Preaching in a Vacuum.

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Sheldon's picture
"I know my GOD exist"

"I know my GOD exist"

>>>Then demonstrate some evidence Billy, so far all you've managed is common logical fallacies and sententious preaching.

"Prove there is no such thing as "

>>>Argument from ignorance (from Latin: argumentum ad ignorantiam), also known as appeal to ignorance (in which ignorance represents "a lack of contrary evidence") is a fallacy in informal logic.

"by my moral Christian life."

>>>Your moral posturing is less impressive after we all saw you gleefully celebrate the death of another human being from cancer as "deserved", your posts have shown repeatedly you don't even know what morality is.

"There aren`t many ways as you say countless deities to belief in GOD ."

You'll have to translate that into English for me Billy, as I have no idea what it means.

"My GOD is very real like the air that I breathe."

>>>As usual you display woeful ignorance of facts, as we can demonstrate evidence for the air we breathe, but you have failed to offer any for your deity. The rest of your post is pointless and irrelevant proselytising, and I don't give a fuck what the bible says Billy, unless you can demonstrate objective evidence to corroborate the claim. You have completely ignored everything in my post though, quelle surprise. Here's my question again since you ignored it completely.

What are your arguments against the thousands of deities you don't believe in?

xenoview's picture
@FIG

@FIG
You seem to think Atheist have a belief, Atheism is a lack of belief in a god or gods. Can you prove a god is real? Can you prove it is your god?

algebe's picture
@fiath in God: your post and

@fiath in God: your post and thread doesn`t prove that there is no GOD

I'm sure that none of the atheists here care whether you believe or not. So why are you so worried about our disbelief?

algebe's picture
@Faith in God: Why don`t you

@Faith in God: Why don`t you list reasons why you don`t believe there is a god

Unanswered prayers smallpox Ebola Rwanda popes earthquakes tsunami cancer leukemia the 30 Years War St Bartholemew's Day Massacre Mormons Anglicans Catholics Baptists Methodists Evangelists child-buggering priests Creflo Dollar's planes and cars ethnic cleansing shias sunnis circumcision female genital mutilation Westboro Baptist Church World War I World War II Hiroshima/Nagasaki the Bible the Bakkers the virgin cult venomous jellyfish parasitic wasp larvae syphilis AIDS Magdalene Laundries

Old man shouts at clouds's picture
@ Algebe

@ Algebe
*Stands up and applauds wildly* Crowd goes mad, toilet rolls and flares as Algebe hits that one right out the park Wooowee!

bigbill's picture
All the things sited don`t

All the things sited don`t nullify the Judean-Christian GOD. In fact it only enhances it. In order to list the tragedies and evil that you mentioned there has to be a good to measure it against. There is such a thing as a standard of good. We all know it deep within ourselves .When you look at how Jesus suffered and the pain that he endured Jesus stood for what was good in this world, He was sinless perfect deity human God man. Jesus now suffers with us in what we experience in our daily lives .He is total truth and righteous.

David Killens's picture
Do you have children? Do you

Do you have children? Do you intentionally inflict pain on them so they have a measure? Of course not, that is sick and sadistic.

If you believe your god practices that, you have bowed your knee to a sick and sadistic belief system.

xenoview's picture
@FIG

@FIG
Can you prove there is a god? Can you prove it is your god?

algebe's picture
@Faith in god: In order to

@Faith in god: In order to list the tragedies and evil that you mentioned there has to be a good to measure it against.

I once saw a man banging his head on a wall. I asked him why he did it. He said because it feels so good when I stop.

I think that's the Christian mentality. When your god stops torturing you, you think it's being good to you.

Sheldon's picture
"Why don`t you list reasons

"Why don`t you list reasons why you don`t believe there is a god, "

Why don't you? I only disbelieve one more from the thousands that you don't believe exist. You even claim to not know if any exist, so how absurd is that to capriciously pick one and claim it's real.

The rest of your post has to be one of the biggest irony overloads ever.

mickron88's picture
this is you FIG..look...

this is you FIG..look...

FIG: blahh blahh blahhh...i'm right you're wrong..blahh..blahh..blahhh...

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Sky Pilot's picture
faith in God fo...,

faith in God fo...,

"you can`t prove that there is no God!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!."

Unlike other people, I simply don't give a damn if there is just one God or a trillion of them. http://www.graveyardofthegods.org/deadgods/listofgods.html

In the Bible the Yeshua (Jesus) character gave a simply test to prove his existence. Not one person in 2,000 years has ever believed in him enough to pass that simple test. So even if he does exist no one, not even you, gives a damn.

Sheldon's picture
Argumentum ad ignorantiam.

Argumentum ad ignorantiam.

A common logical fallacy, and since you've been told this multiple times your rank dishonesty here is reinforcing Mykcob's point quite nicely. Basically you don't care that you're posting a lie.

Billy says "right now we just don`t "

That's correct, but do you usually believe things you have no proper evidence for Billy? One assumes you're a polytheist then, who believes in every deity he can't disprove. Does that sound any more rational than your argument from ignorance opener?

"it looks like there is a likelihood that there is a God "

I thought you didn't know? Now in the same post you make strident unevidenced claim to know? Come on Billy this is precisely what this thread is talking about.

"But to play it safe as paschal wager notes is the wisest thing to do."

And which deity of the thousands humans have created Billy, are you claiming is stupid and immoral enough to be fooled by such an asinine bluff?

We couldn't have wished for a better example of what the thread is talking about than your dishonest, idiotic and condescending preaching, well done Billy. I think I'll stop posting as nothing I can say could so eloquently refute superstitious hokum as your woefully
ill-informed verbiage.

Old man shouts at clouds's picture
@ Sheldon

@ Sheldon
Watches the heavens wonderingly as Sheldon's response flies way over FIG/AB/Billy's head.....

Dave Matson's picture
@FIG,

@FIG,

I can't prove, with 100% certainty, that there is no Easter Bunny either!

The parallel between God and the Easter Bunny is a lot closer than you might think! Arguments for either have holes in them big enough to drive an 18-wheeler through. Both have powers (assigned or implied) that flatly contradict what we know best about our universe--its natural laws.

Moreover, as noted in another thread, "proof" is not the word that applies to statements about our world of atoms and energy, and anything that might affect the same. In the real world arguments are judged by their degree of credibility. If they are highly credible we sometimes loosely say that they are "proven," but that is not to be taken in the sense of 100% certainty. On that basis I'd say that "God" is about as credible as the Easter Bunny. If "God" seems more respectable it is because of 2000 years of propaganda at all levels of culture.

As to Pascal's Wager, which one of the hundreds (thousands?) of religious sects should we place our bets on?

In my opinion, a god who requires belief in stupid things compounded by a lack of real evidence is not a god I'd care to associate with.

CyberLN's picture
Myk, you wrote, “Bare this in

Myk, you wrote, “Bare this in mind you are "PREACHING IN A VACUUM!"”

People may be preaching in YOUR vacuum, but they may not be preaching someone else’s view. My advice to you is to speak for yourself, not others here. If you do not want to read posts from folks you dislike hearing, fucking ignore them...walk on by. Theists are welcome to post here. They are even welcome to do what you call preaching. And everyone has the option to ignore it, agree with it, or challenge it. It’s just NOT up to you what someone can or cannot say here. You may think you have heard it all, but you are not the only one here.

And as a wee side note, you may think the no bullying rule was specific only to you but that would be an error leading you to that assumption. And make no mistake, it is an assumption. The rule is meant for everyone.

mykcob4's picture
AH, CyberLN you just couldn't

AH, CyberLN you just couldn't wait to "chew me out" could you? If we can post what we want, I wanted to inform the theists that come here just what they are doing. If you think that my posts are wrong you are free to just "fucking ignore it".

chimp3's picture
I enjoy debate.

I enjoy debate.

bigbill's picture
you like to see conflict don

you like to see conflict don`t you Chimp, well I don`t I`m a peaceful humble follower of my Lord and savior Jesus Christ. the bible states clearly to live in peace with all men. What you are encouraging here is debate that may lead to polemic mistreatment ad hominem attacks, that is what your salivating for isn`t it.

chimp3's picture
You just made an ad hominem

You just made an ad hominem attack against me! LOL!

Tin-Man's picture
@Chimp Re: FIG attack

@Chimp Re: FIG attack

No-no, Chimp. That wasn't an attack, that was "constructive criticism." You really should brush up on your double-speak skills. lol

chimp3's picture
Double speak! You did not

Double speak! You did not know FIG a year ago when he was an atheist!

Tin-Man's picture
@Chimp Re: when FIG was an

@Chimp Re: when FIG was an atheist

Oh. Yeah. Hmmm.... Perhaps, then, maybe it is ME who needs to brush up on my triple-speak. Hell, maybe even quadruple-speak, considering who we are dealing with. *scratching chin*

Old man shouts at clouds's picture
@ FIG

@ FIG

Still waiting for your proofs.......

mykcob4's picture
@FIG

@FIG
Humble? Peaceful? MY dyin' ass! You are such a fucking liar FIG a goddamned liar!

Sheldon's picture
"I`m a peaceful humble

"I`m a peaceful humble follower"

What a nauseous lie. You were the one who gleefully celebrated another human being dying of cancer. Rank hypocrisy alongside rank dishonesty.

"the bible states clearly to live in peace with all men. "

Except the Amalakites of course, oh and the canaanites, and every man women and child murdered in Noah's flood one assumes? Can you really be this obtuse by accident Billy? I'm dubious.

"polemic mistreatment ad hominem attacks"

Like you gleefully celebrating the death from cancer of another human being you mean? Your pious bullshit might be slightly less odious if we hadn't seen what a deeply unpleasant fellow you really are Billy.

Sheldon's picture
You still don't understand

You still don't understand the meaning of ad hominem do you? I'll give you a clue Billy, your posts skips briefly past what chimp said to try and infer personal observations about him rather than anything he said.

David Killens's picture
I disagree. In your post

I disagree. In your post dated Fri, 03/09/2018 - 07:22 you expressed support for evil and misfortune in order to establish a measure of good.

I consider myself a person who embraces peace, and any act of violence or misfortune to others is something I consider completely unacceptable. I will not stand by if a woman is raped, I will call child protective services on anyone if I believe a child is at risk, and I will intervene if I see someone beating a dog. I will not tolerate such horrors in the name of teaching anyone any measure of good.

Grinseed's picture
Are we really waiting on

Are we really waiting on proof and evidence for theist claims?....Smoke me another kipper, its gonna be a loooong wait.
I'd rather sow seeds of doubt.

Sky Pilot's picture
As it says in Proverbs 29:9

As it says in Proverbs 29:9(TPT) = "There’s no use arguing with a fool, for his ranting and raving prevent you from making a case and settling the argument in a calm way."

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