Petition: Prosecute Joshua Feuerstein for inciting to violence

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ThePragmatic's picture
Petition: Prosecute Joshua Feuerstein for inciting to violence

This man deserves to get jail time...
https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/prosecute-joshua-feuerstein-at...

Joshua Feuerstein:
"I say tonight, we punish Planned Parenthood. I think it's time abortion doctors should have to run and hide and be afraid for their life."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=igYmwRh70HM

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Vincent Paul Tran's picture
I think that's only a veiled

I think that's only a veiled threat. I think he may be responsible for future violence, but unless he directly commissions a direct attack on someone, like a fatwah or something, it is unprosecutable

Nyarlathotep's picture
Yeah, here in the States,

Yeah, here in the States, being a dick isn't against the law.

Nutmeg's picture
I think Vinnie is probably

I think Vinnie is probably right, but it's a shame; the man is a disgrace.

ThePragmatic's picture
"Yeah, here in the States,

"Yeah, here in the States, being a dick isn't against the law."

Ain't that the truth!

Out of curiosity, what are the technical boundaries for freedom of speech in the U.S.?
People are not allowed to say anything, like for example asking specifically for killing in a public speech?

To continue about the inciting buffoon...
"Pastor Encourages Followers To Use Guns To Fight Against Same-Sex Marriage Rights"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xF8uN9En2dQ (image below)

And of course there is "Steven Anderson", the Baptist pastor in Arizona that says the cure for aids is found in the Bible: "kill all gay people".

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Nyarlathotep's picture
For speech to be consider a

For speech to be consider a crime (in the USA) it has to meet several standards which are difficult to meet. Some examples are:

It must be a credible threat. For example if I tell you I'm going to drop a nuclear bomb on your house, that does not meet the standard. No reasonable person would believe I have access to nuclear bombs.

It must be immediate. If I say I'm going to go to your house and shoot you next Christmas, that isn't immediate.

It must also be specific. Saying I'm going to make you pay for what you did, is not specific.

Basically the bar is so high, it is very difficult to get a successful prosecution. That being said it is a grey area, but the courts have a long history of siding with speech. Here is a couple of interesting cases:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NAACP_v._Claiborne_Hardware_Co.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brandenburg_v._Ohio

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