Hi what do you guys think of the Sumerian tablets apparently depicting the solar system with the planets all to scale also ?
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Spudnik….
You are going to have to be a little bit more specific ……. exactly which Sumerian tablets are you referring to ?
Ideally which collection ? ,what catalogue number ? where was the tablet found ? ,by whom..? and where is the tablet now ?
or (more likely I suspect ) which U-Tube video / Internet article did you get your information from ..?
https://debunkingdoomsday.quora.com/Debunked-This-tablet-from-the-ancien...
It is the cylinder seal VA243 the main thing that caught my eye is it seems to depict the planets in similar scale to one another not only that but also it depicts what some would consider to be a correct number of planets im not at all a pro in this field just wondering also one of the planets is supposed to be the moon and pluto i know the moon is not a planet.
If they were to scale, then the largest one would need to be about 60 times the width of the smallest one; which is clearly not the case. A good example of that size difference would be between a BB (4.5mm) and a baseball (235mm). Which leads me to the questions:
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edit: If it was a collection of 11 objects to scale, it would be very interesting! But clearly it is not.
@Spud...…
So ….VA243...… Sumerian/Akkadian cylinder seal ….currently held in Berlin …… and ,of course darling of conspiracy theorists....
( SC007 looks to be right here.... )
Tell me Spud..... how many planets do you count ?
Which of the "dots" do you think is the moon...…. which was traditionally depicted as a crescent in similar seal impressions.....
(see link …. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cylinder_seal)
(The seals showing the God Enki demonstrate my point )
Why do you think the ancient Akkadians ,without telescopes , knew of Pluto …… not discovered by modern astronomers with telescopes until 1930 .
By way of highlighting Senior Citizen 007 's post...… check out this link.....
www.michaelsheiser.com/va_243%20page.htm
"1) The inscription on the seal says nothing about astronomy, Nibiru, or planets.
2) The alleged "sun" symbol on the seal is not the sun. We know this for sure because it does not conform to the consistent depiction / symbology of the sun on hundreds of other cylinder seals, monuments, and pieces of Sumero-Mesopotamian art.
3) There is not a single text in any extant Sumero-Mesopotamian text that says the Sumerians or Mesopotamians knew of more than five planets. There are a number of cuneiform tablets that deal with astronomy, all of which have been compiled and published.
i just find it interesting the way it does look like it is depicting the sun with the planets around it i also saw a chart that listed the planets saying that the two smallest dots are the moon and pluto the two larger ones up from them are mars and mercury then two larger ones from them are earth and venus then next two larger ones are neptune and uranus then saturn and jupiter and then the missing and yet possibly existing nibiru now they may not be to the exact scale but they do still represent a larger and smaller scale
They aren't even close, who told you they were?
@Spud.....
Ok..... so no answer to "how many planets you count"...… Alright...no problem...… lets try this...…
"the moon and pluto ,mars and mercury , earth and venus ,neptune and uranus then saturn and Jupiter"....
I make that 10...…. but I note that you now posit "the missing and yet possibly existing nibiru"...…
Now I have to pull you up on that...… there is no nibiru…… IF you know otherwise..... I'll consider your evidence....
However even counting in the non existent nibiru that only makes 11..... but I count 12 "dots" ….. any chance you're going to invent another missing planet …… or perhaps you don't count 12 ?
there are 11 dots out side the star or possibly sun thing and is there no evidence for another planet because i thought nasa come out saying there is potentially another planet i could be wrong
Zecharia Sitchin … a sci-fi writer, started this:
'Sitchin attributed the creation of the ancient Sumerian culture to the Anunnaki, which he stated was a race of extraterrestrials from a planet beyond Neptune called Nibiru'
It's amazing what can be made of a few dots, eh?
Scientologists like reading Sitchin's works.
I wonder of David Icke has anything to say on this subject?
@Spud...
OK.... look at the centre figure.... look to the immediate left of his head...… I see an ascending line of 3 dots..... one ,to be sure ,is close to the shadow cast by the top border... but is clearly visible....
Further... if you look to the right of the central figure.... follow the line of his chin and there is yet another dot....the same size as the lowest dot below the "star/sun" image..... counting this too would make 13.
Yeah I count 1 "big dot", 11 smaller dots, + 1 extra dot near the "chin"; for a total of 13.
edit: oh i see it now... one dot at the top of the image like watchman said; so total of 14.
The ratio of the diameter of the 2nd largest dot to the smallest dot is about 3.5. The ratio of the diameter of Jupiter to Pluto is about 60. Again: not even close.
No such thing exists. You are listening to the Ancient alien BS.
https://www.google.co.kr/search?q=Summerian+solar+system+tablet+debunked...
i have looked through allot of the debunking of this and allot of the sites tend to just say its not a sun its a star and then refer back to a popular article saying its a star but what i am saying is it does look like a sun and the planets around them might not be 100% to exact scale but it does show a difference in size which shows a smaller from larger scale if it was just a bunch of dots that was not in such a scaled sized order it wouldn't be that interesting but they seemed to scale the dots for a reason for instance two similar scaled dots that could be neptune and uranus another two could be earth and venus another two the larger could be jupiter and saturn and so on its a little strange how they scale them in order the way they do almost like it is not a random guess of numbers but they know the difference in sizes im not saying they did just pondering it.
If you take any random set of dots with different sizes you can collect them by order and assign them to represent planets. It provides no information about them, because it is something you are doing, not the original artist.
Sputnik...and what if it is an accurate depiction? What would that mean to you?
why when looking in to a topic on this forum some one always says and so what what would that mean to you well to me i would think it was pretty amazing that they new about all this stuff so many years ago and i would be amazed
The ancient Sumerian astronomers were the first civilization that recorded the movement of the heavenly bodies on clay tablets, as far back as 3500 BC. They recorded the positions, and developed a rough method of calculating planetary positioning. But they did not develop the mathematical model that depicted the realistic motions.
This was the beginning of astronomy as we know it, and from the ancient Babylonian tablets science built from that firm foundation.
Spudnik, just because they mapped the heavens, were able to predict planetary positions and held a world view where the earth was surrounded by planets, that does not mean they had all the answers.
you cannot see all the planets with the eye how would they know what planets was out there
They did not know. Heck even today there is fierce debate how many planets there are in our solar system, even though we can easily see with modern equipment all the very large objects in our solar system.
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@Spudnik
I highly doubt they were anywhere near close to scale, just like others in this thread pointed out.
There are several moons that are bigger than planets. And the distances are hard to imagine. Also even if mercury was just a small dot, say the size of a pea, the sun drawn to scale would not even come close to fitting on a "tablet."
As for distances, even placing all the planets on a 2d plane, keep the scale of mercury as the size of a pea, you would have to have mercury and pluto tablets placed a couple of miles apart from each other, for it to be anywhere near close to the scale of distances.
Although I do give a nod that the ancient sumerian culture got anything close to right at all, well done on their part with the limited tech available to them.
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by the way is there actually a possibility that nibiru is real
@ Spud ……
"is there actually a possibility that nibiru is real"....
Nope...…. nibiru has as much chance of existing as a wax cat being chased through hell by an asbestos dog on roller skates.
https://sservi.nasa.gov/articles/truth-about-nibiru/
so what was the nasa thing about when they said that about 6 large masses were being shifted around in a strange orbit in are solar system and the chances was highly likely that it is caused by a massive planet we have not yet seen apparently the chances are 1 in 150.000 that this large planet exist again i saw this on a youtube video though i will give you the vid name if you like
@Spud.....
" i will give you the vid name if you like"
Yes please...… difficult to comment without knowing where you got your info from ...
The "ancients had special knowledge" is a legacy of the von Daniken-class con men.
@ Spud …..
OK … I think I've found what you are referring to..... Its not from Nasa ….. its the a report of the work of two astronomers at CALTECH
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Its is however in no way conclusive..... although the two astronomers in question ,Brown and Batygin, are very positive about their theory ….. other astronomers are not so certain ….. everyone seems to agree that more observations are needed and more data required.....
An astronomer ,Dave Jewitt UC LA....
"Jewitt, who has seen plenty of 3-sigma results disappear before. By reducing the dozen objects examined by Sheppard and Trujillo to six for their analysis, Batygin and Brown weakened their claim, he says. “I worry that the finding of a single new object that is not in the group would destroy the whole edifice,” says Jewitt, who is at UC Los Angeles. “It’s a game of sticks with only six sticks.”
"Hal Levison, a planetary dynamicist at the Southwest Research Institute in Boulder, Colorado, agrees that something has to be creating the orbital alignment Batygin and Brown have detected. But he says the origin story they have developed for Planet X and their special pleading for a gas-slowed ejection add up to “a low-probability event.”
So by no means a "done deal"...… at least not yet …… and still a long shot …… this article gives a fairly balanced and even handed account of the work....
http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2016/01/astronomers-say-neptune-sized-pla...
So it looks as if you were right...… and I was wrong …… there is a possibility that something may exist out there ….. I yield the field.
do they have a idea how big the planet might be that is possibly out there
@Spud.....
They're talking of something earth sized...…,
"there's an undiscovered planet bigger than Earth lurking in the distant reaches of our solar system"
check this link.....
https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2016/01/20/463087037/hints-of-a-...
I have to point out that this "planet X" or "planet nine" as they refer to it, is NOT "nibiru" ….. indeed it is not yet certain it is in fact a planet...…
now this is not my field …. but...
for instance if the distant objects they are tracking are ,say asteroids high in ferrous materials their movement could be due to magnetic fluctuations …… or perhaps the movements could be caused by a small meteor or similar object but of very VERY high density material....causing a gravitational effect …… in any case we do not know anything …… yet.