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That's a cartoon. I teach monkeys to type. Soon I will make pet rats into drones. Now all we have to do is catch the pet rats.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0fT2RODWk6U
STUPID RATS!
That monkey is more advanced than me; I still need to look at the keys when I type.
Now, what is more likely?
a) They have a cognitive disorder
b) Invisible magic friend popped into their heads for a quick chat
Not just any invisible magic friend, but a famous one, either from science or a movie.
It is believed that 8 to 10 % of people will hear voices at some point in their life.
Now, what is more likely?
a) They have a cognitive disorder
b) Invisible magic friend popped into their heads for a quick chat
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Aw hang on, I know this one, don't tell me....tip of my tongue....nah it's gone.
After a lifetime in engineering and manufacturing industries, I thought I suffered from intermittent tinnitus. It seems I was mistaken, so is the whistling noise in my head the overlord or the dark one? Whoever it is they can't carry a fucking tune.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MK6TXMsvgQg
@ David
Thanks. I have always loved that song. In fact, it was that song that prompted me to want to learn the sax. Unfortunately, I found the get-fiddle to be easier.
rmfr
YOU seem to have attracted a stalker. They're going to each of your posts irrespective of content and logging a single sad 'disagree'.
What do you know, you really can get through to some theists after all. ;-)
@ Sheldon
Yeah. I noticed that. I just ignore it. If they are such a coward that the only thing they can do is click Disagree without posting why they Disagree, oh well.
At least when I click Disagree, I post why. I ain't no coward.
rmfr
@theblindwatchmaker
Define “cognitive disorder” as well as how it gives rise to these so called “hallucinations” in such a way that the hearer is introduced to voices with their own personality, their own history, and their own agenda. How does the brain do this?
@ rat spit
Just like the Overmind. In mysterious ways...
rmfr
"How does the brain do this?"
What evidence can you demonstrate it requires unexplained magic from a supernatural entity?
We already know that everything we understand of the brain's functions can be explained as natural phenomena.
So this sounds like another God of the gaps argument to me. Argumentum ad ignorantiam fallacy yet again.
Occam's razor remember? Adding assumptions makes things exponentially less likely to be true.
Sheldon,
You like to belittle the subject by bringing into account the word “supernatural”. There’s nothing supernatural about it. It’s a simple combination of two things (things you cannot or do not comprehend)
A) Consciousness is infinite and non-spatial
B) Beings have evolved to the highest levels of consciousness
Thus, we have everywhere - beings who are non-spatial and occupy the conscious field in a ubiquitous manner. Their interaction with us is no different than a body of mass interacting with a gravitational field.
Argument from ignorance fallacy again. You are claiming a separate supernatural cause, demonstrate some objective evidence for your claim.
In almost every thread we have theists of all stripes stridently making claims they can demonstrate no evidence for, it's risible.
I have auditory perceptual evidence.
Do you have it recorded?
rmfr
Nope. Technology has not advanced to be able to record the imagery, sounds, smells etc. of dreams or the sound of inner thought.
Tell us something only a deity could know that you couldn't possibly have learned yourself.
The voices do not have any non-physical or supernatural cause until you can demonstrate objective evidence they do.
"I have auditory perceptual evidence."
That's a claim, not evidence.
You can't demonstrate any objective evidence for your supernatural claims, ipso facto they can be dismissed without evidence, see Hitchens's epistemological razor.
I looked up Cognitive Disorder in the DSM V and this is what it had to say.
"Neurocognitive disorders-including Spitirium, mild Ratnitive impairment and Ratmentia-are characterized by decline from a previously attained level of ratlike functioning. These disorders cause diverse clinical impairments, with Alzheimer disease, cerebrovascular disease, Lewy body disease, frontotemporal degeneration, traumatic brain injury, infections, and alcohol abuse represented by common delusions of an all powerful Overlord controlling the universe. Separate groups symptoms for each sub-disorder all result in multiple manifestations of delusional attributes. The fifth edition of the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM-5) provides a common framework for the diagnosis of neurocognitive disorders, first by dissecting rats, giving rats massive drugs, torturing rats, drowning rats, and then comparing rat behavior to the behaviors of the common cockroach. The main cognitive syndromes, and then defining criteria to delineate specific aetiological subtypes of mild and major neurocognitive disorders are then derived from the difference in those behaviors. The DSM-5 approach builds on the expectation that clinicians and research groups will welcome a common language to deal with the neurocognitive disorders. As the use of these criteria becomes more widespread, the rat and cockroach problem in areas like New York city will decline and a common international classification for these disorders will emerge for the first time, thus promoting efficient communication among clinicians and researchers.
(PDF) Classifying neurocognitive disorders: The DSM-5 approach. Available from: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/266325299_Classifying_neurocogn... [accessed Jan 09 2019].
Cog,
Somehow, I know I’m being insulted - which is weird because I’m having a hard time holding back this grin on my face!
Anyone can say "Fuck You." That takes no talent at all. Even a monkey can hold up a middle finger. But give an intelligent monkey a keyboard and a computer screen..... then stand back. Monkeys ain't no dummies.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ktkjUjcZid0&t=1264s
@ Cognostic
Sometimes I actually wonder if monkeys are actually more intelligent than we are...
rmfr
Loads of animals have intelligent abilities that we just don't understand. I have been reading about crow communication lately. Very smart birds and scientists assert, "They have a language."
All animals capable of producing vocal sound waves have a language. Sometimes just doesn't translate well into others.
rmfr
What about other reasons for voices? Schizophrenia for example. How do you jump to supernatural explanation with other far more reasonable explanations?
Like what? Schizophrenia is a label. It’s a misleading label. “Split Mind”? No. There’s a very rare illness labelled “Split Personality Disorder”. The sufferer goes in and out of consciousness as other personalities come into being and pass away.
Read the article if you like. It’s posted on page 1. 8 to 10 % of the population experience auditory hallucinations. Of that 8 to 10 % - 1% experience enough distress to seek professional help. The majority live normal, productive lives.
Besides all this, tell me? How does the brain create auditory hallucinations of personalities with their own history, levels of intelligence, emotional IQ, and historical background?
Here’s a hint. Science doesn’t know - Science can treat the “disease”. They don’t understand how it happens and they minimalise the symptoms to fit their private agendas.
The alternative claim is that there is a super consciousness out there. This can be verified by anyone with the slightest amount of imagination. If you come into contact with it; it may just decide to pipe up and start talking to you.
Keep in mind this consciousness is non-spaitial. Being anywhere in the universe includes being in contact with this Entity.
Behold the OverLord. Behold the Evil One!!!
Schizophrenia is a clinical definition, not a label, and so what if 8% to 10% hear auditory hallucinations? The clue would be in the word hallucinations.
"Here’s a hint. Science doesn’t know - The alternative claim is that there is a super consciousness out there. "
And you're back to an argument from ignorance fallacy.
"The alternative claim is that there is a super consciousness out there" Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha.....
The alternative claim is that RatSpit has become Schizophrenic and created in illusory world where the utterances he mumbles through fermented cheese soaked whiskers waft gracefully through the air to form cherry hued images of reality on the walls of his padded cell. A reality about which he knows no other.
It should be clear to all that our poor fellow RatSpit was hit on the head with one of Alan Watt's books. And now he has that asshole Deepak Chopra, M.D. caring for him. We should take up a donation and buy RatSpit a little train set for his padded room. Then he could go round and round and round all day shouting "Woooo Woooo!"
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rat spit
You did not answer my question. How do you jump to supernatural explanation with other far more reasonable explanations? Avoidance tactics are the tools of a dishonest person. Please answer my question.
Anyways, hallucinatory symptomatology, mental, visual or auditory, are tenets of a variety of brain function disorders...when these functional physical or neurochemical disorders are treated, the symptoms go away. When the patient stops said medication, these symptoms return. It is reasonable to believe neurochemical imbalance, or other, as likely for said symptomatology. It is far far less likely said symptoms are of supernatural origin. Pleading from beliefs seems obvious to me here rat spit...any other pleas for god on the way?
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