Pakistani Christian Woman’s Appeal of Death Sentence Is Rejected
Unbelievable
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/17/world/asia/pakistan-christian-blasphem...
This is one of the few reasons why I think those country's governments should be brought down, by force if necessary.
A religion that allows such bad laws to even be thought of is evil in nature.
Moderates Islamist should work hard to change those laws else they are just as bad as them since they are supporting a religion that promotes such behavior.
Can you be an Honest Islamist and not admit that the source of this evil is Islam itself?
"You shalt not take the name of thy Allah in vain, but only under the penalty of death or if being persecuted by an Infidel!"
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Yea i think I am with you here, today islam is becomeing too much out of place.
It's complete refusal to see reason instead of dogma makes it one of the worst religions.
The only way to solve it is to actually get rid of those old fools and give space for younger and more mature generations to learn proper education.
The problem with that is that you need to show that it effects life away from Pakistan.
That is a bit harder since they are a minority in most cases.
You might have more chances bringing the christian bible to court then the Quran.
Action only takes place after something bad happens because politics are somehow forced to show that they are actually doing something.
With that in mind, you should realize that with reason alone you will not get anywhere.
People need to die or get hurt to get something done in a democratic country.
Else politics and corruption will always win against reason.
What i was trying to tel you is that the court judges actions and not good or bad books.
Even if a book says kil your neibour, if the people do not follow that order, there is no grounds for a case.
In a country where islam is a minority, it is highly unlickly you will find such a case with enough witnesses and willing to testify.
Your main issue is to convince the court that it was not his/her parents the problem but the book teachings.
Apologetic s will hit you hard here, saying that the human is the problem and not the teaching, the human got the wrong interpretation, etc..
The majority is more likely to feel comfortable and arrogant, thus do more mistakes where you can nail in court.
A minority will be too much on the guard.
Eg: William lain craig saying publicly that the" killing of children was a blessing" is harder to find it from a muslem in a western country.
greg, you are not understanding me
the lawyer will say it is not the text but the person
they will just change what it means like they always do.
They will just say Islam is about peace, as if anybody would believe them.
the only way to nail the text is to catch them in the act and record it, then follow it there and there, which is hard.
Although the text can be absolved by blaming only the guy spreading that particular interpretation.
these guys love to die and suffer for their belief so they will do it willingly.
your objective is to nail the text and it will be hard with apologetic having different interpretations.
Look at the bible, you have god himself saying that whoever works on suday has to be put to death.
The Christians do not follow their god because they ignore it, what can the UK law do about it?
Nothing.
It is still there even though the law says otherwise.
The only way something gets done is when action is taken greg.
Can you send me a link to this law?
Regardless of that you have to prove that a given mosque representative has preached something which is in breach of law
They will shift the blame on the representative in a best scenario.
The mosque will not pay, just like the church does not want to pay for covering for rapists.
The church just puts the blame on the rapist and not on their dogmatic suppression of the sexual nature of humans.
They will always find a window, was my main point man.
To attack the theology you need to attack the theology directly and not the human interpretation of it.
This requires a shift in how laws are directed at propaganda.
Meaning there must be a law that is directed at propaganda and mind control.
Then establish with evidence that the text are one such example.
Then prosecute accordingly.
The problem here is that politics uses propaganda too, so the courts usually stay away from this subject.
Religion and politics were one of the same thing once.
Unless we accept that, we cannot make progress.
You always speaks about Honesty...Right..?? But Honesty is lacking here... Dont judge Islam by Muslims who are still ignorant..!!!
Islam is the best religion, why are many of the Muslims dishonest, unreliable, and involved in activities such as cheating, bribing, dealing in drugs, etc.?
Media maligns Islam
a. Islam is without doubt the best religion but the media is in the hands of the westerners who are afraid of Islam.
b. The media is continuously broadcasting and printing information against Islam.
c. They either provide misinformation about Islam, misquote Islam or project a point out of proportion, if any
d When any bomb blasts take place anywhere, the first people to be accused without proof are invariably the Muslims.
This appears as headlines in the news. Later, when they find that non-Muslims were responsible, it appears as an insignificant news’ item.
e. If a 50 year old Muslim marries a 15 year old girl after taking her permission, it appears on the front page but when a 50 year old non-Muslim rapes a 6 year old girl, it may appear in the news in the inside pages as ‘Newsbriefs’.
f. Everyday in America on an average 2,713 cases of rape take place but it doesn’t appear in the news, since it has become a way of life for the Americans.
Black sheep in every community:
I am aware that there are some Muslims who are dishonest, unreliable, who cheat, etc. but the media projects this as though only Muslims are involved in such activities. There are black sheep in every community.
I know Muslims who are alcoholics and who can drink most of the non-Muslims under the table.
. Muslims best as a whole:
Inspite of all the black sheep in the Muslim community, Muslims taken on the whole, yet form the best community in the world.
We are the biggest community of tee-totallers as a whole, i.e. those who don’t imbibe alcohol. Collectively, we are a community which gives the maximum charity in the world.
There is no community as a whole in the world which can show even a candle to the Muslims where modesty is concerned; where sobriety is concerned; where human values and ethics are concerned.
Don’t judge a car by its driver:
If you want to judge how good is the latest model of the “Mercedes” car and a person who does not know how to drive sits at the steering wheel and bangs up the car, who will you blame?
The car or the driver?
But naturally, the driver.
To analyze how good the car is, a person should not look at the driver but see the ability and features of the car. How fast is it, what is its average fuel consumption, what are the safety measures, etc.
Even if I agree for the sake of argument that the Muslims are bad, we can’t judge Islam by its followers?
If you want to judge how good Islam is then judge it according to its authentic sources, i.e. the Glorious Qur’an and the Sahih Hadith
My advice to you..Dont blame Islam....Rather blame Muslims who are lacking knowledge in Islam
The religions has nothing to do with the people's behavior. It's the people who chose their religions in the first place and they are the one who named the religion as Islam, set the rules and allowed disobeying them. Quite crazy but I think Islam people should realize these things.
Mysticrose,
The religions has nothing to do with the people's behavior. It's the people who chose their religions in the first place and they are the one who named the religion as Islam
How can you prove this....??? You wanna say that Religion is Man-Made...???
maryam ...
Now your getting the idea....
Emphasis on MAN-made, it was not a woman , just for clarification
This should be apparent when such atrocities against woman are allowed in the text as if it was OK.
The text were created in a period where the morality at the time was saying that woman were inferior to man.
At a time where slavery was OK.
This should at least hint at who the authors and creators where.
There is no god that is so biased by a time period morality since he should be eternal.
1.Which points to the conclusion that human morality today is better then' god's morality in the text.
OR
2. Our human morality is better then a 1000 year old morality of an other human.
We are reasonable enough to accept the most obvious conclusion of the two.
Are you?
Islam is portrayed as a religion of “terror” and “killing”, yet this is just one of the most widely held misconceptions about Islam. Allah Almighty states unambiguously in the Quran (what means): "Nor take life -- which Allaah has made sacred -- except for just cause. And if anyone is slain wrongfully, we have given his heir authority (to demand retaliation or to forgive): but let him not exceed bounds in the matter of taking life, for he is helped (by the Law)." [Quran 17:33]
Based on this verse, it is Islamically unlawful to murder anyone who is innocent of any crime.. At this point, we would do well to remember the distinction between the Quran and Sunnah., and the Muslims. Only the Quran and Sunnah are guaranteed to be in accordance with what the Creator desires, whereas the Muslims may possibly deviate.. Hence, if any Muslim kills an innocent person, that Muslim has committed a grave sin, and the action cannot be claimed to have been committed "in the name of Islam.."
"Allah Almighty states unambiguously in the Quran (what means): "Nor take life -- which Allaah has made sacred -- except for just cause."
There's the problem...'just cause' is left up to the one doing the killing.
It should be clear, then, that the often used term "Muslim terrorist" is offensive and should be avoided.. by killing innocent people, a Muslim is committing a grave sin, and Allah is Just. . It is hoped that as the general level of public awareness and understanding of Islam increases, people will keep "terrorism" and "Islam" separate from each other, and not use them in the same phrase..
"It should be clear, then, that the often used term "Muslim terrorist" is offensive and should be avoided.. "
Offensive? So what? If someone finds your entire religion offensive would you avoid it?
for example.. you and your family lives together and your brother murdered some one and according to laws only your brother is gonna be punished bt not the whole family.. likewise, only some muslims commit some sins and you people blame the whole religion again and again.. and i would lyk to knw on what basis did you call the entire religion offensive..??
I find all religions offensive, not just yours. And there are hundreds of reasons why I find them offensive.
However, I have never said I think all theists are evil. Deluded, yes, but not necessarily evil, although many are indeed evil.
so if in my eyes you are guilty I have the right to kill you.
That is what makes this religion a terrorist religion.
If u get enough people to say one thing then killing is somehow justified.
That is the difference between mature and inteligent persons that view killing as an option of very last resort when every other option has failed.
We are different, and your religion is so evil and such a treat that it will lead to it's own doom eventually, mark my words.
in islam every sin has different punishment.. and these punishments are not given to the innocent people.. first their should be proof of doing this sin.. then the punishment is given according to the islamic law.. if the accused person succeed in proving the allegations false.. then no punishment is given..
See where the problem lies.
The accused does not need to present anything, it is the one who is accusing the one that needs to present something to support his claims.
+ punishment does not fit the crime.
Killing is bad regardless how bad the crime was.
This is something that reason makes you arrive at without a religious influence.
A theistic influence hinders logic and makes people sprout nonsense just like you said here.
Which makes me vomit, do you have some shame?
Your religion makes you appear as an evil person that is ready to kill just because someone disagrees with you.
"then the punishment is given according to the Islamic law"
Guess who dictates the Islamic law? theistic nut cases that wants their religion enforced by force.
If there is anybody that deserves death is those people that spread such nonsense harming innocent people and their freedom.
We are only free if we are free to choose.
Islam is saying to the world that where there Islam majority you will not be free.
For that alone it is evil.
you asking if we have shame..?? is this the way you talk to others..?? this is the difference between a muslim and non muslim..quran teaches us how to respect others.. dnt get hyper jeff.. iam not askin yuh to revert to islam.. iam just here to clear the misconceptions about islam.. bcuz i cant take it what you people saying about islam.. so chill.. and i will let yuh know the punishments alloted to the sins according to the islamic laws as soon as possible.. different punishments are given to different sins.. and you only stuck to the killing..
Yes, your arrogance does not allow you to realize that you are insulting us and our intelligence by sprouting such nonsense in defense of murderers.
You have no shame at all regarding this and you do not know it.
I do not respect people that say that when the Koran asks to kill people is a misconception. It is written there ffs.
Your interpretation is irrelevant.
The murderers interpretation is what we are objecting to.
This is born out of Islam, there is no misconception here.
The only misconception is your delusion that somehow the Koran has nothing to do with it.
"and you only stuck to the killing"
Yes we are interested in the health of other human beings like us.
You seem to do not care, that is why I am saying that you are shameless.
oh really..?? where were yuh when muslims were murdered in palestine, gaza, libya, etc.. yuh people only need chance to say about islam dats it.. when muslim murders someone, yuh all come with new ideas about humanity but when some jew killed a muslim no one cums.. you all say they were jst protectin themselves from muslim TERRORISTS.. is dis a humanity..?? now you say me.. do you really care for human beings..?? if yes.., den why didn't you bring that incidents In disscussion where many small muslim children and women were killed in palestine.. you call me shameless but the fact is you dnt really care about human beings.. you were jst trying to prove muslims TERRORISTS..
No One is Arrogant here.
Any government has the responsibility to care for its citizens.
Is that true or not? Yes?
And does not every government have the responsibility to prevent criminal action? Yes or no?
Is it the responsibility of the government to arrest the thieves and the murderers and the rapists?
And to do something with them to prevent that happening and to prevent that evil spreading in society?
Is that not the duty of government? Yes or no?
And don’t we all recognise that governments are allowed to use some type of force in order to arrest such people?
And to prevent them from their harm? Yes or no?“
“So we recognise that those in authority have the right to use force if they have to prevent some evil taking place.
Jeff
Why you always claim my religion evil...?????????????????
I appreciate your knowledge but something is missing in your knowledge
I appreciate your Knowledge but Jeff try to judge it when you know all about it....wanna give u advice
Knowledge is not simply that which you know. if you do not know what you can or cannot understand, you are likely to go wrong path
What kind of wisdom is this if you try 2 form a judgement on matters about which you do not know enough, when you own knowledge is limited...
If you want 2 blame Islam is the evil region, try 2 know about it..go for the authentication
You people are blaming JUST BECAUSE THE MATTERS ARE NOT PLEASING TO YOU..
If this is the case then your lying to yourself...
Unreliable ways to find truth are dangerous to humanity. So yes islam, other religions, and other magical woo answers to reality are evil.
I don't need to know or believe the minutia of your or any religion to realize that claiming there is a god but not demonstrating that there is one is useless.
"You people are blaming JUST BECAUSE THE MATTERS ARE NOT PLEASING TO YOU"
no we can see the evil in your religion, that you cannot see because you are not capable.
Only until you are no longer a Muslim, will you be able to see the evil in your religion.
We see easy that where ever there is a country with Islam as a majority, there are people persecuted and injustice that would never be tolerated in a country where there is no such religious influence.
The problem is the Koran that claims to be book of everything and thus messes with politics and matters of state.
This hinders the freedom of most people and becomes impossible to have a good moral upbringing.
Yes Islam is not a good moral upbringing.
It supports gullibility and persecutes logic.
Morality matures from an understanding of reality and not an assertion of authority like the Koran.
But surly you won't understand what I am talking about because you cannot even imagine what it is like not being a Muslim.
Here is the woman Jeff is talking about, Maryam: http://www.atheistrepublic.com/news/pakistani-christian-woman-sentenced-...