Do You Guys Have A Favorite Argument? What Is It?
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I always liked - God is an ass and unworthy of worship even if he is real.
The Flood of Noah Gen 7:23 20,000,00 People killed
Abraham's war to rescue Lot Gen 14:17-19 1,000 People killed
Sodom and Gomorrah Gen 19:24 2,000 People killed
Lot's wife Gen 19:26 1 Killed
While they were sore, Dinah's brethren slew all the males Gen 34:1-31, Judith 9:2-32 1,000 Killed
Er for being wicked in the sight of the Lord Gen 38:7 1 Killed
Onan for spilling his seed Gen 38:10 Killed
A seven year worldwide famine Gen 41:25-54 70,000 people killed.
There will be blood: The first plague of Egypt Ex 7:15-27 , Wis 11:7-8 10,000 Killed
The seventh plague: hail Ex 9:25 300,000 innocent victims killed.
Firstborn Egyptian children Ex 12:29-30 500,00 Dead children at the hand of God.
The Lord took off their chariot wheels Ex 14:8-26 600 5,000 dead
Amalekites Ex 17:13 1,000 Dead
Who is on the Lord's side?: Forcing friends and family to kill each other Ex 32:27-28 3,000 DEAD
Aaron's golden calf Ex 32:35 1,000 More dead, but God is a god of peace. Just ask a Muslim.
THIS LIST IS INSANELY LONG - I AM GETTING DEPRESSED JUST COPYING AND PASTING.
GOD KILLS 27 MILLION innocent men, women and children and those are just the ones we are able to count.
My best argument was unleashed on my mother after about a week of her telling me 'you just have to have faith' and it went something like this: "You know it's a con because you have to leave me out in the cold." to which she replied with a low, raspy, 'yep' and I responded with "But that's okay, leave me out in the cold, just don't pretend you know something I don't." To drive the point home however I had to add:
"And it's a perfect con, do you know why there isn't a line of people outside the church waiting to tell them that they are liars? Because they are dead"
My mother hasn't mentioned a deity since.
One of my favorites is Jonah 3:3 which informs us that Nineveh (the capital of the powerful Assyrian empire) was an exceedingly great city, three day's journey across! Based on old traveler's accounts that gives a city 60 miles in diameter. Holy jumping rats! That's bigger than Los Angeles. Fact: Archaeologists have shown that Nineveh was never more than about 3 miles in diameter. Several desperate attempts have been made to rationalize that ghastly problem, but I won't bore you with them. They are all huge stretches of the imagination.
Jonah is full of good stuff in addition to that whale of a tale.
Another favorite of mine is Jonah's trip to Nineveh where he converts all its people! That would be a little like some obscure preacher going to the old Soviet Union under Stalin and converting everyone overnight!! Of course, there are no recorded celebrations. It's hard to think of anything more perfectly absurd!
Then there's that little matter in Leviticus where God confuses mold and leprosy. You sense the confusion by noting the similarity of treatment, the near panic. The Hebrew word for "leprosy" (perhaps meaning corruption or some such thing since they were not into detailed classification of diseases) is used throughout even though many translations of the Bible use "mold" in places where that makes sense in modern-day thinking.
For sheer number of contradictions attached to one story, it's hard to beat Peter's denial of Jesus. Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John contradict themselves in numerous places. List their accounts side by side and you will see what I mean if you read them carefully.
Yet another favorite of mine is the completely different stories that Matthew and Luke come up with to get Mary to Bethlehem so that Jesus could be born there in fulfillment of some prophecy it seems. Normally the two copy from Mark, but Mark has nothing to say about Jesus' early life. So, Matthew and Luke have to scrounge around in the scriptures to fill in the blanks--and apparently they latched onto different passages on which their conflicting accounts might have been built. Hence, you get some rare insight into how the Gospels were actually written. Hint: they weren't eyewitness history!
Greensnake,
"They are all huge stretches of the imagination."
Just about every biblical story that involves numbers is bullshit. They have trouble adding 1 plus 1. The numbers in the Jewish Babylonian Talmud are even more ridiculous.
I have many.
WHAT WOULD YOU BE
if you were born THREE THOUSAND YEARS AGO
in the American Southwest into the culture known as
T H E A N A S A Z I
Would you be a Catholic? a Muslim? a Hindu? or a Baptist? Would you be a Christadelphianist? an Eckankarian? a Unificationist? or a Transcendentalist?
No. Those religions were invented many thousands of years later by people living on an entirely different continent. Their stories and psalms would not reach your location until long after you and your decendants had passed away. There would be no such thing as the above religions and no one to tell you otherwise.
Would you feel dismayed by your belief in shamanism and seek another?
No. This type of belief was held by all of the people that ever inhabited the prehistoric North American continent. It would be the only belief of your time and for hundreds of thousands of generations thereafter - well into the earlier part of the 20th century.
Would you or your children be able to tell if this belief in sorcery contained hints of false worship?
No. There would be no evidence found anywhere that points to this suggestion. Your ancient beliefs would be the correct belief to you and your decendants and would play an extremely important role in your lives. The religions mentioned above were not even invented yet, let alone published in a book and distributed for the world to see. It is impossible to deduce any particular religion by looking at the stars and the trees. It must be taught to you by others who were taught in much the same way.
Would you have a way of knowing if there was another religion that you should be practicing and worshipping?
No. It would be many thousands of years into your future before people from other continents arrived to convert you to their relatively modern belief system through oppression and persecution. Because of your timeline and location, you wouldn't have the slightest idea of the mythical tales of Adam and Eve, Jesus, Moses or Muhammad. Such legends were not yet invented and many of its icons were not even born yet.
Do you think that these Ancient Pueblos were born....
..... in the WRONG PLACE
...... at the WRONG TIME?
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