Hi Folks,
My second thread in this community that warmed my heart and welcomed me with sincere honesty from both sides! Thank you ALL.
I'd like to talk about the fact that 95% of Muslims don't know that Muhammad married Aisha when she was 6 years old and consummated his marriage with her when she was 9 and he was 54 years old at that time. "YES 95%"
Again I repeat and look at it from a close ANGLE. "6 years old CHILD!"
Sahih Bukhari Volume 7, Book 62, Number 64
Narrated 'Aisha:
that the Prophet married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old, and then she remained with him for nine years (i.e., till his death).
I just can't shake away the fact that he was 54 years old! "Wish you guys could see me now!" Shaking my head NO!! UGH!!. That's just DISGUSTING.
Not to mention the fact that he had 11 wives and many others which he didn't marry but only had sex with and he also got his proposals turned down many time.
https://wikiislam.net/wiki/List_of_Muhammads_Wives_and_Concubines
Holy Moly! Was this guy for real? Couldn't people see that he was using their Illiterate weakness to take advantage of? I can't judge them as back in their period, they would've believed literally anything he says. DUH!!
Looks like Muhammad was a total freak and a child molester! How come you not see it? Seriously FOR REAL. How come Muslims not see it?
I guess they can't accept he fact that their brain is completely been washed with lies and illusions.
Would love to hear your thoughts about this!
Cheers
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@Supernova:
The believers will tell us that morality was different in those days, and that we shouldn't apply our 21st century morality to ancient people. I've heard this from both Muslims and Christians..
Yet those same people also tell us that their god gives them an absolute, unchanging, objective morality. So sex with a 9-year-old girl has either always been right or always been wrong. I think it's always been wrong. It's an evil crime. An old man who does that should be locked up forever.
So why do these idiots keep lecturing us about morality?
There's no such a thing as different in these days. It's pretty much the same and the only difference is that we have technology and education. They didn't have those things. Yet they still can't admit the fact that their GODS and prophets were completely fake!
We have evidence of everything they need what else they want? if not than they are nothing but a hypocrite who is stubborn to believe that their entire life was just a lie!
If there's one thing i promise everyone here and there, that 20 years from now everything will be different! How? Religions will be dead, Trust me when i say this! Scientific community is close enough to put an end to this once for all.
Just look at how the world was in 2000 and how it is 17 years later! It's a revolution.
Easy question!
They can't admit that they've been living a lie their whole life. That would be a huge deal for each one of them. No one knows Muslims like I DO. I lived with them, I know how they think and how they react and how they even dress. Been studying every culture and every book as i know the Quran Front to back. Their Sunnah. It's a complete Bulls**t.
Just had this very same conversation here on these forums. Although betrothals were very common for toddlers and older children, consummation was very rare until mid or late teens.
Many muslims maintain apart from the "historical context makes it ok" null argument that Aisha had reached her menarche and so that made her a woman and ready for full penetration with a perfumed, fat, rotten toothed 52 year old man. It is very unlikely that Aisha had, indeed reached her menarche for statistical reasons which I produced in that argument.
The conclusion is that Mohammed could not contain his lust for a child and therefore cannot be the 'perfect' man.
There is some doubt about Aisha's true age and some scholars and Muslim historian maintain she was older which is in keeping with her known age later. The reason that the 9 year old at consummation legend and the 'playing with dolls' myth was promulgated was to enhance the view of her virginity and purity at the time of marriage as she had already been betrothed before Mohammed.
The problem is that Mohammed's example has set the scene and law for the rape and forced marriage for thousands of pre pubertal and adolescent girls just not ready for sex. Thus depriving their countries and nations of the breadth of talent that educated young women can bring to a profession.
(Edited for clarity)
I had a study about this when i was at the age of 11 and i remember the exact words that were coming out of the Imam mouth.
She was 6 years old and he consummated his marriage with her when she was 9. He pretty much ended up having sex with her at the same age and nothing assures us he didn't. You Just said it yourself
He couldn't resist such a young and beautiful girl as he was 54 years old. Trust me anyone else that is out of his mind would do the same!!
And yes this give the opportunity to many Muslims to take advantage of and marrying a girl at an early age.
It's well known that girls have their first period at the age of 10-15. The average age is 12 not 6 years old.
HE WAS A FREAK and a CHILD MOLESTER and nothing justify his crime against those kids and humanity!
He should've been hanged.
The worst part is that 95% of Muslims don't know that he actually married a 9 years old.
As i have personally did a social experiment and i was blowing away about how dumb people are as they have no clue what their religion is about, all they say is Islam means PEACE. "Peace my A**"
I remember debating this with a Shi'a who told me we should all be congratulating Mohammed for containing his lust for 3 long years...wtf?
Oh boy! Shia is a different story! I know things about them that is more disgusting that animals would not dare to do!!
I use to debate with them on a platform called Paltalk. Their just a waste of humanity and they should be completely vanished and wiped off from the face of the universe. It'll be a huge relief. LOL
@Old Man
"The problem is that Mohammed's example has set the scene and law for the rape and forced marriage for thousands of pre pubertal and adolescent girls just not ready for sex. Thus depriving their countries and nations of the breadth of talent that educated young women can bring to a profession."
I agree. But they can't denounce it. If they question the Prophet's rectitude on this, it calls all the rest of Islam into question, too.
@Sushisnake Not just that! In most case they have to marry someone older than them even if he's already married with kids!
Back in Morocco i knew someone who got married for the fourth time to a girl at the age of 12 and her parents were totally okay with it. I was completely pissed OFF as she looked so innocent and still too damn young. From the look on her face I can tell she didn't want to marry him as i heard he's about 45 years old!
To this day there's a lot of girls getting married at the age of 10-12!! There must be something to be done :-(
Islam is already at the edge it's just a matter of time when everyone realizes it.
Objectivity is anathema to faith based beliefs. How long could one maintain faith in a perfectly merciful deity once you accept the obvious fact his "messenger" was a disgusting paedophile who raped a nine year old child.
@Sheldon Like i mentioned above 95% of the Muslims don't know that he married a six years old child. When i asked them on a social experiment they accused me of lying!!.
This is an old topic.
Muhammad not like.
If the debates I've had with Muslim believers are anything to go by, they turn the question of Aisha into a whataboutery game. What about the fact that your own great grandparents married girls we'd consider far too young to give consent today? They don’t acknowledge that none of us believe our great grandparents were right to do so because they were morally perfect beings, but that's the claim Muslims make for their Prophet. Sure, it was wrong for men to have sex with and marry little girls- we know that now. It was wrong for everyone, EXCEPT the Prophet, because he was a morally perfect human being.
Some of our great great grandparents kept slaves, too and we all agree it was just plain wrong. No one will argue it was wrong for everyone except Joe Blow, because he was a morally perfect human being.
The more I know about Islam, the smarter I think the Christian myth makers were to make their guy celibate.
@ Sushisnake
Exactly my point, If the "perfect man' could not contain his lust for a child, and the daughter of his best friend then the whole structure of Islamic faith must fail.
Either Morality is subjective and changes, therefore Allah is not immutable, unchanging and all powerful, or the 'laws' and "revelations" that allowed Mohammed to rape a child make it not only acceptable but compulsory today. Few except even fanatical moslems would offer up their 9 year olds to corpulent, bad toothed perfumed and groin shaven old men.
The fact this still on going makes every Muslim a hypocrite. The more you talk about it the more they are convinced that their prophet is the perfect human being. What would you do in this case? I have basically told this to an Imam in Morocco he cursed me and tried to kick me out of the meeting. LOL
@Supernova
Take heart from the fact that many people around the world are denouncing it and many ARE Muslims. I'm on my way out, but will get back to you later with more on this.
If Muhammad existed, he is an ancestor of most if not all people who frequent this forum. I see no reason to not denounce the abhorrent actions of my ancestors simply because I'm related to them.
@Sapporo LOL. Did you know that Moroccans believe that Muhammad VI the king of Morocco is related to Muhammad? They made the people think he and he's family is related to their prophet and no one shall touch them and they shall obey their orders.
In fact i would like to share this video to show you how Fu**d is Morocco.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u-9uyY-qiC8
That's the King of Morocco and his followers.
Don't Muslims also believe that the Mahdi will be descended from Muhammad, as though that is a rare thing?
@Sapporo Yes they do believe that one day there will be a savior his name is Muhammad not Mahdi as Mahdi name in Arabic means "Guidance or Guided one".
Muhammad says there will be a savior his name is my name, and his father's name is my father's name. LOL
What's fun about this thread is that 95% of Muslims do not know about the practice of "Thighing." This is what was done to little Aisha, and what continues today in families all over the Middle East.
https://www.councilofexmuslims.com/index.php?topic=9668.0
The absolute sickness of Islam is much more than you imagine.
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"Thighing" Aisha
Muhammad placed his penis between the thighs of Aisha and he massaged it to orgasm since he could not have sexual intercourse with her until she was nine.
Praise be to Allah and peace be upon the one after whom there is no [further] prophet.
After the permanent committee for the scientific research and fatwahs (religious decrees) reviewed the question presented to the grand Mufti Abu Abdullah Muhammad Al-Shemary, the question forwarded to the committee by the grand scholar of the committee with reference number 1809 issued on 3/8/1421 (Islamic calendar). The inquirer asked the following:
It has become wide spread these days, and especially during weddings, the habit of mufa’khathat of the children (mufa’khathat literally translated means "placing between the thighs" which means placing the male member between the thighs of a child). What is the opinion of scholars knowing full well that the prophet, the peace and prayer of Allah be upon him, also practiced the "thighing" of Aisha - the mother of believers - may Allah be please with her.
After the committee studied the issue, they gave the following reply:
It has not been the practice of the Muslims throughout the centuries to resort to this unlawful practice that has come to our countries from pornographic movies that the kufar (infidels) and enemies of Islam send. As for the prophet, peace and prayer of Allah be upon him, thighing his fiancée Aisha. She was six years of age and he could not have intercourse with her due to her small age. That is why [the prophet] peace and prayer of Allah be upon him placed his [male] member between her thighs and massaged it softly, as the apostle of Allah had control of his [male] member not like other believers.[9][10]
See Also [11] [12] [13] [14]
https://wikiislam.net/wiki/Qur%27an,_Hadith_and_Scholars:Aisha
@ Cognostic
What's fun about this thread
" She was six years of age and he could not have intercourse with her due to her small age. That is why [the prophet] peace and prayer of Allah be upon him placed his [male] member between her thighs and massaged it softly, as the apostle of Allah had control of his [male] member not like other believers.[9][10]"
I just threw up a little in my mouth. FFS.
I know the story of the "Thighing". Completely out of control and the top level of disgusting! This still on going to this day.
SUPERNOVA,
This is a favorite topic that keeps popping up like a zombie. People try to make a big deal out of it but it's just bull shit.
In 1895 the age on consent in America was 7. During slavery times there was no minimum. You can bet that a lot of the famous slavers, including some Presidents, were baby rapers.
The Jewish Babylonian Talmud had whole essays on how to rape two and three year-olds. They even say that King David knocked up Bathsheba when she was 6 years old.
The Bible has several stories about how guys such as Moses engaged in baby raping. People think that he was a swell guy.
Some Catholic priests spend decades raping kids.
And 12 year-olds can get married in America today.
So sure, we can bitch about a 7th Century desert Arab who screwed a 9 year-old girl but the outrage should be directed toward the people who do such things now. That's something we might be able to do something about. Ask some orthodox Rabbis how many times they have had sex with three-year olds.
@Diotrephes At that time anything can happen and anyone can do such a thing and get away with it. But now things are mostly different.
For example thighing is common within Shia but not all Sunnah unless they are from the village, We call it Badia. Which they are completely illiterates.
I wonder where Muhammad got it from in the first place!!!
Only if we can do something about it and end this for GOOD.
@ Diotrephes get with the flow.
Your argument says nothing. The fact is that Mohammed's peadophilic example as "the perfect man" is now the law for millions of children and dirty old men.
Your Talmudic rants are muted to being "20% of Catholic priests consider sex with prepubertal boys not against the vows celibacy" AU Royal Commission 2017.
What may have been 'permitted' in history is still immoral and MUST BE CONDEMNED not held up as the standard for future generations or as a divine fucking rule. (No pun intended)
This is the THIRD time I have explained this to you and you still come up with the same stupid fucking post as if it excuses these bastards and their current practises. FGS. . WE KNOW certain practises were commonplace, but they were still immoral and we recognise that. They excuse nothing by being legal. CLARO?
Old man shouts ...
Supernova said in his OP = "I'd like to talk about the fact that 95% of Muslims don't know that Muhammad married Aisha when she was 6 years old and consummated his marriage with her when she was 9 and he was 54 years old at that time. "YES 95%""
So if 95% of muslims don't know that then 5% do. Does that make it a common practice?
I know that child marriage was very common and is still being practiced in some areas despite the push to eliminate it.
Here's a link to some articles from the Arab News about it =
Diana Moukalled | Published — Saturday 8 April 2017
‘Are we still debating the legitimacy of child marriage?’
http://www.arabnews.com/node/1081406
Outrage as Malaysian MP says girls as young as 9 are fit for marriage
AFP | Published — Wednesday 5 April 2017
http://www.arabnews.com/node/1079511/world
Pak scholars block ‘un-Islamic’ child marriage bill
AGENCIES | Published — Saturday 16 January 2016
http://www.arabnews.com/world/news/865856
Child marriage accepted in Brazil to escape abuse
REUTERS | Published — Thursday 16 July 2015
http://www.arabnews.com/world/news/777091
"BOGOTA: Child marriage is widely accepted in Brazil, where girls seek older husbands to escape from sexual and other violence in the home, or because of teenage pregnancies or the lack of job opportunities, according to new research.
There has been scant research in Brazil on child marriage, and little has been done to tackle it, researchers from Plan International, Brazil’s Federal University of Para and the gender equality charity Promundo said.
“Child marriage in Brazil is very normalised and accepted,” said Alice Taylor, lead author of the report, whose researchers say it is the first study of its kind in Brazil.
Brazil is ranked fourth in the world in the number of girls married to or living with a partner by the age of 15, with 877,000 women aged 20 to 24 reporting they were married by 15, according to a Brazilian government census in 2010. Legally, Brazilians can marry at 16 if both parents consent, or earlier in certain circumstances such as pregnancy."
Germany to dissolve child marriages, with some exceptions
Associated Press | Published — Tuesday 1 November 2016
http://www.arabnews.com/node/1005211/world
Outrage in Turkey over ‘child marriage green light’
AFP | Published — Thursday 4 January 2018
http://www.arabnews.com/node/1218971/middle-east
“Forcing girls to marry before psychological and biological maturity, and before they obtain the responsibility to become a mother and form a family is not compatible with Islam which says will and consent are conditions for marriage,” it added.
And don't forget the rule from the book that billions of people love =
http://www.bricktestament.com/the_law/rape/dt22_23a.html 12 pictures.
@Diotrephes It's mostly common in Shia and it's 100% legal to do so! It's a fucked up culture and beyond disgusting. They still do it until this day and there's no shame on it as they are following their Imams orders.
You'll be shocked of the ritual practice in Iran.
There's a part of them where they worship Ali and believes that God meant to send Ali instead of Muhammad but Gabriel made a mistake! LOL. They accused the most loyal and trustful creatures of GOD. DUH!!
Also there's a part of them that believes Ali was a GOD in a human picture! LOL.
@ Diotrephes
And what does this mean? there is no point publishing lists of offences against children...we KNOW they are immoral. How does that establish your position?
Nyah Nyah they do it too? Then they are fucking immoral bastards as well! What the fuck are you trying to prove?
Diotrephes, you wrote, “In 1895 the age on consent in America was 7.”
That only in Delaware. In fact, the Social Purity Movement, which was started in 1860, was instrumental in upping the age of consent across the states. One by one the states changed their laws and by 1920 the age was typically between 16 and 18.
You also assert that there was no minimum age of consent “during slavery times”. Please let us know what those times are. And please, point me in the direction of some data on that one.
CyberLN,
Delaware is in the US so if the age of consent was 7 there it was 7 in the US. It might be a play on words but it's still true.
"In the 1800s all the way to 1965 it was not against the US Law if a man had sexual relations with a female who was 7 to 10 years of age, the rape Law only was enforced in the States if the girl was below 10, or as in the case of Delaware it was below 7."
"He declared, further, that this society had urgent need to pronounce itself on the subject of the so-called AGE OF CONSENT LAWS. Girls are deemed capable of controlling property only at their majority, but States decide not so with their persons. IN FOUR STATES THE AGE OF CONSENT IS FIXED AT THE SHOCKINGLY LOW AGE OF TEN YEARS, in four others at twelve, in three at thirteen, and so on, increasing, except in DELAWARE, WHERE THE ORIGINAL STATUTE PERTAINING TO THE CRIME OF RAPE IS STILL UNREPEALED, FIXING THE AGE AT SEVEN YEARS. These so-called age of consent statutes, which discriminate against girlhood and favor immoral men, are a disgrace to the several States of the Union."
https://discover-the-truth.com/2016/09/13/the-age-of-consent-laws-in-ame...
Now remember, during slavery times slaves had ZERO rights. So if a slaver wanted to have sex with a slave child he could do it without any sanctions. And after slavery the brothels had a lot of child prostitutes of all races.
America isn't really any better than any other country. We just have the best propaganda that makes it seem like it is the very best. Name any issue and there's countless historical evidence that shows that we excelled at being evil about it.
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