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@simplicity:
I will repeat it to you again, the idea of a god, or gods, is much later than animism, totemism, etc., that means that the idea of gods or a god was created by believers so long ago that religious belief that attributes to all beings, objects and phenomena of nature a soul or vital principle and it's the basis of your stupid belief that you have soul.
Do you understand, or do I have to make a sketch with colored cards?
@Simplicity: "The only way an idea can exist is if someone who knows its only an idea creates it."
No. You have no logical grounds for that claim. A narrative that one person conceived as absolute truth may be interpreted as just an idea by another person.
An idea is not as real as a car. A car will always have wheels, seats, a body, and engine. It will do predictable things in response to certain actions. An idea is evanescent, constantly changing. An idea will never appear exactly the same to two different people. And if the brain containing an idea dies, the idea is gone forever.
A car will never appear the same to two different people either because they both have different perspectives. the stucture of the eye alone tells us this.
An idea is as real as a car. I can create an idea and tell you about it and you will be affected by it in some way shape or form...therefore an idea is real.
@simplicity:
The structure of the eye is not relevant, it is not your eye who sees things, it is your brain who sees things through the eye, more, it is your brain who sees, hears, or touches things, and it is your brain who interprets all these stimuli and interprets them.
It's important that you understand this point, repeat with me, my brain sees, my eyes don't.
When someone says "that the force be with you" is expressing the idea that force, as a form of expression of a latent nature that we can access if we learn to stimulate part of the brain... "These are not the droids that are seeking"... pure shit, the same pure shit that god bless you, the same.
Of course you can create an idea and call it The Lord of the Rings, but that makes it as real as Moby Dick, The Dark Tower, or Tropic of Capricorn.
Mature, idiot ¬¬)-♫
Why do you say an Atheist created a god or gods? Theist would have been the ones to create any god myths. Theists and religion are responsible for the death of millions of people. My claim is, there is a lack of evidence a god or gods existing.
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If a person believes in god or claims to know that a god exists then they themselves cannot create it...because it already is in existance. An atheist claims god does not exist...therefore only an atheist can create the idea of a god. Evryone else either believes or knows. And by virtue of that fact then it (god) is already in existance. But we are talking about an atheist veiwpoint that there is no god. but we have religions and discussions on the topic of god. Back to the start....only an atheist could create the idea, the concept of god therefore they are ultimately responsible for religion and the millions of deaths incurred by religion.
simplicity
Humans have had religion for thousands of years. What proof do you have that an Atheist created any god or gods?
Because the consequences of an action are not always immediately obvious?
Simplicity, you said, "You claim god does not exist."
No, no, no! I am identified as atheist and I make no such claim.
Huh?
I make no claim. I simply reject theist claims that god(s) exist. Making a claim and rejecting a claim are two very different things.
Hardly, I can't think of a situation where that distinction makes much difference. Maybe in court? "I didn't rape her your honor, I simply rejected not having sex with her."
On the contrary. During a criminal trial, a jury or judge does not determine if the accused is innocent. They determine if s/he is guilty or nor guilty. A verdict of not guilty is not equal to innocence. Likewise, I can reject the claim that god(s) exists without having to say god(s) does not exist.
Like I said, the only place where that distinction probably matters is court.
That distinction is incredibly import across many fields: logic, philosophy, mathematics, and probably many more.
What about statistics? Rejection of the null hypothesis means accepting the alternative hypothesis.
I'll grant the distinction may be important in those fields, that's kind of my point. That distinction is meaningless in every day conversations (which this is). We have a name for getting technical in every day speech, its called playing semantics.
Because the alternative and null hypothesis are specifically crafted to be disjoint; what you two are discussing is not disjoint: you are engaging in a false dichotomy.
Saying that a theist has not provided enough evidence to support the claim of the existence of god(s) is just not the same as saying there aren't any gods. John, I am what one might call an agnostic atheist. I have no belief in any gods and I have no knowledge one way or the other.
I see, then why assume all comments made of atheists are meant for you? By including the adjective agnostic, wouldn't that imply you aren't the subject of the comments?
I know generalizations are pet peeve of yours, but aren't you generalizing comments to include you when you know they don't?
The OP, to whom I originally responded with that to which you seem to take exception, did not specify a particular atheist. In fact, the OP invited responses both overtly and by virtue of posting in a debate forum. I responded. I never, to my knowledge, said anything akin to "all atheists think / are such and thus." As I recall, I consistently used a personal pronoun in my replies.
Like I said CyberLN....that is perfectly fine. When you pull your head from the sand you can then ask who the heck came up with the BS story that has so many people screwed up and annoying me by continually stating that god exists. See this is the problem when you don't fully question "everything". God may not exist...I dont know. But I want to know if he or it does not....who made up the bullsit?
fine then. So ask yourself this....if god does not exist? who created the myth...the story? It's easy to walk away from responsibility but the question will always remain.....who came up with the lie?
Simplicity: ".who came up with the lie?"
Perhaps a liar did.
Perhaps a liar came up with the lie......you should think about what that means then
@simplicity:
Precisely that's the problem, there are lies about lies and over lies that people like you believe truths, beginning with the existence of the soul, whatever that is, and ending with the existence of worlds and imaginary people.
The issue is not that it happens, because the sight is happening, the question is that it is a chain of nonsense that has affected the world for more than 2000 years and forces people like me, who do not have religious beliefs to put up with people like you... and I FED UP of people like you.
simplicity: "If god does not exist it stands to reason that only an atheist could create the concept of god. Therefore, if god truly does not exist why create a concept that has turned into many religions that has been responsible for the deaths of millions upon millions of people?"
Now, which god are we talking about?
Any god you want to create....everyone else is just listening to your story....and believeing it. And as the atheist veiw is there is no god...then your story is full of shit, basically. How does that make you feel? Knowing your veiwpoint is responsible for everyones ills?
Simplicity: " And as the atheist veiw is there is no god."
Oy. I am what you would call an atheist. You obviously do not understand what that is.
CyberLN....I listen to what an atheist says...there is no proof of god. that is all I need to understand to then ask the question "if there is no proof then there may not be a god and if there is not a god who created the concept/idea/lie of one? Ok. Thats all i need to understand at present abouth atheists. You say "no eveidence" i ask questions!
".I listen to what an atheist says..."
Which atheist?
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