Hi guys how are ya all?
I'm Saudi form KSA and live in Medina, my father works in ISLAM COURT here had I discussion with him 2 years ago about Islam and I told him about something that not sure about like all Muslims will tell you we have an open heart and mind let's talk, but after minutes their eyes will glow red and they will threaten you with decapitation !!! and my father told me he's happy to decapitate my head !!!!
anyhow silent and much praying and pretending loving Muhhamed and insulting the west will make them happy and forget that you said anything
I read the history of Muhammad ( the real one ) and the only thing I can come up with is that Muhhamed made ISLAM ( WHICH MEAN submission ) which also includes decapitation.
Islam for me nowadays is a religion that justifies oppression for nobility that's what I said that they got angry and almost killed me !!
nobility in Saudi Arabia whether it's the ruling families or rich fu cks are in Islam the controlling power and ALLAH IS THERE TO PROTECT THEM FROM US !! AND EVERYTHING IS HARAM OUTSIDE THE PALACE BUT PEOPLE IN THE PALACE AND NOBILITY ARE ALWAYS HALA
This hypocrisy is proof enough that Muhhamed and Islam is the religion of oppression and lies !!! for me, I'm sure that ISLAM NOT THE WAY TO GO BUT I HAVE TO PRACTICE NOT TO BE KILLED , I LIKE TO KEEP MY HEAD !!!
so Islam is lies that is fed to me since birth
let alone series of other contradictions that I came across
I'm open-minded about voice discussion and mabye somthing that goes into youtube to show that ISALM IS FULL OF CONTRADICTIONS
Info about me :
age : 21
male
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@My father told me he's happy to decapitate my head !!!!
WOW! I don't even know if I can relate. I think this comes close. I must have been all of 8 years old. My mother and father were divorced. My mother is an abusive btch, but I only know that by looking back over the years. As a young child, I loved my mom and the dad that I never knew because I had made an image of him in my head. CUTTING THE STORY SHORT one day there was an argument and my mom was screaming and yelling at me, probably hitting me as she usually did, my memory fades on that. I just remember her going into the other room when I began crying one of the heaviest cries of my life. She came back into the room and yelled, "What in the hell is wrong with you now." An in the small whimpering voice of an 8 year old child, I said, "No one loves me."
My mom went into a tirade. "You're right. There is nothing to love. You are worthless just like your father. etc.... etc.... etc..... From that day forward, I never recall any emotion like love towards my mom. I emotionally removed myself from her. My fantasy father was all I had, and probably the reason I was so easily swayed into religion.
@Muhhamed made ISLAM
This is incorrect. Muhammad may have started Islam but the Koran was not written by him. He died before the first Koran was ever written. "the first verified manuscript is the Sanaa Manuscript, a piece of the Quran that is carbon-dated to be 99% before 671 CE, around 39 years after Muhammad's death, and with a 75% chance of it being before 646 CE, around 14 years after Muhammad's death." (This is not the whole Koran.)
The Uthman Quran, the first Quran to ever be compiled on a verified basis, was compiled by Uthman, the 3rd Caliph. Although the Quran began to be compiled in 651, 19 years after Muhammad's death, it was not completed until the 8th Century due to a host of complications involving civil war among others.
The final copy of the definitive Quran was compiled on the knowledge of Muhammad's companions who had memorized the Quran and their descendants thereof.
https://www.reddit.com/r/exmuslim/comments/277gzn/how_long_after_mo_died...
You must also remember that there were originally hundreds of versions of the Quaran. Then one version was chosen as the official version and all others were destroyed. In Britten archaeologists just found an older version of the quaran and it does not match up with the modern version.
@nobility
100% correct. The nobility fly to places like Macao where they gamble, engage in prostitution, drink and the rest. There are excellent YouTube videos on this subject. The rich want all the perks of a modern society but want the masses to wallow in faith and ignorance. (How are American religions different. The aren't. If they had power, we would have an oligarchy as well.)
@Contradictions:
Certainly be careful what you say and who you say it to. Blasphemy laws are strict. Saudi Arabian authorities use the kingdom's laws to repress all forms of public religious expression other than one school of Sunni Islam, namely, Salafism or Wahhabism.
To secure convictions, Saudi Arabia's administrative and judicial authorities routinely seek confessions. To secure confessions, the authorities commonly engage in severe violations of human rights. Persons accused of blasphemy may be subjected to torture or to cruel and degrading treatment as well as to prolonged and solitary detention. The proceedings which determine an accused's fate may be secret. Execution is usually by beheading with a sword for males and by firing squad for females.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blasphemy_law_in_Saudi_Arabia
Be sure to be careful when posting to sites like this. It has to be really lonely being threatens by a father and unaccepted by an entire community. Perhaps someone here will have some advice. Check out the Resources on this site and see if there are any you can benefit from
Cognostic,
"You must also remember that there were originally hundreds of versions of the Quaran. Then one version was chosen as the official version and all others were destroyed. In Britten archaeologists just found an older version of the quaran and it does not match up with the modern version."
All Korans are fakes because the original was not formatted into numbered chapters and verses like the Bible is. The Bible wasn't formatted until the 14th and 16th centuries. The English probably revised the Koran.
@Cognostic thanks for the informative replay yeah I'm hiding well! keeping in incognito is A MUST IF YOU WANT TO KEEP YOUR HEAD!
Arc Raziel
I am with Cognostic. Keep yourself well hidden. I know the blasphemy laws in Saudi Arabia still include the death penalty. And if I remember correctly, it is death by beheading. Had a chance to look into this once when my wife and I visited. At least I have heard nothing that has repealed the death penalty for blasphemy.
Do as I did. Play make believe. Pretend as best you can. Hopefully, one day, you may be able to get away to another country where you have more religious freedom.
rmfr
@Arc Raziel
There are two things here. Firstly, the way how some people have understood Islam, and the other is what is the real Islam. If your father said he is happy to decapitate you, then nothing can be farther from Islam that that. Because any punishment in Islam can only be delivered by the Amir (government) not private citizens.
Secondly, the truth of Islam begins from its concept of submission to God for equality of man and justice on Earth. All the practices recommended by the faith is designed to ensure these fundamental principles. Your notions, I am sure, are based on misinformation and prejudices you have developed from your personal experiences which cannot be generalized.
Perhaps, I might be able to help you if you can tell me in some detail as to what exactly your issues are with Islam.
You are really full of it ain't ya? Read your post here and in Theists Answer this.
You do not have even the slightest clue about Islam do you? And, yes, I have read and studied the Qu'ran as well as the Bible and the Talmud, Torah, Hadiths (msp?), amongst many, many other religious texts. As with all, I have found they are nothing. And have memorized hardly anything from them because they do not deserve that much respect. None. They are nothing more than collections of terror-based faerie tales. And of them all, the Qu'ran is perhaps the most violent of them all. The Bible holds a close second. Perhaps the most peaceful of them all is about Janism. Its whole basis is "peace" and is the only religious text that is closest to peaceful. All others are mostly horror stories I find more frightening than even the tales of Edgar Alan Poe and H. P. Lovecraft.
I think you need to go back to school and first learn how to truly read, then re-read that Qu'ran.
rmfr
arakish,
"And of them all, the Qu'ran is perhaps the most violent of them all."
Actually the Bible is far more violent than the Koran. https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/books/violence-more-com...
The most disgusting is the Jewish Babylonian Talmud.
The dumbest is the Book of Mormon.
The best written is the Bible.
Thanks Diotrephes. After having cooled off after what Royism said in the other thread then reading here, I just got so angry it was everything to control it enough not to get banned. Everything you list is absolutely correct. Just with what I went through for 7 years makes me want to say there has to be something more violent and sadistic than the Christianity I grew up in...
Funny how anger can skew facts even for us scientists.
rmfr
You should see some of the other ignorant stuff he has posted here. Mind blowing; but you can't let it get you to!
eta: Let me give you a tiny sample of the level of cognitive dissonance we are dealing with:
Thanks Nyar...
That was enlightening. Just I never seen a post by that person until the one made here and in Theists Answer This.
rmfr
Arc Raziel,
"This hypocrisy is proof enough that Muhhamed and Islam is the religion of oppression and lies !!! for me, I'm sure that ISLAM NOT THE WAY TO GO BUT I HAVE TO PRACTICE NOT TO BE KILLED , I LIKE TO KEEP MY HEAD !!!"
The main benefit people are supposed to get from following Islam is eternal life in a paradise. How crazy is it for the fanatics to kill people who aren't interested in that? It doesn't make sense from a religious perspective. The real reason is that by forcing people to comply the con men who run the operation get a steady income from the theme parks in Mecca and the guys who make the burkas and robes and other apparel have a captured market.
Welcome ArcR and stay safe. Disbelief doesn't require martyrdom or sacrifices. I would just keep patiently mentioning the inconsistencies and hypocrisies where it is safe and constructive to do so.
There is evidence that many in the Middle East are waking up to the fact that religion is superstition, just like witchcraft and soothsaying...
http://www.atheismuk.com/forum/?mingleforumaction=viewtopic&t=11857.0#po...
I wonder if MBS is a non-believer? It isn't impossible. There is some similarity to Christian countries a century or two ago where non-belief in god was unacceptable.
thanks for the welcome but my Arc Raziel profile got disabled don't know why , anyhow thanks
@Arc Raziel and the "No True Scotsman Fallacy"
People are getting their heads cut off all over the Islamic World. Watch the frigging news/. Women are being forced to have clitorectomies. Homosexuals are being pushed off of buildings to their death. Tourists are being arrested and Jailed for blasphemy. OBVIOUSLY NONE OF THIS IS BEING DONE BY ANY TRUE MUSLIM. READ the Quaran!!!! If that does not change your mind....... (This is the atheist hum - not debate - so my thoughts will end at this point.) You really don't seem to know what you are talking about. Ex Muslims that post here or talk openly on YouTube ARE NOT LYING! Are you just engaging in a bit of تقیة taqiyyah. (For those of you that do not know what this is. It is the Islamic mandate to lie to the non-believer to perpetuate Islam.)
Cognostic,
"Homosexuals are being pushed off of buildings to their death."
The Bible has several stories about people being thrown off of heights. It's a Middle Eastern thing.
It would be a western thing as well if the secular sciences had not stepped in and curtailed the blind faith of the West.
Arc has left the building.
I don't know why they disabled my first account can't login to it @CyberLN
@ROYISM it doesn't stop on how you got to learn about Islam it's just their are too many CONTRADICTIONS ! it just i see this in daily basis and many other aspect of history for instance the umayyad dynasty and Yazid I've read a lot of blood shed in the time and before , so it clearly say that Islam failed to be just
If you are interested we can use Google Hangouts to debate and see what's up ( voice chat is much faster )
@Arc Raziel
Sure... we can debate. Just let me know when and how. Looking forward to an interesting discussion.
can't send you private message don't know why this is my e mail [
address temporarily removed by moderator for the user's safety, this decision is under review; you can PM ROYISM under the name Valiya] for me it's only voice can't expose my identity to you , you can record it if you wantArc,
You did NOT post your email! Did you? That was foolish. Do not ever post that kind of info.
DAMN!
rmfr
lol , yeah I know :>
@Cognostic 100% agree I can give you an example how hypocrite my Islamic friends are
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saud_bin_Abdulaziz_bin_Nasser_Al_Saud
A Gay Sunni prince form a noble family not only commits "homosexuality " he killed his lover !!! he's a killer !!!! he killed his lover cuz his lover loved another man ??!!! so this man now can go to mosques cuz he's noble and not a "peasant" ALLAH FORGAVE HIM AND HE'S GOING TO ALLAH PARADISE !
FOR ME TO SAY HOLD ON SECOND I DON'T WANT THIS PARADISE THAT IS FULL OF KILLERS AND KINGS WHO MURDER THEIR OWN PEOPLE IN NAME OF ALLAH ! I'M GETTING KILLED FOR IT !!!!
read also about how kings IN ISLAM THE PEACEFUL RELIGION ARE WILLING TO KILL SINCE THE DAWN OF IT !
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_al-Harrah