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@ billy zarcone
And going on the FACTS — Formulated Accurately Codified Truth in Science, that ANY deity is a human construct and versus your FAITH — Falsehoods Assumptions Innuendos Treachery and Hogwash, here is a quote from a famous author.
"Men rarely, if ever, manage to dream up a God superior to themselves. Most Gods have the manners and morals of a spoiled brat." — Robert A. Heinlein
rmfr
Still NOBODY that has responded to my post has addressed the question to my satisfaction what happened to jesus body. And also what about the so called miracles of his. can you give an explanation of these suppositions?
@ Billy
The resurrection never took place Billy. Outside the gospels there is no mention of such an event, or such a person as your Jesus, so it is very unlikely that it occurred. No Jesus, no crucifixion, no resurrection = no mystery.
The "miracles" only appear in the gospels, there is no contemporary independent evidence for the Jesus you worship. None. So, no miracles. Claro?
YOU ARE A LIAR - I specifically addressed your question.
If you want to know what happened to the body of Jesus, once again you have to tell us which Jesus you believe in. There are 4 mentioned in the new testament and a few others outside of it. Paul's Jesus did not have a body so that is an easy one. Different things happened to the different bodies of Jesus.
What miracles? You need to cite the specific miracle and any evidence you have for it if you want a response.
You are correct! They are all "SUPPOSITIONS." until you give us some facts and evidence.
Orville Redenbacher's "Movie Theater Butter" or "Cheddar Cheese"? Time to breakout the popcorn.
@David
Movie Theater Butter, please.
Movie Theater Butter. It's less messy.
rmfr
i`m speaking about the jesus of nazareth who had 12 disciples and lived between 4 B.C. and 30 AD the jesus conveyed in the NEW TESTAMENT kING James version NIV New American stantard ESV etc etcPaul believed in the resurrection of jesus from the tomb onward.As for miracles how about raising Lazarus from death after 4 days. How about healing blind bartameus icould site you over at least 30 more shall I?
You do understand that in my opinion the bible is a work of fiction and I do not believe it?
I am open to being convinced, but you must provide empirical proof outside of the bible.
@ billy/fig
The bible is the CLAIM. Provide independent contemporary third party evidence...no, you cant. Claim denied.
*still laughing over the H2O post*
billy zarcone,
"As for miracles how about raising Lazarus from death after 4 days. How about healing blind bartameus icould site you over at least 30 more shall I?"
The Bible says that people should not believe in Jewish fairy tales. Why do you continue to believe in Jewish fairy tales?
No idea what you are talking about. How do you know there was a Jesus of Nazareth who had 12 disciples who lived between 4BC and AD 30. (Don't you mean 1BC and AD33.) That makes no sense at all. "Supposed birth of Jesus, in the Christian religion, was conceived 25 March and born on 25 December, as assigned by Dionysius Exiguus in his anno Domini era; according to most scholars, , Dionysius used the word "incarnation", but it is not known whether he meant conception or birth. However, at least one scholar thinks Dionysius placed the incarnation of Jesus in the next year, AD 1. Most modern scholars do not consider Dionysius' calculations authoritative, themselves placing the event several years earlier (see Chronology of Jesus)."
GOING TO CHRONOLOGY OF JESUS:
The date of birth of Jesus of Nazareth is not stated in the gospels or in any secular text. So where have you come up with this guy at 4 BC? Is he different from the guy at 2BC or 6BC? We really need to know the date of his birth so we can figure out which Jesus you are talking about. Apparently the historical evidence is too incomplete to allow any sort of accurate dating.
So.... we are talking about some guy born between 1 and 6 BC. We are not off to a very good start but okay. You mention the Jesus in the King James Version? Okay, which book. Paul, Matthew, Mark, Luke and John all have different versions of Jesus with different birth stories, the ones that were born, and life stories that vary with and different personalities.
Raising Lazarus from the dead. Cool. Sounds like a great miracle. Do you have any actual evidence that it happened? Obviously we are in the Gospel of John here. This is one of the most fantastic miracles ever told; unfortunately, Matthew, Mark and Luke, writing much earlier than the writer of John, somehow know nothing at all about it. NOTHING. Hmmmm smells like a big fish story to me.
Interestingly, Jesus knew that Lazarus was sick because he received a message from Lazarus’ sister but chooses to let him die anyway. This smacks of Religious Evangelic con-artistry; Jesus pulls this stupendous stunt to boost his own reputation and get people to believe! John makes this explicit in verses 14-15: “Then Jesus told them plainly, ‘Lazarus is dead. For your sake I am glad I was not there, so that you may believe. But let us go to him.’” What a dick. You want to call this a miracle? Really? It looks more like a circus side show act from an evangelical minister conning his way through the bible belt. Jesus is a complete dick and allows Lazarus to die so he can show off. (I don't see the miracle here.) You got any facts to support your miracle idea besides a Bible passage?
,Before we even go to the healing of Bartameus, we gotta figure out which Jesus you are talking about. Please pick one and get back to me.
W ell for jesus birth the prophecy of the Prophet Micah states in chapter 5 v2 that he would be born in Bethlehem, During the reign of king herods son king agrippa. And history records when he so regined and when and how he died.Experts place the time period around 4 BC. My Lord was not in the fable telling business concerning John chapter 8 jesus wanted to increase peoples faith in him And God. The was no ulterior motive here or agenda. jesus wind up raising as far as we know at least 3 other people from deaths door. The daughter of Jairus was raised read the book of Mark and so was the widow of Cains son raised. So there are attested miracle raising from death here.there is only one jesus known as savior who died for humanities sins agt that is he from nazareth.why you get confused is because you don`t know your own bible.
@Billy
Au contraire, my deluded friend. Most of us not only know the bible, the Koran and other writings, we know our history as well.
The bible is the claim, it cannot evidence itself, especially when it has different stories about the same events. Two different tales of the nativity, two different stories for after the birth, come on billy fig ab cd....your particular fantasies must be tired by now. We have travelled this route before.
well as far as i`m concerned there truths in parchments given to us from men of GOD, SO what some of the detais are different what do you expect from 2 human beings the same line for line translation. it states distinctly that mary gave birth to jesus christ. So tell me what are you having troulble with here? Jesus birth is a fact. the only history that you know is books and articles written concerning those time periods. no video or anything of that nature.Prophecies fulfilled like micah chapter 5 verse 2 and isaiah chapters 52 and 53 and zechariah 12 talking about one being peierced and i could site more for you concerning the Messiah.Even Atheist bart ehrman confesses to jesus christ being a real person and having a brother James who will eventually lead the jersulam church.And he is considered a top expert in the world on bible inerrancy.
@ Billy
Billy, Billy your confidence is only exceeded by your ignorance. No "parchments" from the time of your jesus exist. The earliest fragment of Mark is dated to 150CE, the earliest fragment of ANY gospel dated to (at the earliest) 125CE that's about 100 years after the events were meant to have happened.
Prophecies are easy to fulfil when you can read them and then write your story later.
The Census never happened as described in the gospels, if you refer to the actual census recorded, then Herod had been dead for years...
They are all stories in the bible. I say again. Billy, as you are either deaf or stupid. The Bible is NOT evidence. it is the claim.
Bart Ehrman bases his idea on "probability" and heavily qualifies his argument. Many historians disagree with him.
Billy, produce ONE document or evidence from the times of Jesus that bear out the account in any of the gospels and I might take you seriously. As it is you are regurgitating Sunday School garbage.
Well, I am not using the census started from Syria when Quirinius was governor. the bible is clear about Herod and his sons, and the tyrant that he was and how he had members of his own family put to death.jeus was born into the world during Herod's reign. supporting my reasoning for Jesus existing. History has shown that Herod existed so naturally, Jesus was born it is history The recent scholarship of scholars says that Jesus existed. And they use Herod as an example for there conclusions on the matter.
And true history has shown there never was a census.
rmfr
@ Billy
So there was not a census? Which bits of the stories are true, and which are not?
@ billy zarcone
You Christians claim the writing of the Bible was “inspired by the Holy Ghost” because the Bible says so. This is the Circular Logic Fallacy. “The Bible is the word of god because the Bible says it is the word of god.” Can you not see the fallacy in that claim? Using that same claim, I can say that Harry Potter is real because those seven books says he is real. No book can be its own source of validity. It does not work that way. The validity of anything can only be proven by sources other than itself.
Regardless of how much you wish it to be true, the Bible can never be used to prove itself valid.
Thus, the Bible is invalid.
rmfr
I get it. A whole lot of people said a whole lot of shit. They said the same shit about Apoloneous, Cezar, Inana, Horus, and more.... What evidence do you have for the existence of this thing you are calling Jesus?
@billy
What objective evidence do you have outside of your bible? I have to apply xenoview's razor.
Objective claims requires objective evidence.
@ billy zarcone
And you changed to:
Typical Religious Absolutist tactic: Change the subject when you do not like the responses to the original question.
rmfr
"Well I would like to know and maybe somebody can explain to me why fellow Atheist are so dogmatically convinced that there is no GOD. or that the Christian god is so impossible"
I'd like to know how you claim to know atheists you've never met or spoken to make these claims? I certainly don't. I disbelieve the claim A deity or deities exist because no one has demonstrated any objective evidence for the claim. I make no claims about the possibility of deities as I have no objective point of reference, nor does anyone else, and yes this includes theists and deists.
"please site me your reasoning for making such a bold proclamation "There can`t be any god". "
Cite, not site, I'm not placing my reasoning in a set location. That's not atheism, and your claim to be a "fellow atheist" is starting to look very suspicious in the light of you posting fairly erroneous theological cliches about atheism and atheists.
FYI I have never and probably will never make such an unnecessary proclamation, probably because understand or at least have a tenuous grasp of philosophical epistemology.
"is it an emotional reply is it interlectural in nature.is it out of HATE? Please address these questions in a calm way."
I never made the claim so those questions are redundant. I don't believe claims that are not objectively evidenced. Since this is true of all deities I am by definition an atheist. I make no claims to knowledge about any deities unless empirical claims are made that can be empirically refuted.
An example for you, I don't know Jesus wasn't superhuman deity in human form, but without objective evidence he was I don't believe the claim. However I am happy to claim the global flood described in the Noah myth never happened as all the geological, physical and intellectual evidence refutes this risible story.
Can you please say what your opinion is on the absence of Jesus Body also On his miracles most scholars today cite that Jesus existed. Most scientists say that it looks like the universe is designed, How about objective moral values, they do exist. I don`t carry them out because I only like to do good, but I do good because God says so. he has given the ten commandments and Jesus has given the sermon on the mount Matthew chapters 5 to 7.this comes from something, not my doing but from outside me. so, therefore, it is objective.
Can you provide evidence that Jesus' body ever existed?
What do you mean by "most scholars"? Please provide your sources.
Believing that Jesus existed has no relevancy to whether or not he performed miracles.
What do you mean by "most scientists"? Please provide your sources.
You have just revealed that you don't do good for its own sake, but only because you believe "God says so". The god of the bible engaged in killing and torture, so did not even follows its own rules. Unless you are omniscient, you cannot plausibly claim to be following objective morality.
@billy
I have to apply xenoview's razor to your objective claims. What objective evidence do you have outside of your bible?
All you have is subjective evidence from your mind, or the mind of other people telling you Jesus was real.
Jesus had 2 natures when he lived here on earth a human nature and a divine nature.
You are right about 2 natures, but got the natures wrong. He was rebel rouser and a leader of gang of thugs and prostitutes.
rmfr
FYI unless they tell you otherwise, atheists are not convinced, they are *by definition unconvinced.
It's absurd to talk about the absence of belief as being convinced, or as a contrary belief.
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