What is freedom to you?
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Well one thing is not having a Socialistic, Communistic, nor a repressive government.
Well another thing is not having a monarchist nor a repressive deity.
So how is God repressive?
I was being a smartass. Of course god is not repressive. When you don't exist, the only place you get to be repressive is in stories. Humans have been quite repressive in god's name, and the stories they write about god often involve repression. You should see some of those holy books.
So give me some scripture that shows God as being repressive.
Freedom to me is the perceived notion that nothing is ties you down or holds you back from doing what you feel is the right course of action or living the way you want to on your own property. Many things like government religion and even possessions can restrict ones freedom. Nobody is truly free until they give up claim all worldly possessions and can overcome the fear of their own death and the deaths of their loved ones. As long is one is owned they are not free. When a government offers certain freedoms they say they will not restrict you from exercising your freedom in regard to certain subject matters and furthurmore will support you right to exercise such freedom in the face of those who would try to take such freedom away from you. there are various levels of freedom in public private and personal spaces.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yiQkOT1if24
That's very stupid. You don't get it do you? Let me clear something up for you. God is real and that also means that Satan is real also. God loves us and gives us the choice to turn to Him or not. That is a type of freedom. The right to choose. Satan on the other hand hates us, and wants to destroy us in Hell with himself. So he is willing to do anything it takes to accomplish that. He has nothing to lose. Considering that man's heart is evil above all else, it makes it fairly easy for him to direct the right people to go in the way he wants them to. That's because they are willing to go that way because of the things he puts in their lives. Most people would say they are not being directed by the devil, but they just don't understand that it is him guiding them. God is discussed with religion, just read what Jesus said about the Pharisees, and Scribes. Satan loves religion because of what he can get some people to do in the name of it. He can get some to change God's word into a lie. He can get some to come up with false god's like duddha, or a fake Jesus( that is not the real Jesus) like the Mormons, or the JW's. He got the Romans to start the Catholic church in contrast to what they called at the time " Ana-Baptists" . They wanted a way to make money from religion. They and the muslims want to force people into what they believe. You can read the Foxes Book of Marters to see how the Catholics used to do, and all you have to do is watch the news to see what the muslims do. But for a perspective on Baptists, when they started colonizing the Americas, the Catholics couldn't get Baptists to join them, so they tried to get them to agree to have territories that the different religions would control. But the Baptists know that you can't force anyone to follow after God, but that it's by choice. So they said no. The rest is history the country became the greatest country in the world because it was founded on True Christian ideals "Freedoms".
Some people, who believe in God and the Devil, albeit none of the atheist here seeing as we don't believe in such fluff, believe God and the devil are one and the same.
There is an interesting fictional story where God turns out to be the Devil and it's one of my favorites. It's called The Devil and Billy Markham and its written by Shel Silverstien.
I find it funny that simply because the book claims satan is gods arch enemy they believe a mere angel has the power to oppose an OMNIPOTENT OMNISCIENT and OMNIPRESENT deity.
God gives you the freedom to choose right or wrong, God or Satan.
I read the things that you complain about God but yet you have such hatred in your words towards people instead of their actions or in other words their sins. There are sins against God and against people, in which I see both in this site. Yes I used the word stupid in another post in another forum. But it was out of sarcasm because of what was said in some of the other posts. The difference is is that I can say sorry if I offended any of you. I'M SORRY!!! And I mean it but you speak from your heart which the Bible says is evil above all else. Mine use to be but then Jesus entered into my heart and changed mine. What I see the reason most of you use this site, is for bashing others that don't believe what you do. I'm using it to show you that you believe the same way that I do. And that is by faith. You have already admitted that you don't know but yet for some strange reason you know that God wasn't how things started.
How can you call yourself a christian and claim you are free?
Are you free to choose hell and still call yourself a christian?
Are you free to live your life like an atheist would and call yourself a christian?(are you ready to not have faith in god but laugh at the idea)
Are you free from not giving the other cheek without committing a sin?
Are you free from not going to church on Sunday without committing a sin?
Are you free from doubting god existence(opposite of having faith) and be a faithful christian?
You are like a chained dog that just because your chain can reach the letter box unlike the other dog chains, think you are free.
"God loves us and gives us the choice to turn to Him or not."
He doesn't, his claimed actions say otherwise, but they claim that he does.
It is the same as saying that the flying spaghetti monster gives you the opportunity to choose between believing in it or not.
When in reality I am inventing the choice itself because I think you are gullible enough to believe it without evidence.
I have written a book and I am a live witness that can confirm that everything written in that book about the flying spaghetti monster is true.
You believe in a book that has no evidence, no live witnesses and a bunch of contradictions so I am sure you will find no problem in believing in the flying spaghetti monster since I am a live witness.
I am glad that we agree that:
"Satan loves religion because of what he can get some people to do in the name of it"
But it is not Satan but god(human leaders) himself that orders the most of the evil things.
The PAST bad deeds of god(human leaders) is called Satan to explain why the church did bad things while they keep ruling over the people claiming they are representing god's will in the PRESENT.
Then history keeps repeating itself, and what is now PRESENT GOD becomes the PAST SATAN when the church cannot cover it up.
"He got the Romans to start the Catholic church in contrast to what they called at the time " Ana-Baptists" ."
Btw the Romans didn't use Christianity, they invented it.
http://vimeo.com/69145519
That is why they were always wrong when debating with: "Jesus said about the Pharisees, and Scribes."
The Romans were at war with the Jews and the gospels were a means of propaganda against the "Pharisees, and Scribes." which were instigating a religious war against the Romans.
Check what Jesus says against the Romans and you will come to understand that even though the Romans killed more people then you can imagine(only the later ROMAN Catholic church beats them in this), Jesus says nothing about them except that YOU should obey your Christian MASTERS and give the other cheek when you are beaten unjustly.
MASTERS= Romans who enslaved you
YOU= the slave(since you are the chained slave to this theology)
Pharisees, and Scribes
"True Christian ideals "Freedoms"."
You mean that we should replace the first Amendment with the first Commandment?
That is your idea of freedom?
First of all you have no idea of what you are talking about. You can not understand what salvation is unless you actually get saved.
Second your understanding of the gospels is very week. The Pharisees and scribes were Jews not Romans.
Third I had heard about other false religions before I got saved. Like JW, Mormon, Satanism, Catholic, and others, yet none of them had anything for me. Until the truth was shown to me by the Lord. So you're spaghetti man book wouldn't have done anything for me either.
Fourth, do you know that just because you don't believe in God will not change the truth, no matter how much you want it to. If you want to go with statistics as some of you claim the majority of scientists don't believe in God( big deal by the way) the majority of the people who are alive today believe that there is a God, and at the best statistical polls on atheists is only about 13%. So that puts you guys pretty low on followers. Even Satanists believe there is a God. The devil's know there is one God. Like I have stated more than once, it doesn't hurt to put God to the test. Decide to seek the truth as to whether God is real and He will show you. Just don't put any stipulations in front of true seeking. It will be a whole lot better finding out before you take your last breath than after.
Chuck you have successfully proven to me how religion can make insane people like you.
You have managed to make a post that does not answer any of the questions I asked.
No stupid person would have managed to do something like that.
"The Pharisees and scribes were Jews not Romans."
Yes where did I say that they were Romans? What is wrong with your head?
My flying spaghetti monster is real since he has something the other false religions don't.
He has a live witness. :P
Here is an answer to most of your questions. Becoming a Christian takes you out of the bondage of sin, and sets you free to be able to do what God made us for. Which is to follow after righteousness and to love Him, in which you can't. You see you think that freedom is being able to do whatever you want, and I knew that before I asked the question. But what you don't understand is that there is nothing that you can do that I can't do. The difference is that I care about what God did for me. I'll put it to you this way, if you truly love someone you don't do things that you know you can do it but if you do it it will hurt the one you love. If someone has a spouse and commit adultery against them, then they don't love their spouse. You don't want to hurt someone you truly love. If justice is done then if you were to kill someone because you believe you have the freedom to do so, you will be put into prison. In which you lose your freedom. Well you have broken God's law so you will either have to pay the cost of your transgressions which you lack the ability to. Or you need someone who is able to pay the charge for you. That would be Jesus.
"and sets you free to be able to do what God made us for."
'sets you free to be able to do what god wants' lol
Can you see the level of insanity you are at.
If you do what god wants you are not free but chained to do what he wants just like a dog.
"But what you don't understand is that there is nothing that you can do that I can't do."
The questions I asked which you haven't answered are things you cannot do :P (incredibly stupid)
The fact that you ignored them implies that you can't do them.
"Are you free from not giving the other cheek without committing a sin?"
I can do this, you cannot choose to be a christian and at the same time not committing a sin when not giving the other cheek.
Start with that first, you know babies require to start slowly.
Or you start to make some sens or this discussion is over, I am tired arguing with a person who's brain is not better then a 3 year old kid.
Just to be clear since I already know that you need further explanation:
I am not a christian, I am not bound by sin.
Sin does not exist for me.
It is like having a book that says that if you do smile to someone, a new invisible spaghetti monster is formed around your house.
If I don't believe this, I am not bound by it's conditions, so I am free to smile without having a spaghetti monster around my house.(even if he does, I am still more free)
But for who really believes this nonsense, he is bound by this chain and is forced to not smile. :)
Thus I am more free then the guy who believes this nonsense since I can smile and he cannot.
Not believing in something makes you more free by definition.
Wrong, I smile and laugh a whole lot more since I got saved, because I now have the joy of the Lord in my soul. Joy can only come from the Lord. The world at best can only have a little happiness, because happiness only comes from happenings. And happenings only last for a little while.
Same do drug edicts and alcoholics.
When you are deluded you tend to be happier.
It just shows that you are not mature enough to face reality just like a little kid you showed you are with your ridiculous arguments.
Oh I will say this, if I could put what I have in a bottle, there would be joy and peace around the world. The sad thing is that it is available for free if people would just accept that glorious gift. And nobody would ever fight again.
I'm beginning to think that God has won another debate.
And just what does your god get as a prize for winning?
All hail the great all powerful Chuck who wins even when he doesn't because he's all powerful and shit. Just look,,, for this miracle he turned a not win into a win..... (At least in his eyes) If you could only bring yourself to believe in the all powereful Chuck Rodgers you could see that he wins even when he doesn't.
"It is LIKE having a book that says that if you do smile to someone, a new invisible spaghetti monster is formed around your house."
"Wrong, I smile and laugh a whole lot more since I got saved, because I now have the joy of the Lord in my soul."
You thought that I was claiming that you smile less being a christian?
Jesus Christ how stupid you are, I didn't think that you are that far gone.
If I knew where you lived, I would send doctors to your house .
You seriously need mental help.
Freedom is when your happy and fulfilled at what you do and believe... Believing God saves human if you don't then you're imprisoned by your own thinking... :)
Sorry but love me and go to heaven or go to hell is not freedom its slavery induced by fear and reward.
"Freedom is when your happy and fulfilled at what you do and believe"
If you believe that follow 10 rules dictated by a tyrant(you call god) with punishment of ethernal torture is freedom, well you are free to believe that.
But you are not free to break the rules.
We are free to make up our own rules, you are not.
"you're imprisoned by your own thinking"
If we are, You are imprisoned by someone else thinking.
If you cannot see the difference between our freedom then you are not even free to use you head.
That is the state you are in, a conditioned SLAVE.
You claim you can make up your own rules. So in other words you do what you want, right. I would say most likely you obey the laws don't you. And were did the laws come from? God! You may not like to admit it, but the Bible is the foundation for the basic laws we follow. Thou shalt not steal, thou shalt not kill. As long as you keep to those laws you are following God's rules. I'm sure you don't like it that the commandments arein the supreme court house, just because it shows they came from God. But I guarantee you that you want everyone else to obey those rules when it comes to your possessions, or those you care about.
"a conditioned SLAVE." I don't think so sir Jeff... Maybe your definition to freedom is not the way I define it... Clearly, your so called freedom makes you happy... don't tell me your not... then its what i call freedom... so what's the difference? I make my own rules but not imprisoned by someone else thinking either... :)
Why is it every christian i see on here or utube thinks there was nothing before christianity. We had laws BEFORE christianity and they were better than the vile leviticus and deuternomy that christians introduced along with condoning slavery sexism racism homophobia.
Societys laws are not gods laws thank god.
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