Death is proof that God exists

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Death is proof that God exists

Why is it that all humans die someday? Even the Christians say “Jesus” died, but not: “God” died. In the Bible, Mark 10:18 says only God is truly good. I can believe this because all humans die and God does not. Humans are beings. God is a being. One dies, the other doesn’t. If you’re honest with yourself, you’ll know you’re not really a good being. Otherwise, you’ll never die. It’s undeniable. Then it should be no surprise to know that humanity is on the verge of extinction; there’s a war between Good and evil behind the scenes. Goodness should have just deleted evil at the beginning, but strangely, evil has enough power to prevent its immediate death. This is why humanity STILL exists today. But by definition, good is stronger than evil; Goodness will win the war and finally vanquish humanity after striking ENOUGH killer blows to evil.

Now, how come humans don’t exist in a perfect abode like what you could call Heaven? A place where there is only peace, one is always strong and healthy, no hatred, no dishonesty, no filth etc.

You are what you create! God is only good and thus cannot create anything that isn’t good. It is known that existence is full of many infirmities and rubbish. Who created those? Definitely not God! This therefore means that humans are actually all the sin, evil, bad, wrong, flaws etc in existence. Yes, there is a human out there who embodies bad breath, initials: BB = Barry Borden, who embodies body odor, initials: BO = Benjamin Oliver, who embodies weakness, initials: WN = Winifred Newton etc.

Good is stronger than evil, therefore God cannot be limited and is already omnipotent and omniscient. He can do absolutely anything good, but there is no such thing as purifying humanity. Making a change to a being means changing identity. Purging humanity would mean deleting the old identity of sin, and somehow creating a new one of purity. That deletion means death. They call it sinner, but that sinner is actually a sin itself!

The fact that humans die means humanity is not good. Accept it. Therefore there’s a higher power ensuring that existence will one day be purified. Too bad no one here will be there!

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LogicFTW's picture
I made it about a paragraph,

I made it about a paragraph, then realized you are here to preach, not debate. I may still try to debate you, but realize we get a lot of what we call "hit and run" preachers here, where they write something (frequently copy and pasted) then never return.

If you do read this, know the regulars here have seen variations of this argument dozens of times already.

If you do reply I will reply back addressing your ...debate? in your original post.

SecularSonOfABiscuitEater's picture
"The fact that humans die

"The fact that humans die means humanity is not good. Accept it."

If we were created in god's image, the the fact is that god is not all powerful. Accept it.

Bob Lawson's picture
@Surprise Man

@Surprise Man

"The fact that humans die means humanity is not good. Accept it. Therefore there’s a higher power ensuring that existence will one day be purified. Too bad no one here will be there!"

I'll bite. That we should live forever, or that anything could live forever, strikes me as pie-in-the-sky thinking. Adam and Eve could acquire immortality only if they never reproduced, otherwise their progeny would overrun the planet. It seems to me that sex never occurred to the first couple until after they ate of the forbidden fruit. Only then did Adam realize Eve was naked. Obedience to Yahweh would have ensured that Earth forever remained empty of humans.

If I have erred, someone, please correct me.

SecularSonOfABiscuitEater's picture
It seems like god was playing

It seems like god was playing games while the devil (a talking snake ) told them the truth about the fruit and HES THE BAD GUY? instead of God? Very logical...

Sapporo's picture
@Surprise Man

@Surprise Man
You say that "God" cannot create something that isn't good, then claim that death is proof "God" exists, but you haven't explained how death is not possible without god existing.

Sheldon's picture
Start by demonstrating some

Start by demonstrating some objective evidence for any deity, a grandiose claim in your thread title, followed by a string of unevidenced, fallacious, and circular assertions, are best taken to a church pulpit, where the recipients are not looking for debate.

Have a nice day...

Tin-Man's picture
Re: OP

Re: OP

Oooooowwww!!!... *holding face with both hands*... *muffled voice*.... Suh-ahdy pease cahll ah mah-anic. I aink I juhs is-okay-id muh nose, ahn I'm preh-ee soor ere iss ah 'ent ehn muh horehead... *removing hands from face to check for leaking oil*... Aw, damn... *shaking head to clear the popping lights in vision*... Unexpected involuntary face-palms SUCK!... *grabs door frame to steady self*... Crap. May even have a concussion.... *groan*.... So glad I set down the meat cleaver before reading that.

xenoview's picture
I apply xenoview's razor to

I apply xenoview's razor to your claims of a god. If you make an objective claim, it requires objective evidence.

Sin is a human construct, designed to control how people think and live.

The gods humanity worship are human constructs.

Xenoview's razor
Objective claims requires objective evidence

dogalmighty's picture
Good and Evil battle for the

Good and Evil battle for the earth...IC. Well, if you believe in a god and the ludachrist doctrine and all that it spews...then believing that good (god) and evil (satan) exist, is not hard. But for people that do not fail at reason, the words good and evil, that are of religious origin, are just descriptive words that we use to describe altruistic and mean behaviours. They have no religious meaning at all. Logic tells us that proof is needed for a god, and there is none...and thus anything of religious origin, doesn't exist as well. Now, again, for the sake of you people that fail to use reason to differentiate truths, we don't live for ever for natural reasons...not supernatural ones. Lets talk about aging.

The strategy of multicellular organisms like us humans, due to evolutionary processes, use to move themselves into the future, is to create new cell colonies from a single undifferentiated cell, rather than maintaining existing colonies indefinitely. The main reason is that reproduction is more flexible than maintenance, and it provides a way of starting over with a “clean slate” and slightly different genes. Given that biology has selected this strategy, evolution has optimized for producing the most successful offspring. Once the individual has reproduced, its only evolutionary role is to support the success of its offspring. Aging longer is just not something evolution has had a reason to optimize. And in fact given limited environmental resources, the offspring often do better if the older generation doesn’t stay around forever competing with younger generations for scarce resources.

Now to the point...there are two main natural contributors to aging. First off, the accumulation of biological defects. Viruses and disease take a toll even after healing; UV rays slowly but inevitably damage DNA; and proteins, cell structure, and the neurons which hold memories all degrade over time due to thermodynamic molecular disruptions and invasions by other species. Secondly, is the aging process itself. An organism develops to maturity and ages in stages according to a genetically determined life plan. Muscles atrophy, bones become brittle, and metabolism changes. But the life plan has never run more than 80 years until recently, and evolution has only ever optimized the first 40 years or so. So, a research and reason based natural explanation of aging, trumps an unproven, irrational, supernatural one...infinitely so.

But, you are a theist I am assuming, so wilful ignorance is the norm...and not that hit and run theists are uncommon.

Grinseed's picture
Complicated topic well

Complicated topic well explained.
Thanks doG.

algebe's picture
@Surprise Man: BB = Barry

@Surprise Man: BB = Barry Borden, who embodies body odor, initials: BO = Benjamin Oliver, who embodies weakness, initials: WN = Winifred Newton etc.

What fun! A new version of the "Name Game." DT = Demagogic traitor = Donald Trump. BC = Blowjob connoisseur = Bill Clinton. TH = Toothy hypocrite = Ted Haggard.

But who the hell are Barry Borden, etc.?

gupsphoo's picture
@Surprise Man

@Surprise Man

"If you’re honest with yourself, you’ll know you’re not really a good being. Otherwise, you’ll never die."

What?

This has to be the most ridiculous statement I've heard in long time, even from a religious person.

Old man shouts at clouds's picture
@ The OP

@ The OP

Total, utter bollocks. That is all. Carry on.

Calilasseia's picture
I find it hilarious to see

I find it hilarious to see assertions that a mythological entity purportedly fashioned a "perfect creation", only to build into said "perfect creation" a self-destruct mechanism, in the form of two stool pigeons eating the wrong piece of magic fruit, then arranged for said self-destruct mechanism to be triggered.

Does anyone else find this tale farcical in the extreme?

Nyarlathotep's picture
Surprise Man - Yes, there is

Surprise Man - Yes, there is a human out there who embodies bad breath, initials: BB = Barry Borden, who embodies body odor, initials: BO = Benjamin Oliver, who embodies weakness, initials: WN = Winifred Newton etc.

All joking aside, we all need help from time to time; I think your time is now.

Alembé's picture
Hi SM (Sado-Masochist?)

Hi SM (Sado-Masochist?)

You say, "If you’re honest with yourself, you’ll know you’re not really a good being. Otherwise, you’ll never die."

Au contraire, Monsieur. I read the obituaries every day, and they almost universally state that the deceased was "a wonderful person." They almost never say that the person was a "mean, nasty" individual.

Therefore the data tend to suggest that only good people die. Ergo, the evil ones live for ever.

algebe's picture
@Alembé: Therefore the data

@Alembé: Therefore the data tend to suggest that only good people die.

Hence the old song:
"He freed a lot of people, but it seems the good they die young
Abraham, Martin, and John."

Sky Pilot's picture
Surprise Man,

Surprise Man,

If death didn't exist what would we eat, dirt? Humans exist by eating dead stuff. It is a very rare person indeed who ever eats anything that is living. Have you ever eaten anything that was alive? We live off of dead stuff.

Cognostic's picture
Surprise Man: Seriously?

Surprise Man: Seriously? What a run-on of complete nonsense.

1. Why do people die? Old age, disease, accidents, defects, murder, suicide.... and the rest. No secret here.

2. God is a being? Prove it. Beings have existence. Prove your version of God exists.

3. You are not a good being or you would never die. (Another completely absurd assertion. Please provide the evidence.)

4. Humanity is on the verge of extinction, and it is predicted that by the year 2o50 there will be 10 billion people on the planet. Someone is spouting nonsense.... "I think it is you,"

The inane assertions and wild ass conclusions of the OP lead one to think that he was home schooled and has simply stumbled across his neighbor's computer while on a sleepover. No one is really this idiotic.

arakish's picture
@ Surprise Man What? rmfr

@ Surprise Man

What?

rmfr

Far Canal's picture
What a dumb-shit christard

What a dumb-shit christard you are. I can't stop laughing at your post.

Given how imperfect life is, it is pretty clear to all but the most stupid that life here on Earth was not created by some sky fairy (AKA 'de lard') and that it evolved as a result of a happy coincidence. One only has to have some fleeting knowledge of DNA to realise this. Obviously, you are a 'home-skooled' christard who can't even spell DNA, let alone understand it.

Life on Earth eventually dies because evolution doesn't give rise to perfection.

Go back and re-take Biology 101, dumb-ass.

David Killens's picture
If there was ever proof that

If there was ever proof that religion can completely make people into absolute idiots, this OP is it. If someone ever questions what harm religion has done, there it is.

Sheldon's picture
I suspect we have yet another

I suspect we have yet another sock puppet troll on our hands if I'm honest.

SurpriseMan's picture
Reading through the comments,

Reading through the comments, this is certainly a land of atheists. People with strong beliefs, that’s fine, but there’s no need to be offensive. I’m here to inform you of some harsh truths. At least, I don’t think anyone called me a liar.

If we’re being frank here, would a truly good being ever have a filthy rotten corpse? Why would a truly good being ever die? A truly good being is supposed to be magical, extraordinary, supernatural etc.

Humans are clearly limited and can only do so much. A truly good being would have ultimate power and ability; not limited in any way. Considering power and ability, which is superior? Right or wrong? Good or evil? According to how things in existence work, good and right are superior to evil and wrong. This explains why Good is able to vanquish evil. You think Good God can be killed by anything? Nope. Humans have an end because they’re not good. Harsh truth. The reason why humanity still exists and hasn’t been ultimately deleted (inevitable final death) is because killing off evil is like cooking a meal; it’s only ready after sometime with the fire and not immediately. Should be simple to understand.

David Killens's picture
Unfortunately Surprise Man,

Unfortunately Surprise Man, your first impression in the OP was a long-winded assertion that had nothing to back it up. Yes, you have your own personal ideas, and you have the right to embrace them. But when you attempt to sell those ideas to others, you better have something to back it up. And please remember, we atheists do not consider the bible as anything valid. So if you reference the bible to support your assertions, they will not pass the muster.

So how about we attempt a reset, and work on the first assertion, that "A truly good being is supposed to be magical, extraordinary, supernatural"

Please define "a truly good being".

One step at a time, let us explore each assertion one step at a time. Prove one assertion, then prove the next.

Tin-Man's picture
@Surprise Man Re: "Reading

@Surprise Man Re: "Reading through the comments, this is certainly a land of atheists."

Errr-uhhh.... And I suppose the title of this site, "ATHEIST Republic" was not a good enough indicator for you?.... *perplexed look*.... Gee... THERE'S a surprise, man.... *rolling eyes*....

gupsphoo's picture
@Surprise Man

@Surprise Man

Surprise Man : "At least, I don’t think anyone called me a liar."

Of course not.

The purpose of lying is to fool people. You were obviously not trying to lie with your OP.

You're just delusional.

arakish's picture
@ Surprise Man

@ Surprise Man

You want harsh truths?

• Religion is Pure Evil.
• I have never seen evidence of any deities, but plenty of evidence of religion's harm.
• Religious Absolutists are the biggest bigots on Earth.
• Prove a Good God even exists.

Why would a truly good being ever die?

Because you have brainwashed religitards that believe in a human-created make-believe sky faerie.

A truly good being is supposed to be magical, extraordinary, supernatural etc.

Do you have any OBJECTIVE HARD EMPIRICAL EVIDENCE to prove this preposterous assertion?

According to how things in existence work, good and right are superior to evil and wrong. This explains why Good is able to vanquish evil.

If so, then why does evil exist? If your human-created make-believe sky faerie is so powerful, then why can't it just wipe out us evil humans?

You think Good God can be killed by anything? Nope.

Atheism does a fine job of doing so. I do not believe any of the preposterous claims you are making. Thus, I have killed your "Good God."

OBJECTIVE HARD EMPIRICAL EVIDENCE.

Onus probandi incumbit ei qui dicit non ei qui negat.

Humans have an end because they’re not good. Harsh truth.

Actually that is an absolute lie.

The reason why humanity still exists and hasn’t been ultimately deleted (inevitable final death) is because killing off evil is like cooking a meal; it’s only ready after sometime with the fire and not immediately. Should be simple to understand.

More absolute lies.

You, my friend, are a Religious Absolutist.

Religious Absolutist – anyone belonging to and possessing an inexorable belief in any religion, due to their absolutist beliefs, and is truly applicable to any inexorable religious believers, especially the worst subset, Apologists.

And these points are all I need to prove religion is Pure Evil.

  • ANY ideology that cannot suffer criticism is inherently evil.
  • ANY ideology that resorts to mental rape, emotional molestation, and psychological terrorism is inherently evil.
  • ANY ideology that supports the eternal damnation and torment of non-believers is inherently evil.
  • ANY ideology that presupposes its believers are superior to all others is inherently evil.
  • ANY ideology that protects its members from criminal prosecution is inherently evil.
  • ANY ideology that supports the demoralization and bigoted hatred of others is inherently evil.
  • ANY ideology that states we are to obey and believe as we are told is inherently evil.
  • ANY ideology psychologically terrorizes its children by telling they are born evil/sinful, born of evil/sin, born into evil/sin, born from evil/sin, and must have an imaginative Sky Faerie and Magic Zombie Virgin to save them is inherently evil.

rmfr

Far Canal's picture
suprise man - Yet more

suprise man - Yet more unsupported ravings from some random, full of shit, christard. I've confronted hundreds, if not thousands, of you christards with FACTS and LOGIC. All they are capable of doing is telling me what the babble says. Mainly, it doesn't say anything on the matter or they misquote it for their own ends. When I point this out, they begin threatening me with the 'vengeance of 'de lard''. When asked to leave and I refuse, they resort to calling the police who point out that I have as much right to be in a public space as they have. In the end, they leave.

christards are nothing more than brain-washed, poorly educated idiots who want to believe in something greater than mankind and that there is an afterlife where everything is wonderful for those that believe in 'de lard' and a hell for those that don't..

Well, christards, get used to it. There is no 'de lard' nor is there an afterlife. This is all there is. Get used to it.

arakish's picture
@ Far Canal

@ Far Canal

Welcome! And that is one hell of a first post (first one I saw). Loved it! C'mon in and join us. The temperature is a balmy 15,837°C. Ask any theist. Peruse the boards and dive right in. Remember though, it is "at your own risk" since we have no lifeguards. We had to fire Tin-Man since he tended to sink to the bottom. But you should be alright, especially after this post.

rmfr

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