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I assume your aware of what the Nephilim were. Genesis 6:1-22
“When man began to multiply on the face of the land and daughters were born to them, the sons of God saw that the daughters of man were attractive. And they took as their wives any they chose. Then the Lord said, “My Spirit shall not abide in man forever, for he is flesh: his days shall be 120 years.” The Nephilim were on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of man and they bore children to them. These were the mighty men who were of old, the men of renown. The Lord saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every intention of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. ...” Skeletons prove giants existence. These giants were the offspring of the fallen angels when they came to the psychical realm and conceived with daughters of men. These giants in other words were part demon “Fallen” there for they were “no longer human.” A trate all giants of that age and ages past shared was that they all had enlarged size and enlongted fore heads “Skull” Many of the ancient pharaohs of also had enlongated heads implying that they were not all human. Also for the record. If God’s people were in danger in the Bible it’s not uncommon to see God deliver them from the hands of the enemy.
You can't just dismiss biblical claims that contradict what you have claimed with more unevidenced claims, especially for absurd bizarre nonsense about people not being human without a shred of evidence to support the claim, that's just a desperate rationalisation. You also only addressed one part of my post, as if I won't notice you have ignored the rest. In the bible it claims your deity interferes with human free will all the time, every time christians claim their deity answers prayers that would be interfering with their free will as well, are you saying your deity never answers prayers?
"If God’s people were in danger in the Bible it’s not uncommon to see God deliver them from the hands of the enemy."
So much for not interfering then, so your claim was demonstrably false.
Wed, 04/25/2018 - 12:45 (Reply to #13)Permalink
Jesus freak "no where does scripture say God decides our actions."
"If God’s people were in danger in the Bible it’s not uncommon to see God deliver them from the hands of the enemy."
Hmm...which is it?
@Jesus freak: Many of the ancient pharaohs of also had enlongated heads implying that they were not all human
No. It suggests deformities exaggerated through in-breeding. You can see the same process in portraits of the Spanish Hapsburg royalty. They had huge overbites and massive chins. These characteristics were maintained and aggravated through marriage with close relations.
Giants are mostly the result of pituitary gland tumors. They get bigger and bigger until their skeletal structures and other organs start to fail. It's tragic but not magic.
"Many of the ancient pharaohs of also had enlongated heads implying that they were not all human."
You should really learn to research things you come across before making dubious claims like the pharaohs were not all human.
This is pure "Ripley's Believe It Or Not" stuff.
Plagiocephaly or head binding was a common practice in Ancient Egypt.
http://adc.bmj.com/content/86/3/144
It only demonstrates how very sadly human and stupid the Egyptians really were, subjecting their children to such practices.
Your bold ignorant statement does not enhance confidence in the validity of your other claims, re god or Jesus or giants.
Please supply references for these "giant bones" that 'prove' the existence of the Nephilim...(I do hope its not the usual photo shopped tripe that crops up on crank you tube vids.)
@Jesus Freak
Let's deal with the easy one first. The fact that well over 5 billion copies of the bible have been printed.
What percentage of those Bibles are ever opened? For many so-called Christians, a Bible is just a totem, a fetish. The Quran is even more so. If you actually read the Bible, remember it's a politically driven collection of books written by unknown authors, translated and re-translated.
The cosmological argument doesn't prove the existence of god. It tries to establish the existence of a first cause for the universe on the grounds that nothing can come from nothing. How can you use an uncaused prime mover as the basis for a proof based on causality? What does nothing mean? How do you get from a supposed primal cue ball to a personal being with all the complex attributes described in your theology?
Intelligent design? At one time lightning, volcanoes, and earthquakes were attributed to god's mysterious plan. Now we know better, and your intelligent design has dwindled down to microbial body parts and supposedly impossible sensory organs. It's an argument from ignorance. I don't know how the engine in my car works, so god must make the wheels go round.
The moral argument's a good one. Christianity has been a moral disaster for 2,000 years. Christianity was the justification for every tyrant king and bloody crusade, and every witch hunt, pogrom and holocaust. The Bible was the justification for the Atlantic slave trade. Christianity propped up Czarist Russia, a regime so awful that communism seemed like a good idea by comparison. The only moral good in Christianity is the Golden Rule, and that goes back at least as far as Buddha and Confucius. And how many Christians actually follow the Golden Rule anyway?
It is pretty obvious that if ANYONE has perfect knowledge of the future; you can't possibly have freewill.
If you find yourself at a fork in the road, and someone already knows you will turn left (before you were even born); you don't have a choice of turning right. You might mistakenly think you do, but clearly you do not.
People love Krishna and Spiderman. They aren't real either.
@Algebre
When Jesus died on the Cross it did not give man the right to kill or steal from others. If I went out and stole a pair of skates and got caught I would have to pay for it in what every way fit according to the law. God calls us to live a Godly live trusting in him. He didn’t not grant us liberty to kill. Even as Jesus was on the Cross he said “ Forgive them, they know not what they do”
@Jesus Freak: "When Jesus died on the Cross it did not give man the right to kill or steal from others."
Are you referring to the Ten Commandments? Aka the Laws of Moses? From the Old Testament?
@Jesus Freak: When Jesus died on the Cross it did not give man the right to kill or steal from others.
You've addressed this comment to me (it's "Algebe" actually), but it doesn't relate to any of my comments. I thought you wanted to talk about the bible, the cosmological argument, and morality, which I covered in my post. Why have you hared off into this non sequitur?
“ Forgive them, they know not what they do”
Where Christians are concerned (from Crusaders and slave traders to pedophile priests and the hate merchants of the Westboro Baptist Church), I won't forgive them for they knew exactly what they were doing.
@Nyarlathotep
I think that’s a cop out. No offense, even if God knows our every intent and our destiny the fact of the matter is we don’t. Which means you can strive to be your personal best. Whether you like to hear this next bit is where you need to differentiate between fate and your own personal laziness. Do you want to be a better person(not that you aren’t already I mean I don’t know you honestly) Or say “well I’m the way I am because of God.” Have you not been taught you are held accountable for your actions.
@ JF
At this point, you are down for the count on the freewill issue. You at least hinted at conceding that in your religion, God knows our destiny. So he creates us, already knowing who will be saved and who will not be. Our actions only follow his script whether we know it our not.
A God that creates people, knowing that he will damn them to eternal suffering, is the absolute most despicable being possible. Yet that is exactly the position you are forced to take in defense of your beliefs.
@Jesus Freak: No offense, even if God knows our every intent and our destiny the fact of the matter is we don’t.
So how do you reconcile predestination with free will? If god knows our destiny, nothing we do can change it. Christians talk about omnipotence and omniscience without thinking about the implications of these words. Do you just drop them in the "too hard" basket?
Of course! But I was taught that by people who don't believe [God] does know your every action even before you were born. In fact, I've never met a person who lives that way; even you! You speak in a way that indicates the future can be changed; while paying lip service to the idea that it is already known.
It takes some pretty serious indoctrination to not see this painfully obvious contradiction. You have been scammed so bad, that you can contradict yourself and not even see it when it is pointed out.
You ever seen a slaughterhouse? The animals are funneled down chutes to designated holding areas. The animals may believe they have a choice in their destination, but in the end, they wind up where others intended them to be. If you god knew which way I would turn there is no free will. At best the illusion.
I am in charge of my actions and future. I also find it becoming offensive that you are implying that atheists are lazy, could be better people, and do not strive to be their best.
I did not say that, that’s all I wanted to talk about. Instead I said change my mind.
@Jesus freak: I said change my mind.
I can't do that if you raise issues and then flap away like a butterfly to an unrelated topic when someone addresses them.
When Jesus died on the Cross, yes it is true that a killer can repent of his or her ways and be forgiven in the eyes of the Lord. Many of which most undoubtably did not repent and are suffering the consequences. Man on earth killed before Jesus came. Think of it like this for a sec, what would things be like if Jesus didn’t come. There would be no forgiveness and most all would be condemned to death. I can’t say I’m innocent personally. Jesus offered forgiveness of the heart so that the regular person could be saved same applies for those that lose there way.
If jesus had not died (actually he did not, he is presently enjoying a pina colada) then thousands of children would not have been anally raped by priests.
Pardon, I do not mean to flap away. It is just harder to get to the other ones simply because I’m a wee be slow on typing
I’m gonna try to give my opinion on the other ones I just gotta have a min
Ok ok, there’s a lot to reply to
@. Sheldon
When I said no where in scripture does it say God decides our actions. I meant in the context of fate. My statement it’s not uncommon for him to deliver his people from the enemy is tru
JF "When I said no where in scripture does it say God decides our actions. I meant in the context of fate. My statement it’s not uncommon for him to deliver his people from the enemy is tru"
Adding the word fate doesn't change the fact you are contradicting yourself. Either your deity does not interfere as you initially claimed, or he does interfere as you admitted when pressed with biblical text that claimed he interferes repeatedly.
What about prayer, does he answer those or not? What about prophesy does he make those come true or not? If the answer is yes to either of those the clearly your claim he doesn't interfere in the lives of humans was an ill thought out excuse to rationalise your earlier contradictory belief that a perfectly benevolent deity exists and has created a world with ubiquitous suffering.
I'm sorry Jesus Freak, but you need to wake up and smell the cognitive dissonance, your religious beliefs and claims are more full of holes than a colander. Religious apologists never tire of telling us no one can prove no deity exists. Well that may be an unfalsifiable claim, but the irrational and contradictory claim that a perfectly benevolent deity sits on it's hands cherry picking prayers to answer while billions die in misery anguish squalor and pain is demonstrably false.
pardon, my last comment was a bit late.
please excuse me but I'm going to have to resign from my original quest in here. I simply don't have all the correct replies to the statements. I have all of you have compelling stuff. I have definitely learned a few things. thank you all for your time.
Jesus Freak: Vin Diesel?
@Chimp3 Vin Diesel?
Yeah. Riddick never ran away.
@Jesus freak: "When I said no where in scripture does it say God decides our actions. I meant in the context of fate."
It is a contradiction to have an omnipotent and all knowing God who does not know your fate. Do you think you are surprising your god by making it to heaven? "He welcome, I really didn't think you were going to make it?" By virtue of the fact that God created you the way you are, he also creates all your actions. Either that or he is not as omnipotent and all knowing as you imagine. And if he is limited, he is not god.
" please excuse me but I'm going to have to resign from my original quest in here."
Oh dear. I think he ran away. Did he run away? Damn! I only just got here and he's already run away!
Fucking timezones! Fuck! Fuck! Fuck!
I never get a go on the chew toy. Never, never, never! * wanders away grumbling to self*
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