Wed, 11/14/2018 - 10:48
J N Vanderbilt III " Sounds like an evolution of the gaps syndrome. You weren’t around when it originated"

J N Vanderbilt III "There is eyewitness to raising of the dead as promulgated in the Bible, that lends to observable experience"

Firstly there are anonymous claims, nothing more, and secondly that's an hilarious double standard you have used there, where someone has to have personally witnessed something you donlt want to believe, but you don't have to witness something you want to believe.

Incidentally speciation has been observed in real time, so species evolution as well being evidenced through natural selection has been observed in a laboratory. No one has ever observed anyone rise from the dead, though the bible does make this risible claim.

Now, what objective evidence can you demonstrate that DNA was designed by a sentient being? Other than the argument from ignorance fallacy you're using to try and reverse the burden of proof for your superstitious belief?

I said what objective evidence can you demonstrate **beyond an argument from ignorance fallacy.** All you have done is repeat your original argument from ignorance fallacy.

"Any code you can refer to ALWAYS comes from intelligence"

Do you have any examples where this "intelligence" isn't human? Otherwise you're creating a rule from examples that don't support your conclusion.

"As for speciation witnessed, what exactly would that be?"

noun BIOLOGY
the formation of new and distinct species in the course of evolution.

J N Vanderbilt III: Any code you can refer to ALWAYS comes from intelligence

That is not a falsifiable statement.

Your claim is essentially that a transcendental intelligence is needed to create a code, rather than a mechanism defined by the laws of nature. As you do not transcend nature, you cannot prove your statement to be true.

It is an argument from ignorance fallacy, as you were told on the first page, and therefor by definition it cannot be asserted as rational, as you were also told on the first page. No amount of repetition will change this.

Now what objective evidence can you demonstrate for any deity, or for any code produced by anything super-natural?

Oh yeah none, just the same tedious argument from ignorance fallacy you have doggedly refused to accept is fallacious.
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"What new species have you witnessed evolving?"

None, I never claimed I had witnessed anything, only that scientists had witnessed speciation in a laboratory.

"Biologists Watch Speciation in a Laboratory Flask"

https://ucsdnews.ucsd.edu/pressrelease/biologists_watch_speciation_in_a_...

JN Vanderbilt.

Not only fruit flies, which will be enough to prove evolution but also on birds, fish and plants

A New Bird Species Has Evolved on Galapagos And Scientists Watched It Happen

https://www.sciencealert.com/darwin-s-finches-evolve-into-new-species-in...

Extraordinarily rapid speciation in a marine fish

http://www.pnas.org/content/114/23/6074

Observed Instances of Speciation

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-speciation.html

Anyway, I repeat myself again,

I showed you that RNA (which has a code as per your definition) can emerge without any intelligence involved. This would be a code created by nature. It answers the question in your OP. Now what?

J N Vanderbilt III: It’s merely stating the obvious aka , law of deduction , rather elimination, perfectly logical.

Before you were making a claim you said was based on observation, now you are saying it was based on what you think is obvious.

J N Vanderbilt III: What new species have you witnessed evolving?
Again fruitflies ?

You've been given links that document numerous cases of speciation. If you want one example to prove you wrong, this includes species of fruit flies. But it also includes bacteria, plants, and animals, whether over hundred of years or twenty minutes. It includes cases of new species arising that are not just a different species from their immediate ancestor, but from a different domain (in terms of classification): for example, the evolution of multi-cellular lifeforms from single-celled lifeforms.

I never mentioned an "ignorant fallacy", in fact I have no idea what that is. Christ I pointed out it was an argument from ignorance fallacy on the first page, and you still haven't Googled argumentum ad ignorantiam. It's as if you enjoy embarrassing yourself.

"Funny you claim evolution , but any species you claim that has evolved, is guess what, still the same species."

What?

"Fruit flies which have under gone a gargantuan slew of generations are still fruit flies, "

What the fuck are you talking about? Tephritidae is a family of insects that includes large fruit flies. It does not include the biological model organism of the genus Drosophila, which is often called the common fruit fly. There are nearly five thousand described species of tephritid fruit fly, categorized in almost five hundred genera.

"any bacterial changes you can site are genes w switches modified is all."

Cite ffs not site, and I linked an article showing that scientists have viewed speciation in real time, as per your request.

"Micro evolution is at play, not macro"

They're the same thing on different time scales, and again speciation is an observed fact.
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You still haven't given a single example of a code created by anything super natural?

Humans are natural, we create codes, that's one for nature and the material universe.

Oh so citing the process of elimination is an ignorant fallacy? I beg to differ

Funny you claim evolution , but any species you claim that has evolved, is guess what, still the same species. Fruit flies which have under gone a gargantuan slew of generations are still fruit flies, any bacterial changes you can site are genes w switches modified is all. Micro evolution is at play, not macro

The arising of new species incapable of interbreeding with ancestral strains has been repeatedly observed.

"No macro evolution has been observed. "

http://humanorigins.si.edu/evidence/human-family-tree

Human evolution ancestry, lineage and evidence - The Smithsonian Institute.

Now for speciation in real time, observed in a lab, and you've been shown this twice already so are a bare faced liar.

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2016/11/161129152743.htm

"Biologists watch speciation in a laboratory flask"

Now please demonstrate objective evidence for a single code created by anything supernatural?

Each time you dodge this question your mendacity becomes more manifest, and I am so sick of you tedious and dishonest repetition that I am going to pose this question every single time you repeat yours, that we have all answered repeatedly.

Kudos on a great example of a straw man! :D

J N Vanderbilt III: It’s funny how you harp on speciation as be all for your declining theory of evolution and you can’t come to grips w the fact that any creature that undergoes speciation is STILL the same creature. The little dog you bring on the plane is still a dog like the mastiff you left at home, how bout that?

Give your definition of "species".