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simplicity: I have no desire to create any god.
I don't claim that gods don't exist. This is not complicated. I don't believe the stories theists tell about gods existing. The time to believe claims by others that gods exist is when they provide proof that gods exist. Do you have proof that you would care to share with us? Hint: the answer is NO
MCD....No you dont believe the stories but you do not want to know who created the stories...and that is your problem and your burden. That is not complicated. You simply stop at "I dont believe that story." Yet you are not interested in the author of the story, why the story was created, the type of person the story teller was or anything...you just close your mind. And that is why you cannot see that only an atheist could create such a story.
I wonder if simplicity believes in Vishnu, Allah, or Zeus? Does he believe people created those gods?
Chimp....I don't believe in any of those. And I'm not interested in that. What I want to know is.......
If there are no god or gods whatsoever.....who came up with the lie of there being so and why? And are they going to take responsibility for the carnage that has ensued.
If atheism states there cannot be god or gods due to lack of evidence then....fine. But that still leaves the questions....who, what, when and why?
And the best answer so far is it was an atheist...which means you lot are in the firning line.
@simplicity:
Ok! You do not believe in any of those other gods. Why do you assume your god is the god I have to disprove? Disprove the others and I might consider you credible!
Chimp...seriously dude...where do you see me writing about anything I believe in? Why do you keep assuming this?
@simplicity:
Don't be so milquetoast! Commit!
@CHIMP....Take some damn responsibility! I do not have to believe...simple!
When it comes to creating Gods, I think it is worth asking the question 'who would benefit from pushing this belief on an ignorant population? Remember that primitive populations subject to the vagaries of natural disasters and living in fear would be ripe for explanations in the form of Godly anger and would then listen to self professed 'go betweens' who would then have the power to control their behaviour. Religions are fundamentally power bases. Ask yourself who rises to the top of societies where that kind of power can be wielded. That's where you'll find the inventors of Gods. They may themselves be atheists - whatever that would mean in a society that as yet had no Gods to consciously reject - though I suspect that, for their religion to succeed they would have to feign belief themselves. A few generations down the line ... who knows. A ruling elite or priesthood secure in its power and privileges would have a vested interest in perpetuating the belief and would go to great lengths to indoctrinate the ignorant masses.
When it comes to creating Gods, I think it is worth asking the question 'who would benefit from pushing this belief on an ignorant population? Answer.....an atheist. Someone who knows there is no such thing as god.
Remember that primitive populations subject to the vagaries of natural disasters and living in fear would be ripe for explanations in the form of Godly anger and would then listen to self professed 'go betweens' who would then have the power to control their behaviour. Once again...an atheist. Only a person who knows there is no such thing as a god.
Religions are fundamentally power bases. Born out of the bullshit ateist story.
hat's where you'll find the inventors of Gods. They may themselves be atheists - WELL THERE YOU GO! THE TRUTH COMES OUT!!
I have proof! Joy attained in suffering, contentment in sacrifice, selfless love...the fact that non-believers devote precious time to arguing against the existence of what you hold in the same regard as Bigfoot! True Christianity is NOT a scientific theory or set of beliefs to be proven or disproven through anthropological exploration viewed through the lens of our flawed humanity. Pure Christianity is a paradox. This is why behaviors and actions that are directly in opposition with animal instincts and evolutionary tendencies bring joy, not necessarily happiness but joy to the Christian. God is love, not some bearded old guy in the clouds, but the very idea and reality of love itself. Humans throughout history are created to yearn for His love...this is why even atheists struggle with the subject! Humbly submitted...forgive misspellings or sloppy grammar please!
@sinner: Why the hell does anything you just wrote constitute proof?
Do any of the millions of known organisms on earth worship or gather to serve a God? Do any of them desire to serve strangers, against their natural desires, in order to advance their own contentment? Any of them aware of their own eventual death? Any creatures that welcome suffering in atonement for the betterment of their society? We were set apart. Not because of a big boom, but because of our Creator.
@sinner: "joy attained in suffering"
So, people who are into S and M are true believers?
So crazy how many of the atheist posts eventually revert to deviant sexual fantasies! Yes, joy in suffering- unites situations like someone suffering with cancer who has the chance to reconcile with loved ones, knowing of their death; unites Christians to Christ suffering on the cross. Provides joy to cancer patient and loved ones too. Another paradox!
Dude, I have had cancer. There was exactly zero joy in it.
@sinner: So, you are admitting that the joy found in being whipped by a sadist and the joy found in whipping by a sadist are equivalent to Jesus suffering on the cross?
Joy in suffering. Talk about disassociation with reality. How does suffering equate to joy and who will honestly claim to be consumed by joy because they can share in the pain of others? That's a wholesale bunch of the most insincere nonsense believers have foisted upon themselves since their meme complex compelled them to parrot it.
Here, enjoy the pain of my cancer because I'm so convinced by your diatribe that you wish to share such suffering with me. I'm truly blessed that I can pass onto you by your own desire the pain no man should endure alone. Thank you so much for letting me help your flesh rot, symbolically speaking.
Who are you trying to kid? This is just one very small line of crap no sentient human being is going to buy into from the depths of the Christian propaganda machine. Read much? I suggest you do and then return. Here -
http://www.bidstrup.com/virus.htm
To the OP, I'm still trying to fathom you proposition that god is the invention, and not the antagonism of atheism, or is one in the same given to your logic. You are compelled to think that a god must have been the idea (a living thought) of a simultaneous countering postulate. You suggest atheism creates a god for the sole purpose of invalidating it in a single thought. All the while others simply bought into the idea of that god with no reservations or problems with it being created and denounced simultaneously by your proposition. Okay. That's an insanity that questions your capacity for mentoring children straight away much less suggesting that logic is part of the dark, inexplicable subconscious side denounced as evil by your meme complex. Plus, what does that tell us about your proposed adherents who bought into the idea of that kind of a created god-image? You do yourself no favor by this proposition and may I advise you to speak for yourself. I'm pretty sure there would be at least one objection to your idea of theism's origins.
I don't doubt that you cannot comprehend joy in suffering. Here's a simple one. Mothers joy during labor as she bears a new child. Are you saying this is impossible?
Sinner: "Mothers joy during labor as she bears a new child."
I thought that suffering was supposed to be punishment for Eve's sin. Are women supposed to take pleasure in it as well?
Have you ever been present at a childbirth? The joy comes right at the end when the baby is safely delivered.
I don't know if impossible, but the most likely is the use of the epidural, the statistic is very fucking with the joy in suffering Ôo)-♫
Chimp- no, close but you've mistaken pleasure for joy. Joy is lasting. Pleasure is not.
@sinner:
I am a nurse who routinely administers morphine to humans suffering the dying process. I have never found any signs or symptoms of joy.. May I assume you are a Catholic?
Yes! Thank you. Suffering and death are REQUIRED to enter eternal life. I know we often can't see it- I can't either, but I'm trying. I think the "ultimate" is dying to self, and literally praying for death. I know it's completely against our human nature in the natural way we think. I'm not there yet- I think only "Saintly" Christians recognize this. Thanks for the back and forth.
@sinner:
You sick mother fucker!
I am very sick! Not a mother fucker tho... wouldn't you agree that Christianity requires death for eternal life? If more Christians truly lived the faith and provided a better witness, maybe less atheists- more our fault than yours.
@sinner:
All you have convinced me of is that you have joined a cult of death and suffering. Why is that of any value?
You and I were both born into death and suffering friend...I'm sure we can agree on that. We all die. We all suffer...there is a beautiful reason!
@sinner:
I was born alive!
I have no interest in death cults!
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