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You seem to be lashing out at this point. I would suggest stepping away for a bit, so as to not influence your arguments in a negative way.
Oh and by the way the Bible has never been diluted, except by the belief of an Atheist. You apparently haven't done much studying of scripture except for many by the writings of someone that believes like you. Even if that person would lie about the facts.
Pff as if, dude.
The bible is replete with contradictions. If you actually 'studied' it for the words that are written in it, non-diluted as you say....
Then god made plants before AND after people, the sun on the first AND sixth day.... And we don't have two suns?
Also, if the bible is totally honest, then Jesus is -not- a nice deity to follow, if he even existed in the first place. Too many 'what ifs' surrounding many of the fictions in the bible, too many convenient excuses, and it was formed by combining way too many myths.
I dare you to read it word for word, front to back, and tell us if you honestly still believe in the bible's baloney.
"Scriptures" are ALL BULLSHIT!! There is not one bit of logic, common sense, or reason in ANY of it. Do you know that there are professors that study Biblical History for a living...NOT ONE OF THEM has ever been convinced that there was ever a God. They ALL agree that the information in the Bible is not based on any logic, has no credibility, and does not exhibit any reasonable means of intelligence. Do you STILL believe in Santa?? How about the EASTER BUNNY??
Most atheists I know are far more knowledgeable about theism and christianity than christians. And the reason we don't argue about what your invisible man in the sky book says is we don't care because it's an old book. You'd need to prove that the god of the bible exists and that it inspired the holy babble before I would be interested in what your book says.
Referencing the final sentence in your OP...what, precisely, is the 'sin' atheists enjoy so much?
Sorry I will be offline for a while I have some work to do and also I need to Google something so I can get back to you about your evidence.
Real quick before I go sin is the breaking of God's law. For example anyone of the ten commandments. though there are many more within the Bible.
Yes, there are hundreds of 'laws' in the bible....I would guess that you willingly break many of them...leaving you no less a 'sinner' than any atheist.
Ahh yes I have broken many of God's laws though it takes breaking one to be guilty of breaking the whole law. But you see the only reason God gave the law was for us to see that we are sinners. No one that has lived for any length of time, that has come to the ability to know that when they decided to lie (for example) for the first time in order to keep from getting into trouble. They then become a sinner by action. For most lying is most likely the first sin to be committed. And God has a punishment for breaking His law. But because He cares about us He made a way that the payment for breaking His law could be paid by another that committed no sin. There for since I accepted that payment I can no longer be charged for my crime against Him.
Wow, just, wow. Your last sentence is flabbergasting. You said earlier that atheists are so because they want to keep on 'sinning'. It apparently doesn't matter to you what sort of person that atheist is. Then you turn around and say you can't be 'charged' for yours because you believe in some god?! Wow.
I didn't make the rules God did. And He made it so that there will not be one in Heaven that can bragg by their own works of getting in. It is only by the gift that He has given, and that is Jesus. Otherwise He died in vain. No one will be able to get the glory for what He suffered for us.
Cyber, Chuck, this debate can likely not resolve since there is a deep-seated psychological "need" that differentiates us. Chuck, along with other devout theists, have a need to believe in something. Atheists, on the other end of the spectrum, have a need to understand or explain, rather than put our minds and effort into something that requires "faith".
Okay, so God has proven that everyone is a sinner, WHAT has THAT accomplished?...and your point is?
Also, Mr Chuck,
The ten commandments stuck everywhere by you 'modern Christians' are FALSE.
There are no ten commandments! Upon coming down from the mountain, Moses supposedly smashed BOTH of the tablets in anger on the ground, not one, BOTH. ~See Exodus 32:15-34:29 approximately. So nobody heard them read aloud!
So where are those ten supposedly coming from? And don't you dare start a circular argument of 'from god', then how did we supposedly get them to begin with? They came after all the stories were written, obviously... And that makes no logical sense.
Just had to get that out there, you're spreading lies and not believing that they are lies yourself. You are a liar by proxy, my friend.
I've also found that theists treat the TEN COMMANDMENTS as MULTIPLE CHOICE!! Oops, that one dosen't fit my lifestyle, can't do that one...ooops, that one is bullshit, can't follow THAT ONE. tHE 10 cOMMANDMENTS TURN INTO 1 OR 2!!
Lol christianity broke thou shalt not kill/steal/covet/bear false witness and no likenesses or sculptures of anything in heaven sorry but according to christianity angels and jeasus are in heaven so you will be smashing all the millions of statures and likenesses of angels and jeasus oh and mary and every saint (tho florence deserved to go to hell) oh and photos of dead loved ones.
Diluted i said proved wrong theres a difference
By the way im still waiting to hear this wondrous evidence that made you go be 'born again'. All you have done is make some accusations of fakery nothing backed by sources or evidence.
Sorry forgot; Why on earth would atheists need faith? There a state of being called i dont know. This is strange to theists because god is always their answer but all real atheists are familiar with i dont know. It requires no faith. Not believing in a religion also requires no faith its a judgment based on evidence and lack of evidence.
They wouldn't need faith, the OP is wrong to assume or assert such things.
The very admittance that you don't know but yet still believe in what you believe in is what makes it faith. It doesn't matter if you deny that it is faith. Faith is the evidence of things not seen, for everyone that believes it.
No one "believes" in scientific evidence. Belief implies faith. I do not need to believe that I am typing this message, I know I am. Atheists simply know about science. No belief, no faith, only knowing.
As far as "not knowing", thus, we must have faith in place of knowledge, no. We refuse to have faith in faith. If we have not discovered what exactly created the big bang, we assert that we do not know. We only know that it happened.
Yes and since he says he was atheist he should know that. Hence my accusation that he never was atheist.
This guy does not value reason, typical brainwashed theist.
Chuck Rogers "But you see the only reason God gave the law was for us to see that we are sinners."
So god asks the impossible on purpose so we are forced to depend on him for salvation? God is evil?
There is simply no reasonable argument he CAN understand now.
He is too far gone, religion makes insane people without them even knowing.
So just let him be folks.
So give me some reason that has proof. I believe that you realize that you have nothing to back up your beliefs when someone really pushes for some real evidence.
So give me some reason that has proof. I believe that you realize that you have nothing to back up your beliefs when someone really pushes for some real evidence.
evidence of what?
That the Christian god is a false god?
yes there is proof, starting with the fact that Omnipotence, Omniscience and Infinite Love(the pillars of christian doctrine definition of god) are contradictory in nature when compared to what we experience from his claimed actions on earth.(there a topics related to this, go check them)
Evolution has been proven to be a fact. It has been tested in labs with microorganisms.
Human evolution is also a fact, also tested in labs and our DNA is actually evolving too.
If you mean human origins though evolution, then yes, that is still a hypothesis as far as science in concerned.
But that shows nothing about your claims, you are just being dishonest about the entire subject.
You cannot show the validity of your argument by trashing an other argument.
If human origin is proven to be not related to evolution, you are still left in the same position as you started; With a false god.
Your assumption that God is responsible for all the suffering and or evil in this world is like this.
Your driving down the road and you see off the road a vehicle wrapped around a tree and beer cans strung out from the accident. Then you blame the manufacturer for the whole thing. The truth is that the world is the way it is because of sin!!!
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