuck Rogers's picture
I'm sorry for not commenting

I'm sorry for not commenting on your post yet. But I will, I've just got some things to do now.

Jeff Vella Leone's picture
Your sin, is using your head

Your sin, is using your head ex-christian_atheist. :)
You are not allowed to do that when you are a christian :)

Lmale's picture
Lol

Lol

Ellie Harris's picture
1)So god came from nothing?

1)So god came from nothing?
2)Atheist are not asserting that god doesn't exist, you are the only one here making an assertion of a claim. The burden of proof lies squarely on you, so try another fallacy other than shifting of burden of proof.
3) The premise of sin is irrelevant until testable, logical, consistent evidence of god is established.

Chuck Rogers's picture
That makes no sense. Atheism

That makes no sense. Atheism is the denying of God. So how can you say Atheist's don't say there is no God. How long have you claimed to be one? Or do you just not know what Atheism is?

Zaphod's picture
Just so you know Mr. Rodgers,

Just so you know Mr. Rodgers, Atheism does not necessarily mean you have to deny a god exist, you can simply not believe a god exist or simply be against theism or deity but seeing as you were an atheist for so long you knew this already right?

You could have an agnostic stance and say you hold no claim either way when it comes to the existence of god, but you don't think one exist. Personally I have seen no proof that there is no god and an equal amount of proof that there is one godlike thing that does fit at least one of the many definitions possible for there to be a god, but probability puts the chances that anyone's one true god as they call it would be an accurate depiction of what god close to nil. The chances are so low in fact I say I would be willing to bet your life that your god does not exist ;)

How do you even define your god? What is your god exactly?Is it humanoid? Is it the big bang itself? Is it all of creation rather than the creator of all of creation itself?(this last one I could be more down to seeing as a possibility) but still would fall short of provable. Is it the flying Spaghetti monster? Is it part of a pantheon? Is it any one of the thousands of possible defined gods humanity has invented and whoreshiped during its existence? I see you claim to be a Christian what type of Christian are you? Does your version of Christianity mean God Jesus and the holey spirit are all one? Or are you like many many Christian who have their own interpretation of what their Christian god may possible be right down to what matter to it depending on what strikes their fancy at any given moment? Does your version of Christianity allow you to have statues in your places of whoreship or does it like some say having such things condemns you to hell? I can literally go on like this for a long long time but I think by now you should be getting the point.

Chuck Rogers's picture
I went to Wikipedia for the

I went to Wikipedia for the definition of Atheism.
So I don't have a problem admitting that I have never looked up the term. I didn't realize that there is such a broad definition of that word. I myself denied that God existed at all. So I'm sorry for putting all atheist's in the same brackets.
So let me ask all of you. Is there any of you that would be willing to submit to God (not surrender because God will not force anyone, you have to make the choice yourself) if He will show you He is real?

Zaphod's picture
I think most atheist would

I think most atheist would have no problem submitting to a god if it were to undeniably show us it was real but they would have many many questions for such a thing were it to exist and still be alive today in a form that could answer our questions. Also, just because some god came along and show us it was real would not mean we would automatically love this god.

rpullumiii's picture
I personally would not submit

I personally would not submit to the christian god because he is a horrible person who endorses genocide, rape, murder, racism, sexism, anti-science, I could go on with the horrible things he endorses but that would take to long. He would become the enemy and I would never submit.

Ellie Harris's picture
Just in case you are using

Just in case you are using the Kalam argument (& you are) by saying "God didn't have a beginning. He is from everlasting to everlasting." Then let me show you how illogical that is. You are saying-
A. Every rearrangement of pre-existing matter has a cause. (supported by every observation, ever.)
B. The universe began to exist from absolute nonexistence, NOT from a rearrangement of pre-existing matter.
C. Therefore the universe has a cause.

Huge gap in logic there & you simply filled it in with god.

Jeff Vella Leone's picture
Chuck Rogers

Chuck Rogers
If it is OK for god to not have a beginning, why is it so hard to accept that the universe might not have a beginning too?
Maybe the universe is trapped in an infinite loop of expansion and contraction and the big bang is just the expansion side.

You are making way too many assumptions and consider them as facts.
That is not the scientific method, you lack humbleness.

Chuck Rogers's picture
God is a Spirit matter is not

God is a Spirit matter is not. Matter had to have a beginning. God created time space and matter all at once. As the Bible says "In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth."
When two things are done at the same time, you can name either one first. Because you can't say both at the same time. Also heaven is in three parts, the air, space, and the third heaven were those that have gotten saved will reside.

Chuck Rogers's picture
I will add this to clear up

I will add this to clear up the possibility that someone may think that I am saying when someone gets saved they are able to continue in their sins. When I got saved God became my father instead of my judge as He was from the first time I sinned until I was 34 years old. When a person accepts Jesus Christ as their Lord by repentance of their sins (which is to be willing to turn from your sin unto God). When this truly happens as a matter of the heart (which is the core of what you believe) not just as a thought in your head, the Holy Spirit enters in and quickens you're spirit (which is to make it alive which was dead to God in trespasses and sin). You then have two natures, flesh and spirit. Your flesh will always want to go against God and your spirit. Sometimes it does get it's way (but way less than before accepting God's gift). Mainly the problems I have to deal with is in my thoughts, which I hate. Sometimes I get upset with someone when I shouldn't. But the Holy Spirit convicts me and I have to ask for forgiveness. The easiest way to keep from sinning is to feed my spirit with the things of God more than I feed my flesh with the things of this world. Also when you love the Lord you don't want to bring a reproach to His name.

CyberLN's picture
Ok, so you don't want to be

Ok, so you don't want to be 'bad' because it will piss off your sky-daddy. I don't want to do 'bad' stuff because it's asshole behavior. Which of us has the best interests of our fellow creatures in mind?

Lmale's picture
Easy answer statistics show

Easy answer statistics show that the so called moral religious people are more likely to commit crime than atheists.
Psychologists blame the forgiveness for sin that religious people get repeatedly drummed into them.
This is why i find it funny and annoying (depends on my mood at the time) when religious people claim moral superiority.
If thats not enough proof we have history that shows the 'morality' of religions.

CyberLN's picture
I was after an answer to that

I was after an answer to that question from chuckster...

Hey, chuck, you gunna answer?

Lmale's picture
So much crazy where to begin?

So much crazy where to begin?
Atheism is specifically not believing in religions due to NO EVIDENCE. We also dont believe there cant be a god because NO EVIDENCE.
you said "just because the majority believe something it doesnt mean its true" do you even realise what you just said roflmao@u

Lmale's picture
I just really enjoy debating

I just really enjoy debating creatards there such an easy target lol.

Lmale's picture
You claim gods spirit but you

You claim gods spirit but you cant define spirit plus have no proof of his spiritness.
You do know as a christian you can only define your god as your book defines him. Anything not in your book is a guess. And everything except for a very few historical events that actually happened in your book is unsubstantiated. That means unproven. You have no evidence to support your god but theres evidence against your book which is the only thing you have.
This is why we deny your god but not the possibility of a god.

CyberLN's picture
Gnostic atheists actually do

Gnostic atheists actually do deny the existence of god(s).

Chuck Rogers's picture
I went to Wikipedia for the

I went to Wikipedia for the definition of Atheism.
So I don't have a problem admitting that I have never looked up the term. I didn't realize that there is such a broad definition of that word. I myself denied that God existed at all. So I'm sorry for putting all atheist's in the same brackets.
So let me ask all of you. Is there any of you that would be willing to submit to God (not surrender because God will not force anyone, you have to make the choice yourself) if He will show you He is real?

Unindoctrinated's picture
Undeniable evidence.. much

Undeniable evidence.. much more than a "feeling". And I'm guessing you are talking about the Christian God, in that case, evidence AND an apology for the Bible.

Lmale's picture
I second that post

I second that post unindoctrinated. Id go so far as to say id accept his existence but i would not worship him if he said the bible was true.

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