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Alain, this is just a language issue.
I understand the confusion in using "distance" with time, that is not a common application of those two words. And there is no substitute with "element" as you are using the word for.
I am not really sure what you mean.
To me the evolution is measured in time so time is all about an index of measurement which has nothing to do with being a component of the universe.
Huge. Ginormous.
In your context, the difference is huge. Ginormous. I am now lowering your age to about 10 years old.
But in your context they CANNOT be used interchangeably.
Element: one of a class of substances that cannot be separated into simpler substances by chemical means.
Component: being or serving as a constituent part of a system.
Totally different in the context you are using. Again, quit skipping classes.
Yes. Time does NOT measure distance.
What does this have to with the question of whether time measures distance or not?
A component of what?
My advice for you, Alain, is to study up in school and come back in about 10 years. By then you may have graduated high school and getting ready for college.
rmfr
An element is called such for the simple reason that it is part of complex consisting of many different and connected parts therefore is a component of that whole so the two words mean the same thing.
Of course I leave to you the last word if you like.
I just lost interest in this particular issue.
Cheers.
WOW! Are you confused. Are you really young and have you ever had a science class?
You said: "The universe id made of five fundamental factors." You should find whoever told you this lie and beat him or her with a stick. Do you have any idea at all how utterly silly it sounds.
Atoms are the building blocks of the universe. Atoms are in air, light, water, all matter and even in empty space. Long ago we believed atoms to be mostly empty space, but empty space not empty any more. The reason it looked empty was because electrons and photons don't interact with the stuff that is there, There is no such thing as empty space anywhere.
"The universe can not be called the whole?" I have no idea at all what you are thinking but the universe is all we have. If it is not the whole, please show me something else that is not in the universe. Consciousness is in the universe. Water in in the universe. Space, air and light are in the universe. What is this stuff outside the universe that you are talking about and how do you know it is out there since we don't even know if there is an "out there."
As we know, every instance of consciousness is accompanied by a brain or at a minimum something physical (If you want to assert a tree is conscious because it's leaves can follow the sun.) There is no consciousness absent a brain. So where is this brain that has this consciousness?
Frankly speaking, as long as we are in the land of imagination, Super developed blue universe creating bunnies could also be called the whole. In fact, using your same logic, I can insert any mythology that I like into the creator of the universe position and it will have as much factual truth as your magic brain theory.
Seriously; Find the person who is teaching you this stuff and hit him in the head with a stick. It's really bizarre.
1) True. Atoms are everywhere yet according their status they form different elements, elements or components that form this universe.
2) The universe can not be called whole because consciousness can survive death as already been proven by thousand of NDEs and therefore exit this physical dimension or universe.
3) Once again consciousness does not have to go hand in hand with a brain as already been proven by thousand of NDEs.
Cheers.
NDE's have been debunked.
Not that I know David.
How can you contradict a doctor that say that the person is really dead or the fact that a person really had that particular problem that is also recorded in writing in a particular hospital or the independent witnesses that agree that the NDE recipient really saw what was happening to his body by the medical staff?
Are you serious?
NDEs have been debunked. Do some more research young child.
rmfr
Ok. in this case you got to explain how it is possible for a dead person to see from above what was happening in the casualty room to his body with all doctors and nurses working try to revive it.
How a dead person can see what is going on.
The only answer is that the consciousness disconnect from the dead body which again means that only the body die not us.
Where is this disprove that you are talking about?
Because they weren't dead? Hence the term: near death experience; not death experience.
I am serious. I had an NDE and only had a vivid dream.
And if you desire to support your claim, please provide some proof? What doctor, where? When?
Because in valid NDE tests, they came up blank. For many persons who experienced the NDE they had a profound experience. But they did not observe outside of their bodies.
That is all an NDE is. The body and brain are under extreme stress, weird dreams happen.
1) Here I provide a link that you can go through if you like.
You get real people, real death, real hospital and doctors and real witnesses.
2) Doctors only declare a person dead when the heart stop and when that happen after few seconds no more blood and oxygen goes through the brain so your so called ......under extreme stress doesn't apply because the person is dead and a dead person does not stress.
https://www.nderf.org/Archives/exceptional.html
1) I did read that link. It is just full of feel-good stories of "I was in a bright and wonderful place". Those are just dreams, and have no validity. If one was to place a paper with numbers on top of a cabinet, then if the person actually could read it via their ghostly apparition, then that would be valid.
2) The body is under stress. What do you think the body's state is in when a person dies? The body is under enormous stress.
1) That would be a bit difficult to set up such an experiment.
You should find a person that is prepared to die with the risk that he wouldn't come back.
NDEs are not circus attractions made in order to show off the skills or power of someone.
My belief is that NDEs are a gift and a teaching that God give to someone who is prepared to improve their lives and the reason stop right here.
2) A body can only be under stress when the consciousness stay with the body which is something that does not apply to an NDE so no consciousness no stress as the consciousness is the recipient of the status or condition of the body.
An old saying goes..........no brain no pain......
One personal question David.
Why don't you find a nicer avatar?
@Alain Re: David's avatar
If you knew anything about Monty Python you would know his avatar is actually quite funny.
Are you suggesting that rocks have consciousness, but electrical wiring does not? That the rock chooses not to shock you? Really?
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Well I would be very suspicious about that statement:
I say presumably because matter is not really a concept in particle physics other than just a label for a small group of particles that have a certain property. That is why you don't see it appear in any equations (none that I can think of anyway).
Not at all.
I rather say that anything that is left in their own natural state follow the natural laws.
Usually they do not cause problems to us but something that has been manipulated by humans like some forms of energy that we put inside an electrical wiring can if we touch it.
I'm sorry you seem to be implying that electricity is't natural but man-made, you're not are you?
"Usually they do not cause problems to us but something that has been manipulated by humans like some forms of energy that we put inside an electrical wiring can if we touch it."
Lightning isn't manipulated by humans, and it occasionally touches humans, it invariably causes problems when it does.
I'm sorry you seem to be implying that electricity is't natural but man-made, you're not are you?
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Not at all.
Electricity is natural.
The only thing is that once you manipulated it is not under the control of her own consciousness anymore therefore the previous bottled up energy is now out of control that is why we human put it inside wiring.
"Usually they do not cause problems to us but something that has been manipulated by humans like some forms of energy that we put inside an electrical wiring can if we touch it."
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Lightning isn't manipulated by humans, and it occasionally touches humans, it invariably accuses problems when it does.
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Again in this case it is the so called mother nature that do the job to manipulate that energy.
Electricity doesn't have consciousness, that's absurd. Though not as absurd as suggesting that it loses control" when humans use it. If you think lightning is more controlled than the national power grid you're delusional.
I'm also starting to smell a rat here, and think you're trolling. Or at least I hope you're trolling anyway.
Usually they do not cause problems to us but something that has been manipulated by humans like some forms of energy that we put inside an electrical wiring can if we touch it."
Again this is absurdly wrong. Electricity in its natural state is no less harmful than if it's produced to service our needs. Many people survive electric shocks, me for one. Not many people survive being struck by lightning.
You seem to be implying that natural equates to good and unnatural or man made equates to bad? If so this is demonstrable nonsense.
"Again in this case it is the so called mother nature that do the job to manipulate that energy."
That's gibberish. You do know what causes lightning don't you?
@ Alain
"Electricity is natural.
The only thing is that once you manipulated it is not under the control of her own consciousness anymore therefore the previous bottled up energy is now out of control that is why we human put it inside wiring."
You seem to be attempting to put elemental metaphysical qualities to electricity. Electricity is not that, electricity is just the migration of electrons from negative to positive.
Alain - energy and matter are really the same thing
Well I would be very suspicious about that statement:
energy is a state variable, presumably matter is not.
energy has dimensions of mas * length * length * inverse seconds * inverse second; presumably matter does not
I say presumably because matter is not really a concept in particle physics other than just a label for a small group of particles that have a certain property. That is why you don't see it appear in any equations (none that I can think of anyway).
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Science also say that matter is bottled up energy.
Don't you think that there got to be a big difference between an energy that is in a state of incarceration (so to speak) and energy that is let free?
Funny, I didn't get the memo. Could you give me an equation that contains the term "matter"?
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And just as a matter of pragmatism: when someone tells you that science says this:, you can be reasonably confident the next phrase that comes out of their mouth will be false.
Nyarlathotep" RE: "you can be reasonably confident the next phrase that comes out of their mouth will be false."
Or just frigging one of the weirdest things you have ever heard.
Two people separated by a common language. WOW!
@Alain Re: ".....however something tell me that energy without consciousness would be like a meteor that of course is out of control.
If you touch a stone you will not get a shock like if you touch an open electrical wiring despite this stone is made of energy, right?
Why than don't we agree that this energy is under the control of a consciousness?"
*totally blank thousand yard stare*.... *line of drool coming from corner of mouth*.... *clear fluid oozing from ears*..... *corner of left eye starting to twitch*......
(I swear I think I just lost multiple IQ points reading that post.)
...*coughsockpuppetcough*...
@Alain
"so a stone is made of energy"
The stone is not energy. It is a solid mass that (if you go back billions of years) had it's mass created from the energy of the rapid expansion.
Yes, matter can be transferred into energy and vice versa. But it is not an easy and simple process, and it can be only one of two states, either energy or mass. But not both.
I never said that it is an easy and simple process.
Evolution will do the job to turn this latent form of power into something more subtle and awake so to speak.
Sooner or later the power within will be ready for the change.
We can see how certain elements such as uranium are ready to release energy while other are not ready yet.
I am calling this one a troll. Probably a 10 year old trying his skills at copying and pasting crap from new age crap sites.
rmfr
Alain, you just jumped into the deep end of the pool and drowned.
You are spouting mystical mumbo jumbo that has no connection to physics or reality.
Just to clarify, radioactive elements like uranium have what is called a half-life, they decay and lose their energy.
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