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Leper, you wrote, “No, I don't want to learn about atheism. It doesn't interest me. I just like to discuss religion.”
Then wtf are you doing on at the ATHEIST Republic? If you want to discuss religion, shouldn’t you be at a site that represents religion?
Maybe you’re just here to troll the cute little atheists....
@CyberLN
Like I said, I want to discuss religion. There's no rule against me. Besides, religious forums are full of atheists. Unless you're thinking of telling them to leave you ought not plan on applying that the other way around.
@ Leper
Have you read the Torah? The Pentateuch and the Qu'ran? Full of commands to kill, on the basis of race, pronunciation, or different gods. Educate yourself.
Then, have you read replies from Royism, Hulk, Jo, JOC on these forums? All fiercely religious, all weakly attempting to justify those passages in their books that command each and every crime against humanity that I listed? All their defences destroyed and their hypocrisy exposed?
Now I know you are trolling.
@Old man
No evidence then? What a surprise. Welcome to my new thread btw. You can go into details on that evidence there regarding the rape part.
@ Leper
Ah, fuck it. I didn't want to go through all this yet again with another religious denialist but, well, you asked for it:
Here's references from the Pentateuch: Note this is just one section of indictable crimes against humanity, but I don't want to take up too much space on the thread, or in your head.
Ethnic Cleanser - the mass expulsion or killing of members of an unwanted ethnic or religious group in a society. The systematic forced removal of ethnic or religious groups from a given territory by a more powerful ethnic group, often with the intent of making it ethnically homogeneous.
Numbers 33:52–53
1 Samuel 15:3
Deuteronomy 7:1–2
Deuteronomy 12:2–3
Numbers 33:50–53
Exodus 34:11–13
Exodus 23:23–24,33
Deuteronomy 7:21–25
Nehemiah 13:1–3
Numbers 21:2–3
Joshua 11:21–22
Numbers 31:9–10
Jeremiah 49:2
Joshua 8:28
Deuteronomy 13:12–16
Ezekiel 6:13–14
Leviticus 26:30–31
Judges 2:2
2 Chronicles 14:2–5
2 Chronicles 34:1–7
Isaiah 34:5–7
Lamentations 2:17–22
Exodus 32:27–29
2 Chronicles 28:9
Deuteronomy 17:12
Exodus 21:15
Leviticus 20:10
2 Chronicles 15:13
Leviticus 21:9
Deuteronomy 18:20
Numbers 1:51
Exodus 22:20
Leviticus 26:21–22
Deuteronomy 22:20–21
Leviticus 24:13–16
2 Kings 19:35
Esther 9:5–6
Deuteronomy 13:12–16
Esther 9:13–17
1 Kings 18:39–40
Jeremiah 50:18–27
Ezekiel 35:7–8
Ezekiel 9:4–6
Hosea 13:4–9
Ezekiel 5:11–16
Numbers 25:4–5
Jeremiah 51:20–23
@Leper Re: To Old Man - "I don't think polite is the word you should claim to understand. I believe so having read the text on the debates page about being respectful to other posters and you having clearly failed at it."
Obviously, you are totally oblivious to the irony overload of that statement you made. You stroll up in here under the false guise of being female in a putrid and nauseating attempt to justify forced prostitution and the raping of women and children within a religion that is very likely not even your true belief. That alone causes your very presence to smack of insult and disrespect not only to atheists, but to humanity as a whole. As if that were not enough, you have also made it a habit of issuing subtle little cloaked insults along the way, while all the while feigning an air of polite courtesy that hardly conceals your demeanor of arrogant superiority. Yet, you have the audacity to call others "impolite and disrespectful" and then take "offense" when those of superior intellect and FAR higher standards of personal ethics call you out on your bullshit behavior?.... *trying to control urge to laugh*.... Well, okie-dokie. Alrighty then... Oh, by the way, you owe me a new Irony Meter. Damn impressive, though, because the one you just fucked up was a super industrial strength model... *shaking head in disbelief*...
@ Tin Man
I will modify a new Irony Meter for you. They just are not strong enough to withstand the quality and frequency of the irony from this latest lot of trolls...
The one I send will be Super Duper WOW! Industrial quality with 14 backup systems and is designed to sort through several pages of bullshit in 0.00014 seconds per tonne, so it shouldn't take more than 10 minutes to go through one of Leper's posts for instance. It also has an emergency Auto Overload Cut Out should Hulk or Royism keep posting their mass tonnage of sewage and spite, in addition you have a manual switch just in case (JIC mode). It will plug into any one of your sockets, I suggest the butt plug as the amount of methane you emit will help the self cleaning mode when bullshit from theists is present.
Hope it keeps you and yours safe my friend! Keep on clanking!
@ xenoview
Could someone who did not beleive in God produce objective evidence that can be tested?
Would all they have be subjective evidence from their mind that God is not real?
Is anyone surprised to find a theist claiming what comes out of their mind is objective, but suggesting what comes out of a non-believer's is subjective?
@ Nyarlathotep
Good point.
Would you say that everything that comes out of anyone's mind about God is subjective?
I don't know. But presumably there isn't anything we can learn about god empirically; which is probably why so much of what we hear about god is subjective, and often contradictory. That is what tends to happen when you make shit up.
@ Nyarlathotep
I agree.
Does your statements apply to everyone?
We should be very careful when we use the word every. I can think of trivial exceptions, so I won't agree to either statement. For example:
Bob says: God is love. This seems subjective.
Alice says: Bob told me "God is love". That is not subjective, it is (presumably) an empirically verifiable fact.
@ Nyarlathotep
Maybe I can say it better.
If Jo says he beleives God exists and gives the reasons why he made that conclusion.
Jo's conclusion is subjective.
If Jo says he beleives God does not exists and gives the reasons why he made that conclusion.
Jo's conclusion is subjective.
Do you agree both conclusions are subjective?
Without hearing them; I'd wager they are subjective.
@ Nyarlathotep
I agree.
@Jo
OK, great.
But are you abandoning your previous claim of objectivity?
@ Nyarlathotep
As usual, I could have said it better.
I try to be as objective as possible when arriving at my subjective conclusions.
I try to set emotion, bias, and wishful thinking, is what I mean,
I try to be logical, open minded, and as informed as possible.
But ultimately whatever one beleives, concludes, or is convinced of on the subject, is subjective.
Fuck me, that's hilarious. I'd dearly love to believe he was being deliberately ironic, bless him.
Oh fuck me sideways. You simply must be kidding right?
You use known logical fallacies in almost every fucking post, sometimes more than one? You have relentlessly used argumentum ad ignorantiam literally in every thread you have posted?
Try and understand Jo, that logic is a method of reasoning "that adheres to strict principles of validation. Since one of the fundamental principles of logic is that nothing can be asserted as rational if it contains a known logical fallacy, and you use common logical fallacies with depressing alacrity, how the fuck does your addled thought process equate that with your claim to try to be logical? That's just a shocking lie, Jo.
Dear oh dear, you make zero attempt to think logically, you are told again and again why your posts are irrational and the known logical fallacies are shown to you, yet you post the same claims and arguments over and over and over again?
Liar liar pants on fire is the only apropos response to such a blatantly dishonest claim.
Rubbish Jo, you're talking complete nonsense. One can say in light of all unfalsifiable claims that one does not and cannot know anything about their validity. One can also say, as epistemology demands, that it is imbecillic to believe a claim when one has admitted they can know nothing about its validity.
Now is there any chance you will show a shred of integrity here Jo, and acknowledge any of those facts? Are you even capable of understanding them?
@ Sheldon
Now, you are joking right Sheldon? After over 100 posts this reply is sarcasm?
You know that Jo's real job is a post hole driller?
When you told us your conclusion was objective; was that a true statement?
If you told me you ran to the store and I found video of you walking to the store, I'd agree you phrased it badly. But if you told me your car was white and then later you told me it was black, I'd say you have a problem that is more serious than just phrasing. And the same goes for you telling me something is objective, just to have you tell me later it was subjective.
Jesus wept Jo, you are relentless. Look at Nyarl's last sentence and try and understand what he's trying say.
Statements about fictional concepts tend to be subject by their very nature. Can you offer an objective assertion about invisible unicorns Jo? How do you think it looks when you refuse to address even once my example of an unfalsifiable claim using the very same arguments you keep repeating for a deity Jo. Do you think it makes your posts appear objective, open minded and honest?
I can give you another clue here Jo...
@Jo
I don't have to provide objective evidence there is no god or gods. I have never been shown objective evidence by a theist that any god is real. So what objective evidence do you have your god is real?
Jesus wept Jo, how many times are you going to use this argumentum ad ignorantiam fallacy?
Ill try and dumb it down for you with a touch of irony. What objective evidence can you demonstrate that invisible unicorns aren't real? Or is all you have subjective evidence in your mind that invisible unicorns are not real?
Now I've re-used your identical argument but substituted invisible unicorns in place of a deity. Please explain to me why this is not a compelling argument for invisible unicorns?
Fuck me, I once thought I'd make a half decent primary school teacher, but my complete failure to make Jo and Leper understand what it means for any argument or assertion that contains a known logical fallacy has shattered that illusion.
With the caveat I think that primary school children are far more honest and open minded than Jo and Leper of course.
Lightening the mood for a moment, and returning to the thread OP. It's time for another Hitchens quote...
"Believers were all once polytheists and pagans, who believed in multiple deities. Now they are nearly all monotheists who believe in only one deity... They're getting closer to the real number all the time.."
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