Hi,
I'm not sure if this is true but this is what I've been taught.
1) The earth is moving closer to the sun due to orbital decay.
2) Every year it moves closer and closer.
3) One day the earth will be so close to sun that it will be destroyed by the heat of the red giant
The proof of this theory is that weather is becoming warmer every year, I guess (at least I experienced that)
Now my question is, this was also mentioned by the prophet of islam in a hadith/saying 1400 years ago as one of the signs of the end of the world or the day of resurrection/judgement.
"“On the Day of Resurrection, the sun would draw so close to the people that there would be left a distance of only one mile. The people will be submerged in perspiration according to their deeds, some up to their ankles, some up to their knees, some up to the waist and some would have the bridle of perspiration and, while saying this, the Messenger of Allah put his hand towards his mouth.” [Saheeh Muslim, vol.4, no. 6852]"
My question is, how did he find out about this? Or, had somebody already had found this way before this liar prophet was born and this man just gave 0 fucks and copied his theory and made it a "sign of the end of world"?
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On the Day of Resurrection, the sun would draw so close to the people that there would be left a distance of only one mile.
Long before the sun got that close you would be a vanishing dot of carbon. You wouldn't be "perspiring" you would be dead. So like all stories oh hell and judgement its absolute bollocks.
The verse doesn't say anything at all about orbital decay...and btw long before the sun gets too close, the Moon would have landed on Chicago.
Global warming is a thing, its process is being accelerated by man. That is why summers appear warmer,,,they are.
By the early 700s people were complaining that devotees of Mohammed (who died on 632) were competing with each other to concoct fanciful stories about him. The Koran that exists today didn't come into existence until the late 700s. The Hadiths came even later.
Ummm... Seeker.... Uhh... Granted, I am no astrophysicist, but anybody who believes it would be possible for the Earth to be within one mile of the sun has probably been out in the sun without protection for just a tad bit too long. And even IF the Earth were somehow able to get that close to the sun, to believe there would be people (or any other biological creature) left alive to actually SWEAT is even MORE ludicrous. Hate to break the news to you, but the Earth would simply be an insignificant wisp of cosmic vapor before it ever got to within a few THOUSAND miles of the sun. So I am fairly confident getting to the one mile distance is pretty much out of the question. Seems fairly evident the writers of that passage knew even less about astrophysics than the average ten year old kid of today. And the rest of that passage about people sweating according to their bad deeds is way beyond total nonsense. (Personal opinion.) Naturally, it is only a matter of time before somebody jumps in here and starts screaming, "Context!", and, "It's only meant as a metaphor!", and all the usual lame excuses. But, hey, you feel free to believe whatever you want. No rust off my nose.
The Earth is moving further away from the Sun, and and the Moon is moving further away from the Earth, due to tidal effects. Coincidentally, we happen to live in a time when the apparent size of the Sun and the Moon from Earth are the same. It wasn't always so.
The tidal effect of the Moon is also causing the rotation of the Earth to slow down, so our day is gradually getting longer.
The Sun will come closer and probably engulf the Earth after it becomes a red giant. We only have about 5 billion years to live.
http://curious.astro.cornell.edu/physics/41-our-solar-system/the-earth/o...
https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn17228-why-is-the-earth-moving-awa...
Just to clarify guys, I don't care about the "one mile" mention in the saying. I'm just concerned about the general fact that the earth is getting closer to sun. I also don't care about whether people are sweating or not, I'm just confused as to how did he know that the earth is getting closer to sun? He had to know it somehow to predict that on the final day it will be 1 mile away or blabla.
The main thing about the saying is that it directly or indirectly says that the earth is getting closer to sun due to which it will be blabla mile away on the final day.
My only question is, was this concept of "Earth getting closer to sun" known before or how exactly did muhammad get the knowledge of this scientific fact? Once again, I don't care about thousand miles away from sun or sticking together with sun, I'm just concerned about the GENERAL MOVEMENT OF EARTH TOWARDS THE SUN fact. How did he find out THAT PART of science 1400 years ago? Was this fact known before him by someone? It's not possible to just guess that the earth is moving towards someone because he was too idiotic to do that. For someone who came up with flat earth verses, it's not possible.
So, how, just HOW did he figure out that part of science where, as we know today, earth is constantly getting closer to sun?
Seek3r
The earth is moving away from the sun.
Ha ha ha ha ha @ "I don't care about the "one mile" So you conveniently eliminate the most moronic part and then assert it is a scientific observation made by Muhammad. That's frigging RETARDED. And I have already pointed out where the Quaran states the Earth is moving AWAY FROM THE SUN. (Not towards it as in the section you read.) In short, as long as you are interpreting things any way you like, you can bend them to fit anything. If Muhammad existed, he did NOT WRITE THE QUA'ARAN. (THAT IS THE FIRST LIE OF ISLAM)
Seek3R,
"The main thing about the saying is that it directly or indirectly says that the earth is getting closer to sun due to which it will be blabla mile away on the final day."
There's a biblical story that says that a fiery red dragon will sweep a third of the stars in the universe to the Earth with his tail.
You are supposed to be an educated adult in the year 2018 and not some superstitious dummy from the First or Seventh Century who didn't know his ass from a hole in the ground. Stop believing in silly ass ancient Jewish and Arabian ethnocentric Middle Eastern religious fairy tales. Even the Bible says that people shouldn't believe them. It's way past time to kick them to the garbage pile and to start acting like you have some functioning brain cells in your head.
Statement #1 is false, which makes statement #2 false.
Who gave you those statements and why did you believe them?
/edit: And more importantly: will you now be skeptical of anything else they have told you?
Nyar, that's just what everyone in my country knows. The orbital decay part was read somewhere by me.
Can you clarify what the actual fact is?
Is the earth moving towards sun or not? If not, what is orbital decay and why is it so related when we search about it? If the earth does move toward sun for ANY reason, how did muhammad find this movement?
The average distance between the Earth and the Sun is INCREASING not decreasing.
Nyar, thanks for the clarification. Just please kindly confirm these, pardon my illiterate mind:
1) Orbital decay is a fact but it's not happening on the orbit of Earth
2) Orbital decay does cause stars, planets or whatever to get closer to each other BUT once again, earth's orbit is not decaying.
3) Is it ever possible for orbital decay to happen on earth's orbit?
That meme perfectly applies on me "when you find out that you entire life is a lie....".
@ Seek3R
Sorry I think it was my mention of Orbital Decay that threw you off. Orbital decay refers to man made objects in orbit around the earth, being slowly pulled towards the planet as gravity exerts its force.
The Earth is moving further from the sun, the moon is moving further from the earth.
Global Warming is causing the hotter summers, it will get worse.
Most stars are increasing their distance from each other, galaxies are receding from each other.
Your book is a lie, A fable, an untruth, an impossible fable.
There, Sorry for the misleading comment, my bad. I was so much taken aback that anyone would actually give any credence to such a thing as the verse you quoted, I was laughing so hard and not typing or thinking logically.,
Old man shouts ...
"Most stars are increasing their distance from each other, galaxies are receding from each other."
Actually galaxies in our neighborhood are moving toward each other. The Milky Way is currently absorbing several smaller galaxies, including our own, the dwarf Sagittarius galaxy. In another four or five billion years the Andromeda and Milky Way galaxies will start to merge together.
There are a great many factors that can increase or decrease the average distance between two objects. Orbital decay is one, and it causes the distance to decrease, BUT there are other factors as well. The sum of all the known calculable factors is positive (increasing distance). The empirical result is also positive (increasing).
The largest known factor is the sun's loss of mass, which more than cancels the contributions from orbital decay.
eta: Positions of objects change based on their velocity and more importantly in this conversation:the SUM of the forces on them divided by their mass. You are only considering one force, not the sum of all forces.
Hey, Seeker.
Again, I am no expert or specialist in astronomy or astrophysics in any way. But I can tell you that when I hear of "orbital decay", the first thing that pops into my mind has to do with satellites orbiting the Earth. And there is a reason they have that orbital decay and their orbits have to be routinely adjusted to keep them from plunging back into the atmosphere. That reason is due to the incredibly tiny amount of "drag" they experience in Earth orbit, especially in lower Earth orbits. That drag causes them to lose speed/velocity over time, and satellites have to maintain a very specific speed/velocity in order to maintain specific orbit levels. However, (And please correct me if I am wrong, Nyar.) you cannot really compare satellites orbiting the Earth to the Earth orbiting the Sun. While the very general and basic physics may be the same, there are many different factors for each that make the comparison rather "lopsided". Again, as I said, I am no expert on any of this, but I have always enjoyed reading about these things and watching many science and space documentaries. And, as Nyar said, the Earth is steadily moving further away from the Sun, not closer. Just as the moon is steadily moving further away from the Earth. We live in the age of the internet, my man. It really is not that difficult to find this information online. I suggest finding a good NOVA episode on the subject. Even as a kid many, many moons ago I use to love watching that show. *chuckle*
Right, in the satellite-Earth system, the drag on the satellite is the major contributor to changes in the satellites orbit.
In the Earth-Sun system, drag is a tiny effect, with other effects being larger.
@Seek3R: Is the earth moving towards sun or not?
Not.If Mo said that he was wrong.
The tidal affect caused by an orbiting body slows the rotation of the primary body and accelerates the orbiting body, causing it to move further away. That happens with the Earth around the Sun and the Moon around the Earth.
I gave you the citation in the Quaran that says the earth is moving away from the sun. Why do you keep insisting on your moronic interpretation.
Oughtn't you to Google such basic facts before assuming a supernatural explanation?
https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn17228-why-is-the-earth-moving-awa...
Hahahahahaha @ "one mile"
People would be perspiring? Are you insane. Mercury has a molten surface and it is 57.91 million km from the sun,. Your prophecy is RETARDED. People will be perspiring at a mile from the sun? You have to be home schooled. How did Muhammad find out about anything? He is a moron.
EXPLAIN THIS ONE:
"The Moon is moving towards the Sun, and the EARTH IS MOVING FARTHER AWAY, and the earth's rotation is changing - Mentioned in the Noble Quran and Confirmed by Science:"
http://www.answering-christianity.com/mahir/sun_moon_earth_miracle.htm
@Cog Re: Vid link
Well, I have to say they at least got ONE thing right in that article. There WILL come a day when there will be no more water on the Earth. Yep, in just a few measly million (billion?) years from now our Sun will go *KA-PLOOIE!!!*, and the Earth will become like a marshmallow held too close to a campfire. Atmosphere stripped away, and all water going bye-bye with it. If the Earth survives at all, it will be only a lump of charcoal floating lifeless around a dead sun. It's okay, though, because we have a stockpile of bottled water stored in the basement for just such an emergency.
Edit to add: Oh, I forgot to mention to Seeker that it is very likely Mankind will be extinct loooooong before that ever happens.
@Cognostic:
From the article you cited: another stunning Diving Miracle in the Holy Quran
Would that be a back flip with a twist or just a belly flop?
I'm voting belly flop. The Quaran obviously contradicts itself and says both things.
The sun would draw up to a mile away? wow, just wow.
If he'd have said that the sun would expand into a giant red star and engulf us all, he may have been on to something.
Same rubbish as always.
"My question is, how did he find out about this?
Lucky guess?
Hey guys,
Thanks for the answers. Helps a lot. Hope you don't mind my dumb mind sometimes, it needs a lot of confirmations.
By the way, I just found out how muhammad made that guess. There's this concept in islam that on the day of judgement, 7 kinds of people will be under the shade of allah. These includes martyrs and etc etc. So, if there is a shade for these 7 types of people then there has to be some kind of heat for the other people. Since muhammad can't summon raging fire from the bottom of the earth or cause a new sun to be born, he made the distance between earth and sun of just 1 mile so that the remaining people can have a "little" heat from the sun while the other 7 are shaded. Unfortunately, the shade of allah along with allah himself will be cooked too if sun came that close.
What my point is that on the day of judgement, there has to be some source of heat for the infidels. The only thing that came in his mind was to bring the earth closer to sun. The concept of 7 people shaded is important because many people want to achieve that shade e.g. martyrs so it can't be ignored. Another important thing is, the infidels can't be burnt on that day before the actual judgements starts so the source of heat cannot be from within the earth (e.g. invisible, burning fire inside the earth heating up the surface). The source of heat has to be slightly away from the earth so that the infidels only sweat and the "good" people are shaded also, not from within the earth but in some way idk what way.
It is also a part of saying that on that day, his shade will be the only shade. So shade vs sun.
If I were an asshole like muhammad, I'd also make the sun gay and bring it close to earth. Even I can't think of any other possible way of cooking the infidels which should be logical and believable.
Ok, You do realise that the sun is 1Au or 91 million mile away, don't you?
If we was simply 20 - 30 million miles closer, Earth would almost certainly be unable to support life! Let alone 1 mile.
The claim is ridiculous to the highest degree.
Muhammed would be baked to death long before the sun go even remotely close to being 1 mile away.
So lets look at this literally,
Just for perspective, if you are claiming 1 mile from the ground here on Earth, that would mean the sun being within our atmosphere and lower then Everest, which would be amazing to see it shrink to fit, as well as cool enough to not destroy every living thing.
Now if you simply mean 1 mile away from Earth, that is equally stupid.
When the sun begins the process to its demise the it will shine far brighter than it does today, which will result in the melting of the poles, the boiling of the oceans, the loss of our precious atmosphere and the death of all life.
We will essentially be like the planet Venus.
When the sun expands it will almost certainly vaporize the inner two planets of our solar system and most likely our home too!
How did Muhammed not know shit!
Based on the current size of the Sun about 1,000,000 Earths could fit into the Sun. The idea that the Earth could get within 1 mile of the Sun under any circumstance is off the scale of stupidity. Mohammed didn't know crap about gravity. Discussing subjects such as this is asinine. https://www.businessinsider.com/image-of-1-million-earths-inside-the-sun...
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