I think the universe is intelligent because of what science tells us but also because we can arrive at a new and different understanding about what is intelligence.
I am pretty certain that we don’t need an 'outside' Designer to explain all the order and 'fine tuning' we observe in the universe. So none of my arguments that follow should be misconstrued as arguments for Intelligent Design. We can see that very complex order can arise directly from the universe through the operation of natural laws. We can readily see how the diversity and complexity of living organisms can evolve by natural selection.
Modern physics doesn’t have convincing explanations for the apparent fine-tuning of the universe for life. One approach is to say the properties will be explained in some future theory of everything. Another thought is that the fine-tuning is largely the result of chance. To make this work, physicists may hypothesize that there are many universes with many different attributes and properties. Some universes collapse immediately upon themselves. And many universe will support life but be based on silicon instead of carbon because of the values of various nuclear forces. These theories assume that the properties of the physical universe were built in in at its beginning and are not changing. It is possible, however, that the properties and attributes of the universes – the values that permit life and intelligence to exist – have changed in the past and may change in the future. In fact this is what we observe in many cases.
I think it shouldn't be controversial to claim that the universe is really a super quantum computer. The fact that we have working quantum computers today, albeit basic as they are at this stage of development, is still proof of concept. Quantum computers 'hack in' to the quantum processing that the universe is already doing. This is how quantum computers work.
So in short, my claim is that the universe grows and evolves based upon internal dynamics. The laws of our universe might not be constant but the properties, particles, forces, and matter could have evolved in time and might be different in the future. The reason this is not apparent is that we are living at a time when we are unable to see into the earliest beginnings of this universe and, of course, cannot see into the future. We may be living at a point of relative stability. However, there are some indications from Planck and measurements of electro weak forces that even now we might suspect some of these forces are not constant. The apparent fine-tuning might only exist at this time in the universe and life and intelligence have come about as part of the natural evolution of the universe. The universe is fine-tuning itself. And this is an intelligent process because it is producing random information and over time, its self correcting due to a feed back system. Randomness is the engine of creativity.
Example: An electron has to be aware that it is in the near vicinity of another electron, even perhaps self-awareness that it is aware that it is in near proximity to another electron. The mutually repulsive force between them ensures that.
Another example: Two neutrons would have to be aware of their mutual gravitational attraction. That attraction might be incredibly tiny, but it’s not zero.
Also, if there is no such thing as absolute causality, then particles will do their particle thing at random. Or, particles will do their particle thing based on some nebulous awareness (maybe even self-awareness) which may, or may not, be or appear to be, random. Awareness would have to be restricted to particles, maybe up to and including atoms, even perhaps molecules, but anything more macro than that is just a label we give to that macro object, like a rock or chair or star or ice cube. The particles that make up what we label a table may each have awareness, but the table doesn't since the table can easily be reshaped into something else like a footstool or a pile of kindling. As a whole, a table isn't a system that integrates information to any degree.
But, at the living level, there's stuff which cannot be rearranged and awareness does appear above the particle, atomic and/or molecular levels. A unicellular organism or body cell, the most fundamental and basic of living structures, exhibits awareness and responds to external, even internal stimuli - think of white blood cells and their awareness of invading bacteria, or red blood cells and their awareness hence regulation of oxygen and carbon dioxide levels. But awareness probably stops at the cellular level. It would be incorrect to say that the circulatory system was aware or that the heart was aware. The exception would be brains or something similar to a nervous system, for example. And a biological life is a system that is emergent from the systems that support it all the way down to the self aware molecules and particles that combine and interact to 'build up' the complete biological system.
The paper called Causal entropic forces and is written by A. D. Wissner-Gross and C. E. Freer attempts to derive a general theory of intelligence from basic physical processes and “describes intelligent behavior as a way to maximize the capture of possible future histories of a particular system.”
The authors developed special software called Entropica that they apply to various examples, including a particle in a box, a cart and pole system, a tool use puzzle, and a social cooperation puzzle. Running these examples in the software the authors discover unexpected complex and intelligent behavior in systems that maximize the capture of their possible future histories. “Adaptive behavior might emerge more generally in open thermodynamic systems as a result of physical agents acting with some or all of the systems’ degrees of freedom so as to maximize the overall diversity of accessible future paths of their worlds.”
Could this be what the universe itself is doing?
If the universe is “maximizing the overall diversity of accessible future paths of the world” then we would have at least a beginning on an overriding principle why life and intelligence came about. DNA might be itself the foundation capturing information and “maximizing future histories” on long time scales. This is jsut what Richard Dawkins’ described as the “selfish gene”. What we generally think of as intelligence (planning, rational behavior, etc) is in this case, “maximizing” on real-time scales. The apparent fine-tuning of the universe for life comes about as our universe expands by the operations relating to maximization of future possibilities.
As to the God question, I suppose it could be argued that IF one defines God as the implicate order and intelligence of our reality, then God may be self evident. Or you could just call the universe the universe. Either way I find that the words we use aren't as important as what we actually believe or understand. However using the G word is a good conversation starter.
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"Example: An electron has to be aware that it is in the near vicinity of another electron, even perhaps self-awareness that it is aware that it is in near proximity to another electron. The mutually repulsive force between them ensures that.
Another example: Two neutrons would have to be aware of their mutual gravitational attraction. That attraction might be incredibly tiny, but it’s not zero."
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Awareness is not the notion I would proffer. It asks to be recognized as intelligence and I would not go anywhere near that notion even with your money. There are attributes in the known universe and attributes in that same expanse we probably have not experienced. We are stumble-bums in our own reality and beyond the physics of the noses on our faces I would certainly propose ignorance is our biggest attribute relative to the expanse of the universe. We understand "our electrons" and think we can see and calculate certain examples of it beyond our noses. But, that does not mean that the electron behaves strictly by those known data. What we observe but have not defined at this time could very well be electrons compelled to actions and events that elude our capacity to associate as such.
Like you better allude to, random chains of events in harmony and disharmony are at work and to evolve them in the imagination as intelligence is probably more ego-driven than science founded.
I'm the sort of person who truly believes Dirty Harry's assessment of life: "Man's gotta know his limitations."
And, absolute causality is not to be ruled out. In the sense of a deity as the cause, or any AI for that matter, I would dismiss it out of hand. But, strictly in the defined sense, causality is exactly that and nothing more. Cause and effect relationships are certainly at work. Humanity, which I attribute to a cosmic chemical crapshoot, is one we should embrace as our own chemical bath origin, aka primordial soup, as a complete example of causality. My wife would promptly knit an apologetic brow at that but, hey, even she knows her body is nothing but a chemical composition held inside an elastic bag support by a rigid structure. How the hell did that happen? Cause and effect relationships over time, and not a whole lot of time, considering it's place in a timeless and limitless system of composition and decomposition.
Awareness is not something I would consider. Man can't help himself, though, because he does not, will not, dismiss himself as alone in the cold and inexplicable expanse of the universe. He needs to associate consciousness in some familiar guise and sneaks intelligence, that old familiar rag, into his hypothesizing to build upon. Maybe it's because he knows people and their need to belong to something of an ultimate higher order. Maybe it's because a hint of hope is needed to make any recipe for hypothesizing palatable to the IM (ignern't masses). Who knows? I just know at every turn someone is proposing that only awareness (consciousness in another school of thought) provides the constructs of existence.
We have no privilege at this time to propose anything without a greater knowledge of it. Its attempts are not even close to intelligent in scope without it. The secular tolerance of theism's self-aggrandizing will have to wait a little longer before it's lost to the sciences.
You cannot claim the universe is exceptional when you only have knowledge of one example. It should be obvious that traits that lead to longevity will prosper, and traits that lead to life that has consciousness will tend to result in organisms thinking that the universe must have been designed that way.
The only part I found entirely accurate was "universe grows" which it appears to be (rapidly expanding).
You think the universe is intelligent. Okay. Prove it.
MCD "You think the universe is intelligent. Okay. Prove it."
I'd settle for him demonstrating a single shred of empirical evidence to support the claim.
I totally disagree!
1) You make an assumption that isn't proven at all, that the universe is "fine-tuned".
2) You say that you don't advocate "intelligent design" then advocate intelligent design.
3) You attribute "intelligence" to of all things....electrons. Having a gravitational or an electromagnetic attraction is NOT intelligence by any means.
Therefore I stopped reading your long-winded post.
The universe is random, not fine-tuned. Electrons don't have intelligence. There is no god no matter what you want to call him.
Seems like a theistic view to me, I love when people claim that they don't follow the mainstream theistic apologetics then go line by line with intelligent design.
Intelligent design is a silly argument to begin with, I don't think a 4 year old would have a problem seeing through its flaws
"Seems like a theistic view to me, I love when people claim that they don't follow the mainstream theistic apologetics then go line by line with intelligent design."
Creatards generally think dropping the pretence of magic apples and talking snakes lends gravitas to their superstition. What more should we expect from a demographic who think the world will be fooled into believing their superstition has scientific validity because no one will notice that all they've done is changed the name from creationism to intelligent design.
The term ‘intelligent design’ makes me chuckle all by itself.
When one considers the mountain of sub-optimal and outright flawed ‘designs’, it hardly qualifies as ‘intelligent ‘.
Sorry for the delay in responding. I was choking on a bite of apple because of the genius god design calling for air and food to go down the same tube when I read your response earlier.
The universe is intelligent compared to..... what???
Right; when someone says everything is X, they are providing exactly 0 information.