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"I agree with you on the punishment for such a crime, even that she might have gotten away too easy. What I am appalled by is the method."
I am glad that we can agree to some extent, even if we don't agree completely.
"A public execution in front of a mosque, with people cheering."
Given the severity of the supposed crime, if it was true, I really couldn't bring myself to care about such things. Some crimes are so heinous that the people who commit them are no longer eligible for my consideration as human, they could burn them at the stake during the half-time of the superbowl, and I still would wish there were a way to make the example even more profound and deterring.
"Policeman dragged her through the street, while she was screaming "I did not kill, I did not kill". They held her down and chopped of the head with a sword, with 3 swings."
Be as graphic as you like, it's not like I would expect her to admit what she did if she had done it, so I care whether she is guilty or not. If guilt can be established, then I can't be bothered to care how tough she had it.
"If they used a guillotine behind closed doors and she actually had a fair trial, I wouldn't have said anything against it."
I don't know enough about the case to say for sure if she was guilty, but if she was, then we will likely still disagree.
- "they could burn them at the stake during the half-time of the superbowl"
Haha, ok.
What upsets me the most of crimes, is when it is against children, so no argument there.
But even so, there is no need what so ever to damage more children, or anyone else for that matter, with public beheadings or other gruesome executions. That in itself is not something that is appropriate to subject "ordinary people" to, especially children.
I have mixed feelings about the killing or torture of other human beings, regardless of the crime.
What i am convinced of, is that public executions should not be tolerated in any decent society.
What makes it worse, is that if you are caught naked in the middle of the street, they arrest you and if you behead someone in public, it is no big deal.
That is the kind of attitude it deserves.
It is disgraceful, disgusting and whoever thinks that public executions should be held, should be ashamed of himself for being such a disgusting human being.
Given the legal system in SA, there is no guarantee she actually committed the crime for which she was executed.
Very well said TRAVIS... i salute your honesty.
Have you also forgotten how they berate and rape women publically yet the women are shamed and murdered in order to protect the so-called "honor" of the family name. You know nothing about what atrocities Islam has done more on women than onto men. You need to get your information straight before you even try to defend such a terrible religion. I have friends who are Muslim and I fear for them to be in a religion that has been getting cocky and violent when supposed to be peaceful. Even they say that the middle eastern governments need to stop what they're doing to the women and children.
Siobah
I think you have to get your facts rights first... honor killing is a cultural thing and has got nothing to do with religion. it is practiced in some cultures in the East... Some Hindu clans in North India also practice this...
"What I don't get, is why the ordinary muslim doesn't get so angry and outraged that they do something about this insanity. Don't they care that their religion is used to justify this kind of insane opression?"
I'm sure they know, but one of the unfortunate symptoms of being stricken with religion is that one is unable to speak out against another member of that religion. ESPECIALLY in Islam.
They probably fear that their religion will come crumbling down if they admit that one of its members is doing something wrong in the name of their god.
If it were only that easy!
Or they are afraid they will be called Charlie and get executed.
Oh yes, fear of beheading, stoning, raping, mutilation... Those are also good for supressing the motivation to speak out.
Nothing is farther from truth than this... if only you had any inkling about the debates, discussions and disagreements that have taken place in Islam since the classical times...you would not say this
Yes, I would. It's what I've seen and even been told by Muslims while living in a predominantly Muslim country while I was helping them rid themselves of an Islamic theocracy.
you don't seem to know anything about the internal criticisms and debates that have been going on in Islam since the classical times...
Holy smokes, Valiya has just admitted that Islam is a quarrelsome religion that has been internally divided since classical times.
i take your interpretation of my statement as a joke Cmallen.... so not responding
Very perceptive. And you did respond, but I bet you won't respond to this.
i will :)
a little comic relief is good anyways in heated debates
Very true, very true.
If any religion allows such violence to be used in it's name it is in itself evil.
Plain and simple
it deserves all the attacks possible on it until the people that use this religion feel safe enough to be able to speak their mind without fear or repercussions.
Until then it deserves the worst.
here we go again religion of peace. if some one insults religion and you avenge in violent way such as killing and all this kind of disgusting dumb punishment it only means your religion is troll and dangerous!
No amount of sickening evil can surprise me when it comes to religion.
The reality is; we're all foreigners here, this planet doesn't belong to any of us.. Sure we began here, we evolved here. But going by the way we (as a whole) are treating this planet, it's arguable whether we belong here. This species is a disgrace
"Who does this planet belong to?"
Well, Big J said the meek shall inherit the earth, but I heard they're contesting the will.
It seems that Islam is a government too combined with religion in most islamic countries.
Yes, imagine that. Of all the strange forms of governments, imagine that a small number of military leaders and their supporting populace would create a code outlining their social laws. Then force it on captured peoples. Wait, that literally occures on every page of history. Atleast in democratic societies we can be honest about where our laws come from, and even open them for debate. I guess some cultures are still stuck in the superstitious and violent dark ages.
all the planets belongs to universe, universe belongs to the power due to which the universe created, and that power belong to god
almighty, Allah, who mentioned big bang theory almost 1500 years ago,
Why is it that anytime there is an advance in knowledge about something (big bang, nuclear fission, etc.) there are all these people saying, "oh yes, that was mentioned in the Koran." The most intelligent Muslims I know (who are much smarter than I) laugh at this as a joke. And why would Allah have mentioned it 1500 years ago instead of say, when he was giving all that awesome info to Abraham, or Moses, or any of a host his other faves? Did he figure, "well, it's only been 13 billion years, might as well make them wait for it a few minutes longer."
islam is a religion of peace, but there are some set of rules in islam, if an atheist criticises islam, no matter, but if a muslim leaves islam and become atheist then according to the set of rules of islam, that person will be beheaded
islam is a religion of peace, but there are some set of rules in islam, if an atheist criticises islam, no matter, but if a muslim leaves islam and become atheist then according to the set of rules of islam, that person will be beheaded
heh, not sure if serious...
Beheading people over a disagreement is certainly peaceful (snark intended).
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