Aint it always the way? Deliver a neat little speech for the theist and they get called away too soon...sigh.
Don't cry Tin, t'is all a cruel jest....and please don't wipe your nose with my feathers.

@ MuMo

Gone but not forgotten. Here is where I dissect MuMo's stupid and moronic bullshit. I am not going to include the entire OP in this post. I will include portions of it to show what I am addressing. You may assume the blockquote sections are from his OP unless otherwise noted.

Additionally, I am doing this in case he does lurk around and read. This way he can see why he deserves the title: Muslim Moron.

OP Title: North is south, the number of days & the first day on earth

What kind of moronic Thread Title is that? I totally ignored it until I saw it was started by he great Muslim Moron himself, Mohamad, better known as Mo. But to me, he earned the term of endearment of MuMo (Muslim Moron) if I were to use his official title I had for him.

"Judging from the previous conversation I was having, presenting Quranic texts does not help when discussing scientific findings with atheists."

Of course it does not. ALL religious texts are nothing more than a collection of lies plagiarized from far older sources. No religious text has ever, NEVER, been proven to contain any kind of knowledge that could even be called science.

"Therefore I shall leave the Islamic texts aside and speak in pure science."

Yes. One should not bring any books that contain nothing but lies when trying to discuss science.

"But you must know that the origin of the discoveries were from the Quran."

First I ever heard of it from all the science journal libraries I read papers from. Which journal paper was that? Who wrote the journal paper? What year was it published? About the only thing Muslims discovered is having to kill all those who will not believe in their religion. Otherwise, they may make decent goat herders.

"When explaining why the sun is currently OBLATE SPHEROID OR OBLATE ELLIPSOID"

Wow. Someone skipped Introductory Geometry class. Dude, you should leave that weed alone. And quit skipping classes young child.

An oblate spheroid is a three dimensional object. An ellipsoid is a two dimensional object. ALL ellipsoids are naturally oblate. No need to call them that. Already, you have shown that the rest of this post is going to be nothing but pure bullshit. Damnit. Why do I always agree to tackle the nastiest smelling jobs? I know. Someone has to do the dirty work of cleaning up around here.

"I attached an image for a section of the Carina nebula which explains in pictorial form where the origin of planets actually is, and therefore many DEDUCTIONS were made."

And I already asked, "So the fuck what?" Just like I did with the picture of the Qu'ran you attached to a later post.

"If a search is made in google for the earth's rotation around the sun, the results will always show that the earth is slightly above the sun's equator."

Wrong. Actually, the Earth's orbit is only 317km "below" the plane of Sol's equator when measured from the Epoch. With Earth's Semi-Major Axis distance from Sol being 149,598,023km, that 317km is pratically spot on being on the plane of Sol's equator. If measured as an error, it computes to only 0.0002% (or 0.000002) error.

"Yet the image of the Carina nebula shows the position of the planets to be slightly below the sun's equator from where the hydrogen "umbilical cord" is attached."

What?! WTFGDH is a hydrogen "umbilical cord" is attached to what? You have completely lost me on this one. The image you attached is NOT the Carina Nebula. It is near the Carina Nebula but is actually a part of the nebula that is called The Mystic Mountain. Super High Resolution Image for wall mural.

In the section of the image you posted, what you are looking at is the structure at the tip which measures about 3 parsecs across (≅ 9.785 light years). This means that structure is about 12,376 times larger than our entire stellar system.

Why is it Religious Absolutists will come here with no research into anything and swear they are the geniuses who invented it?

"Based on cosmological understanding of the position of the planets to their given stars, North & South are what they are, but the Carina nebula changes all that. The actual position puts North in South and South in North."

Shows how less than nothing you know. How do you think astrophysicists determine north and south out there in space? Ever heard of a thing called Galactic North? It is the ONLY north and south directions astrophysicists use for any directions outside of our stellar system. For within our stellar system, System North is basically the same direction that has been labeled north for the North Pole here on Earth. If I remember correctly, System North for our stellar system has an obliquity of about 39° off of Galactic North.

Basically, what you discuss is just a big pile of horse hoowhee.

"The planets in our solar system do not come in a straight line as explained by cosmologist, rather they are split into 2 sections on the right and left of the sun. Also, according to the picture, the moons always precede the planets they accompany, which means that the first day on earth whether it was completely formed or not has either a full eclipse or a ring eclipse depending on which side of the sun the earth was placed. Most likely a ring eclipse due to the outward perforation force depicted by the white "sonic" arched curves in the outermost edged."

Believe it or not. The planets in our stellar system are divided into two sections, the Inner Planets and the Outer Planets. The bullshit you speak of being on the right or left of the sun is pure bullshit. There is no right or left of the sun. The only directions for our stellar system would be Spinward, Anti-Spinward, Inward, Outward, System North, and System South. Where in hell did you come up with that right or left of the sun bullshit? The first day on Earth was actually before Luna was there. Earth had accreted about 200Ma to 300Ma before Luna even existed. Then a Mars-sized planet collided with the Earth. In the ensuing aftermath, the Earth was returned to being a Hadean fireball while Luna took about 50Ma to accrete. Thus, you are wrong about the eclipse horse hoowhee.

You are not doing very good relying on that book of lies...

"The Carina nebula would suggest that the actual number of days on earth would be determined by the appearance of a ringed eclipse every year (354 days) rather than the comparison of the position of earth with a distant star as Julius Caesar did to prolong the days of his workforce (365 days)."

And what exactly does the Carina Nebula have to do with determining Earth's orbital period? Not one damned thing. The Sidereal Method is the MOST accurate method for determining both Earth's orbital period and rotational period. However, it does not make for easy clock/watch manufacturing when the Earth's True Rotational Period is 23 hours, 56 minutes, and 4.0905 seconds. Thus, the tropical day is used which is the measure of when the sun returns to the same position in the sky after one rotation. This makes the day a nice round 86,400 seconds, or 24 hours (in actuality, it is 86,396 seconds).

And Earth's orbital is usually measured using the tropical day of 86,400 seconds. Thus, Earth's orbital periods are:
Sidereal Orbital Period = 31,558,118.4192 seconds, or 365.256 tropical days
Tropical Orbital Period = 31,556,908.8253 seconds, or 365.242 tropical days
Standard Calendarial Year = 31,557,600 seconds, or 365.25 tropical days

The ¼ day extra each year is why we have the Leap Year every four years. What most persons do not know is that for every year that is not evenly divisible by 400, there is NOT a Leap Year. Thus, coming up, the years 2100, 2200, and 2300 will NOT have that 29th day in February. However, I do not think the human species needs to worry about that. We would probably have made our species extinct before then.

"To know the exact time which corresponds to the first day on earth, cosmologist need to get all planets aligned on the left and right of the sun + have a ringed eclipse on earth."

No we do not. What you just said is so completely wrong, it isn't even wrong. It is the mentally retarded rantings of a moronic Muslim Moron. Now that is said when you have earned the label Muslim Moron, and you are called a moron on top of that.

"This subject is a dense one and I can't think of any other deduction for the time being"

Ahh. The little baby broke his brain.

"but I'm sure everything will emerge with the atheists that JUST CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH."

In all my many decades of experience, it is the Religious Absolutists that cannot handle the truth.

Well, it was fun while it lasted MuMo.

By the way, allah hu qiteat sharira.

rmfr

I do not understand anything......O.O never studied any astro related subjects..... Am i supposed to study this in high school?

Bravo Grinseed,

How many times have we all seen this horse shit? "Ive found inconsistencies with evolution", "I know how the universe came to be", "I can prove god is real".......

And what is the end result, a gibbering tirade of utter bollocks.

The funny thing is, we all want to be proven wrong but especially science... that is the essence of the scientific method!

Silly muppets.

Mohamed

What's your take on the Homunculus nebula and the Mystic Mountain?

Mohamed is suffering from Dunning–Kruger effect.