Why the religion of Atheizum?

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CyberLN's picture
Albert Hall....

Albert Hall....

Chuck Rogers's picture
Googling Albert Hall brings

Googling Albert Hall brings no one up that gives any answer.

CyberLN's picture
Oy...that Albert Hall remark

Oy...that Albert Hall remark connected back to the previous use of it..."more holes than Albert Hall".

Perhaps you're not old enough to get the reference. Listen to the song A Day in the Life by The Beatles.

Chuck Rogers's picture
So in other words you don't

So in other words you don't have an answer to the question "how was there more oxygen and pressure when the dinosaurs roamed the earth?"

Nyarlathotep's picture
Trees separate CO2 (in the

Trees separate CO2 (in the air) in to carbon (stored in tree) and oxygen (stored in air). When trees die, aerobic bacteria recombines the carbon (in the dead tree) and the oxygen (from the air) into CO2 (returned to the air). When trees die in an environment without oxygen (swamp water) they can't be decomposed by aerobic bacteria and the carbon is eventually trapped as peat or coal, and the oxygen remains unattached to carbon, which increases oxygen's partial pressure in the atmosphere.

Chuck Rogers's picture
Nyarlathotep

Nyarlathotep

Sounds pretty sketchy to me. So lets see, you claim that a few trees die at let's say any given time in a swamp. Then they must fall over as soon as they die. And of course they don't decay under water before they are covered and turn into coal, or peat. And yet at the same time what there are no new trees coming up faster than those that are dying, that would counter that. Oh and apparently there are not enough trees dying in the swamps today to cause this to happen today.
I wonder just how much extra pressure that could possibly increase around the world. That is an amazing possibility, so much so that I find that very hard to believe.
It would be easier to believe that an astonishing amount of new trees grew so fast that it increased the pressure. Oh yeah I doubt that would do it either.

Did you know that God did it in a much easier way. He simply put a canopy of frozen water at the edge of space. That not only would it keep extra oxygen and pressure in the atmosphere, but also water is one of the materials that can block out radiation from the sun. In which also would slow down the aging process oh people and animals. Did you know that lizards, at least most of them, continue to grow bigger and bigger as long as they are alive? So I wonder how big an iguana would get if it lived a lot longer?

Nyarlathotep's picture
Chuck Rogers "Oh and

Chuck Rogers "Oh and apparently there are not enough trees dying in the swamps today to cause this to happen today."

That is because there is a lot less swamps today than there was in the Carboniferous period. And I did not say it increased the pressure, I said it increased the oxygen partial pressure.

Nordic Fox's picture
Water was formed initially by

Water was formed initially by the super-heated gasses from volcanoes.

Hydrogen and Oxygen, when heated form H20. Since Earth was basically a molten ball at one point, there was plenty of heat to combine these gasses and cause precipitation, which aided in the cooling of Earth's crust and the accumulation of Seawater.

I honestly don't know why I want to explain these things to you... You obviously just plug your ears (or skip over the text in this case) anytime it conflicts with anything you've been told by scripture.

Lmale's picture
Sorry, I have enjoyed reading

Sorry, I have enjoyed reading your posts so would prefer not to but I have to correct you.
A little water formed that way but most of the water arrived on Earth after the Earth was formed in something called the late heavy bombardment. Basically Jupiter threw a crapload of icy comets at the Earth.

Nordic Fox's picture
*plankton.

*plankton.

doniston's picture
you answered the wrong

you answered the wrong question. I asked abut pressure

Chuck Rogers's picture
When something the size of a

When something the size of a large dinosaur has as small of lungs as they did and small nostrils, when they have to move much they can't get enough volume into their lungs without more pressure than what our atmosphere has.

If you were put in a sealed room with more oxygen in it than what is in our atmosphere and yet you only had a small straw to breath through and you had to run, you wouldn't get enough oxygen. You would need more pressure in the room to help push enough oxygen in for you to breathe right. Understand now?

Nordic Fox's picture
So.... A prius engine and a

So.... A prius engine and a bulldozer engine should be the same size, right?

A larger animal (elephant, rhino, T-rex) will have proportionately larger lungs and breathing capacity than we do.

Honestly though.... I'm out. Your indoctrination is complete, that much is proven. We can't convert you to the reality of the world, your faith is powerful, yadda yadda yadda we get it.

I haven't seen if you've responded.... WHY are you on a site for atheists? Unless you have some doubts about religion? If you've answered this previously then disregard, I'll get to it.

Lmale's picture
Dude read about evolution

Dude read about evolution from credible scientific sources. Not creationist sites.

Chuck Rogers's picture
Tell me one that can explain

Tell me one that can explain this without lying.

doniston's picture
explain what. precisely?

explain what. precisely?

Chuck Rogers's picture
So I ask even if there was

So I ask even if there was more oxygen what held in the pressure?

Chuck Rogers's picture
I should say the extra

I should say the extra pressure?

Nyarlathotep's picture
the proper term is oxygen

the proper term is oxygen partial pressure, but perhaps I should have my head examined for even trying to explain it to you.

Chuck Rogers's picture
You were responding to my

You were responding to my question right? So how does your answer go with my question? Do you have an answer or not?

Nyarlathotep's picture
when you remove gas A and

when you remove gas A and replace it with gas B, the partial pressure of gas B increases.

Chuck Rogers's picture
Nyarlathotep

Nyarlathotep

If it's possible for you to give me info on were I can research your claims I would appreciate it.

From what you are saying doesn't add up to me. I can understand that if you have a sealed containment system that you add anything else to it, that would increase pressure. But if you remove gas A, and replace it with the same amount of gas B, how does that increase pressure? You are aware that the Earth today doesn't have anything to hold in any extra pressure right? Trees do absorb gasses from the atmosphere right? And they release gasses back into the atmosphere right? I believe that it would be basically at the same rate. So if a tree died, and fell in the swamp, wouldn't the inability of it to remove anything more from the atmosphere, and the inability to release anything back into the atmosphere, keep it the same as the seconds before it dyed and fell into the swamp? Oh yeah they don't just fall over when they first die do they?

Nyarlathotep's picture
It doesn't add up because you

It doesn't add up because you are woefully ignorant about the natural world if you think the carbon in a tree returns to the atmosphere a few seconds after it dies. What the hell do you think wood is?!?. I explained the whole thing to you earlier, in detail. I knew I was wasting my time, clearly you didn't even read it. Still I will point you in the right direction, on the off chance you really want to learn something.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Partial_pressure
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carboniferous

Chuck Rogers's picture
The total pressure of a

The total pressure of a mixture of gases is equal to the sum of the partial pressures of the individual gases in the mixture as stated by Dalton's law.

In other words when you take the partial pressureof each gas and combine them together you get an overall pressure. In your scenario you are removing one element for another, and that doesn't increase the overall pressure, in which the overall pressure is what is needed in order to force enough oxygen through the small nostrils of a dinosaur in order for it to breathe right. The smaller the holes the more overall pressure that is needed. It's not just the amount of oxygen in the air, it is also the volume that can get in fast enough so the dinosaurs don't pass out. Now do you understand?

Nyarlathotep's picture
chuck rogers - "in which the

chuck rogers - "in which the overall pressure is what is needed in order to force enough oxygen through the small nostrils of a dinosaur"

that is exactly wrong. If you doubled the pressure in a room, animals will not be able to extract any more oxygen out of the air than normal. However if you double the partial pressure, they will be able to extract more oxygen out of the air than normal.

Chuck Rogers's picture
I explained in an earlier

I explained in an earlier post. If you were to go into a sealed room and replaced one or more of the normal levels of another gas besides oxygen. And then you put oxygen into that room in an even amount as the gas you removed so the pressure was the same as before you swapped the gasses. And then you had to put a small straw in your mouth and plug your nose so you could only breathe through the straw. And then you ran around the room. You would not get enough oxygen, and you would have to yank the straw out so you could get enough oxygen in so you don't pass out.

It wouldn't be very hard for you to perform this experiment. All you would have to do is use room in your home. Get an instrument that you can read the atmospheric pressure, and large plastic sheeting, a vacuum cleaner, a bottle of compressed oxygen, and some tape.
Keep the vacuum outside the room with the hose in the room. Seal the room with the plastic and tape completely with you inside. Check the atmospheric pressure in the room. Now have someone turn on the vacuum (preferably by someone you trust, and if not take a knife in with you so you can cut your way out in the event of a problem. I'm not trying to have you commit suicide) until you notice a good difference in your breathing and or the pressure in the room. Then turn on the oxygen to bring the pressure back up to its original level, no more no less. Oh and you need a straw also. So place the straw in your mouth and tape your lips and nose closed. Duct tape works well. Now do some exercises that are cardiovascular in nature and you will see that it won't take long and you will find it hard to breathe. But then before you remove the straw, stick it over the outlet on the oxygen tank and turn it up until you get enough in that you feel you can breathe again. That will show you that you need more pressure to force it in the small opening. Like the small nostrils the dinosaurs have.

Please tell me that you get it now. I thought you were supposed to be the smart one?

Chuck Rogers's picture
As a quick experiment you can

As a quick experiment you can also do the same thing with the straw, sealing up your mouth and nose just breathing through the straw outside while doing a cardiovascular exercise. And when you find it is to hard to breathe, using an air compressor to blow air through the straw. You will see that the extra pressure will make it easier to breathe.

Nyarlathotep's picture
See I've actually done

See I've actually done experiments which give the results I stated above, the same way hundreds of thousands of people have done before and after me. Doubling the atmospheric pressure does not increase the rate at which reactions take place but doubling the partial pressure does. That is an empirical fact. It even mentions it in the article I linked about partial pressures earlier. Learn some freshmen chemistry before you try to tell people how pressure works.

Chuck Rogers's picture
Excuse me but I believe I

Excuse me but I believe I said oxygen and pressure needed to be higher when the dinosaursroamed the earth. I never said just pressure.

It was evolutionists that I read or heard speak about this problem in the first place. Maybe you should investigate that. I knew when I first brought this up that you would believe it was just me or a theist coming up with this question.

If you can't find it I will try to find it for you. But you being so capable I have faith that you can find it.

Chuck Rogers's picture
Hey Nyarlathotep

Hey Nyarlathotep
Did you know that what did require more pressure and had nothing to do with any one type of gas?

Really big bugs, and large flying lizards. In today's atmosphere they wouldn't be able to get off the ground, unless there was more pressure.

Oh and by the way, that info also came from evolutionists!!!

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