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@CyberLN
I suggest you take a few minutes to search why the translation of the meaning of the Holy Qur'an is difficult and why the verses can be translated in multiple ways each being equally correct.
It isn't picking and choosing really. The Qur'an can only be read in Arabic. This is a translation of the meaning of the Qur'an what we're talking about here. Of course when someone wants to make such a book they choose just one possible way of translating the meaning of each verse for that one book.
Anyone who wishes to study the Qur'an properly must either study it in Arabic or rely on the multiple possible translations in the English language as well as to dwell in the grammar of the Arabic language.
There is no easy way to deeply understanding the Qur'an.
Then why, Leper, are there so very many differing interpretations across Arabic speaking people?
CyberLN
They aren't differing interpretations in the sense that one thinks x is correct and another thinks y is correct. Like in the tafser I showed you, the translator recognises the other translation as also correct. He has had two equal options and had to pick one for his book.
[sarcasm]Well I guess since it is proved, this is the end of the Atheist Republic. It was fun while it lasted, but apparently we were wrong all along! All that is left is for Leper to post this proof, and there will be no reason to continue. I'll miss you guys![/sarcasm]
blockquote>leper "The scientific information within it proves it cannot have been written by man. It couldn't have been written by man 100 years ago. And there are still scientific discoveries that will be made and we will find an explanation for them from the Qur'an."
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What a load of old horse shit, if that ludicrous claim were true those discoveries would never need to be made by science, the writers of the koran would have discovered them along with evidence and a full scientific explanation. This is the one of the most tired old cliches Muslims trot out, it's beyond asinine. It has a fucking flying horse in it, and creationism ffs, these are in direct contradiction with known scientific facts.
It is always amusing to me when a theist paints themselves into a corner. And then eithir not even realize it, or try to "argue" their way out of being painted into a corner, when the fact remains they still painted themselves into a corner.
Side note here:
Leper's profile indicates female. Just an observation, but the posts I have read by Leper do not have much of a female tone to them. Granted, I could be totally wrong about this, but... *sniff-sniff*... Ewww... *holding nose*... am I the only one smelling dirty gym socks in here?
@Tin-Man
You could at least pretend to try and refute.
Refute what? We are still patiently waiting for this proof you eluded to:
You will be posting this proof, right? I mean, surely you aren't just a troll who came here and told us that something proves we've all be wrong this whole time, and yet not post the proof? Right?
Someone ask what kind of information. I said the universe is expanding.
@Leper
You said it was proved. Can you post the proof?
@Nyarlathotep
What was proved?
Since it has been proved, then all the atheists on this site (myself included) are wrong. Now we are just waiting for you to post the proof so we can get started on our ex-atheist future lives. Surely you wouldn't tell us it is proved, if you don't have the proof. So could you please post this proof?
That is unless you were just trolling us when you told us that it was proved.
@Nyarlathotep
I don't know what exactly you can be expecting. I said "the scientific information within it proves" - so all I can think of is you want me to post the verses of the Qur'an and the scientific information.
I picked up one example for it. No one has said much about it yet. So that is part of the "proof".
Yeah, I'm not sure what to expect either, since I can't image there is anyway to prove that, even if it were true. But you said it had been proved so I'm curious how it was proved, or if you were just trolling us.
@Nyarlathotep
So follow the discussion.
If you're just looking for a list or lecture or an encyclopedia-like article, go Google it. There's tons of those to be found regarding this topic.
If you want to actually learn what it's about you have to take one thing at a time. Most central would of course be to start by reading the Qur'an but since we want to be realistic, just try to follow the discussion.
@Leper
At this point should we assume you were lying when you said it was proved? I mean what would you do if I said it was proved god does not exist, but refused to provide you the proof? Wouldn't you assume I was full of shit?
@Leper Re: "You could at least pretend to try and refute."
Well, you see, the problem is that I have this strange little quirk that prevents me from doing that. For some odd reason I cannot explain, I have this weird aversion to arguing with smelly clothing items. I know, I know... Crazy, right? But - hey - try not to worry yourself too much about it. It's not your fault, and I do plan to eventually seek therapy in hopes of being cured.
Some conversations just aren't worth having! Someone should get a job with NASA and straighten them the fuck out!
@Cognostic
Absolutely, with more than two billion theists already having all the knowledge of the reality, how the hell are we still using combustion engines to move our fat asses.
But something is confusing me,... really it is nothing, I must be mistaken...
"Leper
Where did it talk about the four fundamental forces? Where did it talk about space-time being intrinsically bonded?...
Why are you not addressing these facts? Anyway, you are saying a "globe", so this is enough to debunk your claim that the Koran gives scientific knowledge.
Isolated system? How so?
Space? You know, the thing between objects... or in euclidean geometry: x, y, z. Oh and let's not forget this:
"Till, when he reached the setting-place of the sun, he found it setting in a muddy spring, and found a people thereabout. We said: O Dhu'l-Qarneyn! Either punish or show them kindness. .... Till, when he reached the rising-place of the sun, he found it rising on a people for whom We had appointed no shelter therefrom." (Qur'an 18:86-90)."
I said this
Leper answered me this
"Talyyn
Because it is besides the point. The question is not whether it mentions a specific x and y - that you want to bring up because you naively assume if it's complicated enough it can't be mentioned - but what it does mention and is it enough. If you're interested in a particular matter and its place in the Qur'an you can also search it yourself if it isn't closely connected to the discussion.
A closed system means it can change energy with its surroundings.
Did you object to the scientific fact mentioned in the Qur'an that the universe is continuously expanding or are you just turning away from that topic because you don't like it?
That's a description of an experience."
Furthermore, there is this too:
...Which was never answered.
@Talyyn
Thats a very simple question with simple answer if you have even the most basic knowledge of Islam or even just reading comprehension. Also I think I've addressed that before but maybe it was with someone else.
Anyway, it describes an experience. How a person sees things. Even if you'd like to clam other wise the quran elsewhere makes notions that would contradict that.
@Leper
...sigh... Now you are accusing me of not having knowledge of islam or being to dumb to read a simple sentence. I am sure therefore that you are just playing fun of me and being overall obfuscating. I do not find that very respectful and i have just attacked your assertions, nothing else.
If you think you have addressed , then provide the message when you have done it, since you are making an assertion, and provide the verses referenced in the quote below.
I provided you a verse that are completely moronic in light of modern scientific facts, then you ignored this two fucking times.
I think, Leper, that you are wasting our time being here, but more importantly, you are wasting yours.
@ Leper RE" Talyyn - Sooooo.... The short answer seems to be .... "If it doesn't make any sense at all, it's only a metaphor and not to be taken seriously." That's the same religious bullshit the Christians use. Wow - Are there any differences at all in these two world views?
Could you just change your handle to 'Captain Vague'.
I'm still waiting for an example of a "scientific miracle".
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