Hey, I was wondering if I could get any input on any potential issues found in the chapters: The Beginning, Adam and Eve and The Fall of Man.(also maybe Cain and Abel if you like) Like an issue I spoke about in a previous post was if Adam and Eve are symbolic then where did the original sin that Jesus died for come from, and another one I have is if you take the creation story literally then it would be impossible for god to make the rest of the universe (By that I mean when he created the stars, the sun and the moon on the 4th day) in one day if it took him 6 days to deal with one planet. I'm hoping you guys might have any interesting points of views on this topic that I can read through, thanks :)
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Well what constituted a day before the Sun was up there zipping around the celestial dome over the flat Earth?
god creating the sun on the 4th day, yet the previous days are described as having mornings and evenings
Re: "Hey, I was wondering if I could get any input on any potential issues found in the chapters..."
*looooong sloooooow whistle*.... Oh, my... Goodness gracious, young lady. Where to start? lol Hmmm.... Not at my computer right now, but give me a little while and I will try to give you at least a top ten list. *chuckle* This should be fun... *smiling*...
Omg Thanks XD I'm so keen
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Here you go, little lady. Had to do sort of a rush job on this, but I hope it helps. Keep in mind, these are just the glaring highlights. I had to skip over a few more subtle issues. Plus, I'm afraid I got to ten issues before making it to Chapter 4. And from what I know about Chapter 4, that could end up being a whole other list on its own. *chuckle* Anyway, this should at least get you started somewhat, I hope. Enjoy... (Oh, it's a little lengthy. My apologies.)
1. God made plants and vegetation on the Third Day. (1:9-13) He did not make the sun or moon until the Fourth Day. (1:14-19) Somebody please explain to me how vegetation grew/survived without sunlight.
2. Apparently, there is more than one God. God said, “Let US make man in OUR image.” (1:26) Also, after God got pissed at Adam and Eve for eating from the Tree of Knowledge, he said, “Behold! Man has become as one of US!” And so he booted their asses out of the Garden of Eden before they had a chance to eat from the Tree of Life.
3. On the Sixth Day, God created man and woman (1:27). However, way after the Seventh Day after Adam has already gotten settled into the Garden of Eden, God decides Adam needs a “helper”. (2:18) Therefore, he made a woman for Adam. (2:21-22) Call me crazy, but aside from the screwed up timeline “whoopsie”, it seems to me an all-knowing/all-powerful god should have already had that whole man/woman thing figured into his plan from the very beginning…. *shrugging shoulders*…
4. Ummmm…. Why, exactly, would an omnipotent god ever have to rest? (2:2)... *scratching head*… Am I missing something here?
5. God made man/Adam from “the dust of the earth.” (2:7) Yet, God had to put Adam to sleep and yank out one of his ribs in order to make woman/Eve. (2:21-22) Again… Am I missing something here?
6. A supposedly PERFECT and ALL-KNOWING God makes the Garden of Eden and places two totally forbidden trees (The “Tree of Life” and the “Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil”) right smack-dab in the middle of it within easy access of Adam and Eve. (Who happen to be two incredibly innocent and naïve creatures with zero knowledge of harm, danger, or death.) But at least he gives Adam a stern warning not to eat of it. (2:8-9 and 2:15-17) Yet then he has the audacity to be mad when Adam and Eve actually do eat from one of the trees. DUDE! You should have seen that coming!!! PLUS, you could have put those damn trees ANYWHERE ELSE on the entire planet! But, Nnnnnooooooo…! That would have made too much sense, I suppose.
7. Here’s a very subtle one for you I just happened to notice when looking for these others. After God made Eve for Adam he proclaimed, “And a man shall leave his father and mother to be with his wife.” (2:24) Ummm…. Errrrr…. Hmmmm….. Yeah, I’ll just let that one sink in on its own for you…
8. Oh! Here’s a goodie! The serpent! For starters, a talking snake? Really??? (3:1) Mainly, though, is the fact that GOD MADE THE SERPENT and had it in the garden in the first place! KNOWING it would tempt Eve and cause her and Adam to eat the forbidden fruit. What the…??? Seriously??? And exactly WHOSE fault is that suppose to be, pray tell? (Side note, here. Between this one and number 6, I could probably write and entire thesis. *chuckle*)
9. Ya know, for a God that is supposedly omnipotent and omniscient, he certainly does ask quite a few questions: A. Adam and Eve eat from the Tree of Knowledge and discover they are naked, so they hide from God in the garden. God comes strolling along and calls out, “Hey! Where the hell are you two crazy kids?!?.... Yoooo-hoooo…. Ollie-Ollie oxen free!” (3:8-9) B. Once Adam lets God know where they are, God asks, “Why are you hiding from me?” At which point Adam explains, “Well, dang, man. Just noticed me twigs-n-berries are showing. It’s a little embarrassing.” Which causes God to ask, “Hey! Who let you know you are naked?” (3:11) C. When Adam threw Eve under the bus by blaming her for making him eat the fruit, God asked Eve, “What have you done?” (3:13) And all of those questions from a supposedly omniscient God within just a few verses of ONE CHAPTER. Heck, and I haven’t even made it to Chapter 4 yet.
10. Here is another “WTF?” moment. Adam and Eve have pissed off the All-knowing, All-powerful, All-loving, and All-forgiving God, and so he kicked their asses out of the Garden of Eden. Okay. Fine. Whatever. But then this same ALL-POWERFUL God has to place an angel with a flaming sword at the “garden gate” to keep anybody else from entering and to protect both of the forbidden trees. (3:24) Sooooo….. Let me get this straight. He can create the entire universe and Earth and every living creature on the planet, and He knows EVERYTHING, but he needs a “guard” to protect a tiny speck of land that HE created???.... Ummm, okay. Yeah, sure. I’ll buy that.
Wow thanks :)
Like the pub for cofee with George Clooney: "What esle?"... laughing
Issues with Genesis 1 to Genesis 4:4, can you think of any?
Evolution. Once you accept the Theory of Evolution as the FACTS (Formulated Accurately Codified Truth in Science) that it is, then everything in Genesis chapters 1 through 4 fall completely into the realm of FAITH (Falsehoods Assumptions Innuendos Treachery and Hogwash).
In the novel I am writing, the Hath'arnd (which are the baddies) have convinced the peoples they have ruled over for the last 2470 years, that The Demic was a pandemic plague that wiped out all mammalian life except for the few survivors they were able to save with The Cure that they brought with them at the end of The Great Demic War. Unbeknownst to the peoples that survived (the Alnar Anur, Alnar Altaïs, Gurand Dangro, and Krenosi Kregog) the Hath'arnd also have Psionic Powers that they use to help keep the peoples quiescent. They also use a narcotic drug (The Cure) that further helps. ALL males that seem capable of using Kreäsa (The Power) are put to death in an elaborate ceremony at the Initiation at Tanlindon. Females are taken to Tanlindon and put through the Initiation of Gabuz. If they are broken, they become one member of the Nighusa-Gabuz team often used as assassins. If the female cannot be broken, then she is also put to death like the males. Those who seem to doubt the Hath'arnd and their "savior"-hood of the peoples are also put to death. The Hath'arnd cannot afford for Free Thinkers to be Free.
Sound familiar?
Sorry for the rant...
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Let us put this entire genesis story in it's proper context.
Thousands of years ago barbaric and illiterate goat herders and their murderous leaders just made up stories. They did not have the vast wealth of information readily available to us, so they made up shit.
So when I read anything in the bible, I understand from the first word that it is not a historical document or actually explains anything, it is a rule book full of invented fables.
Look at the story. #1. The snake is not Satan.
#2. The snake is not a snake, it's a serpent.
#3. The serpent is female. In the story in Genesis 3:1-5, Eve is tempted by a creature referred to as "He" and described simply as a serpent. ... Frequently in art the serpent is represented as female. In a fresco by Michelangelo, for example, the serpent is shown with the upper body of a woman and snake-like lower parts. (This serpent is sometimes referred to as Adam's second wife Lilith._Michelangelo portrayed Lilith as a half-woman, half-serpent, coiled around the Tree of Knowledge.
#4. Only the serpent tells the truth. God tells Adam and Eve that they will die if they eat of the fruit. The Serpent tells them the truth.
#5 The fruit is not an apple. This is a Roman tradition, not in the Bible. Apples were passion fruits in ancient Rome.
#6. Eve is actually Adam's Third wife. The first wife had no skin. The second wife was Lilith who turned into a demon. Eve was the third.
#7. God is omnipotent and omnipresent but he can not find Adam or Eve in the garden.
#8. Adam and Eve realized they were naked after they ate of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. If being naked is evil, why did God make them that way?
#9 If the garden of Eden was Sin Free, why was the Serpent There?
#10. Punishing all mankind for the sins of someone else is an immoral act by God.
Now for the Adam and Eve Joke.....
Adam was wandering around the garden gloomily one day. God noticed as Adam moved to a big rock and sat on it pensively. Finally, God spoke, "Adam?"
"Yes God?"
"You look worried."
"Well....."
"What's the matter, you can tell me."
"Well....."
"Go on...."
"Well, God, I was just wondering....."
"Wondering what?"
"Well, why did you make eve so beautiful?"
God laughed Heartily, "Adam, Adam, Adam, I made her that way so you would fall in love with her."
"Ohhh....... But God? Why did you make her so damn STUPID?"
"Well Adam, that is so she would fall in love with you."
The Serpent ... the penis
The Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil ... the penis
The Tree of Life ... the penis.
Adam's "fall" comes about when HE tastes of the fruit of the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil.
Why do you think that the Catholic Church has so many gay priests in positions of authority?