Let's assume for a second both god and Satan ( of the Bible ) are real...
how do you tell which one is good vs which one is evil?
Both can deceive you
Both have abilities above our understanding
Both were before man
What mechanisms do you use?
Let's start with this god said if Adam and Eve eat from the tree they will die... Satan said if they eat they won't die they will gain knowledge
Satan was the one telling the truth...
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Satan will be an elegantly attired with a trimmed beard. God will be a scruffy, hairy, bad-tempered old git wearing a bed sheet.
Wow. Without knowing it, you have painted the concept of good and evil (God vs Satan) very accurately (though metaphorically).
But which is which?
Satan as well trimmed and God as dirty and unpleasant to look at. This draws very accurately that the road to evil is very easy and pleasant while the road to good is usually hard to do or at least requires some form of self sacrifice.
That's all.
Jon the Catholic: "the road to evil is very easy and pleasant"
Or perhaps Satan represents the unrestrained potential of humanity, and god the force of primitive patriarchal conservatism thwarting every step forward
Careful algebe, that sounds awfully like satanism in the none hysterical sense
@Benjboi: "that sounds awfully like satanism"
Just a metaphor. But Satan has been portrayed in that light by a number of leading poets, such as Milton, Blake, Byron, and Mick Jagger.
The devil wears Prada. He also took over the christian religion somewhere about the 10th century. If he was real, he'd be cackling into his Dom Perignon and smoking the best Havanas.
God would have the most notches on his pistol grip. The ultimate serial killer.
Far worse than a serial killer, the god of the Bible is a genocidal psychopath!
He must exist in order to be what you claim. If he doesn’t exist, who is it that is doing the killing.
First you must show that the stories in the Bible actually match up with real historical events... for example Jewish slaves under Egyptian rule???
@AJ777 "He must exist in order to be what you claim."
No. You'll have to do better than that.
You can call a fictional character a murderer, etc. If I say Hannibal Lecter was a mass-murderer or the Klingons were aggressive and warlike, that doesn't imply that they exist.
I suggest you carefully read genesis. Did not Adam and Eve die? Your suggestion that God can deceive shows that you lack understanding of Christian theology.
Genesis is not a Christian book. Jewish!
Sure about that?
Are you going to say that they died spiritually.... oh so sad... oh wait if they are the fruit and there spirits were the ones that died then when did our spirits get reborn? See if constantly pick and choose then you don't want truth you want your truth and that is another fundamental problem with christians...
oh and thank you chimp3 remember Christian's only claim the Old Testament if it's the nice pretty parts that fit there story
“The Lord God took the man and put him in the garden of Eden to work it and keep it. And the Lord God commanded the man, saying, "You may surely eat of every tree of the garden, but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat of it you shall surely die."”
Genesis 2:15-17 ESV
http://bible.com/59/gen.2.15-17.esv
And aj777 your lack of an original thought is disgusting! Why can't you read the book for what it says? If this was truly a book from god he should have been very clear... just because your god doesn't even know how to clearly illustrate his point doesn't mean we give him a pass! If he was in seniors English class he would get a F- !
There's also the small point that if this god created the heavens and the earth and all that lies therein, he must created satan too. What a bloody hypocrite this god is!
You can say that again!
There's also the small point that if this god created the heavens and the earth and all that lies therein, he must created satan too. What a bloody hypocrite this god is!
He created you and I as well. We do evil, how does that make God a hypocrite?
Why do you always run away???
@AJ777
Yes, absolutely it does. You believe that your god made you, yes? And you believe that your god is all powerful, yes? That he knows everything, yes?
@AJ777
You claim that we atheists don't know the bible. The opposite is true. If you can't see the hypocrisy of the bible, of jesus, of god, then you are purposely blind.
Do you have any examples?
@AJ777
Are you going to run away again?
Keith- Of course God made Satan- along with free will..I don't see your point??
Oh, hello Sinner, sweetie, I thought you'd died and gone to heaven.
Mykcob4- please prove the "hypocrisy of Jesus" you speak of. Thanks!
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