No religion will not destroy our specie, religion is a tool to control the masses, it is the people in command that are using this tool that can decide to destroy this species.
Though that is surly not their intention, so the probability is that, the end of days won't come because of religion.

"we have a long way to go before the world can triumph over religiosity"
I disagree, people are moving away from the dogma every new generation. This is a statistical fact.

We just need to legalize some things.

The main driving force of religion, is the brainwashing of innocent children by their parents/church when they are not mature enough to even understand the theology and must accept it by force since they trust their parents.

This may look like a complex subject, but in reality it is very simple.

Do we teach our kids how to kill or that it is a good thing to kill people?
Does society or the law allow us to teach kids how to kill people or that it is good to do so?

The answer is NO.

So the law does interfere when the parents teach dangerous things to their kids.

Why don't we give nuclear bomb triggers to kids?
The kids are not mature enough to understand the responsibility they have.

The main issue here is that the kids are not mature enough to understand why they should or should not kill people.

So once we realize that we should come up with laws that prohibit parents to teach potentially harmful theologies to kids that are not mature enough to fully comprehend the theology at hand, then and only then religion will become extinct.

You can ask any priest:
Why don't you teach the religion to grown ups and people that are mature enough to understand what you are talking about?
Why do you have to indoctrinate innocent children into a complex theology that they themselves don't really fully comprehend?

Isn't it better to have people that willingly join the church rather then a bunch of kids which are forced to join?

They won't answer those question in a mature sens.

The answer is simple, kids are much easier to bend to your will regardless if you are preaching nonsense or not.

say that a meteorite kills us all in an instant?

what is your point?

"The problem is that laws recognize religions as good things."
disagree, laws do not recognize religions as good things, the people do.
And as i said before, every new generation is going away from the dogama and those laws will be implemented eventually.

Just like Gay rights which was absurd to even think about by leaders a 100 or so years ago.
Today it has become obvious.

Mark my words, sooner or later religion will be seen as a force of evil by most people.
It might take a few generations to get rid of the old stupid people, but we will get there.

Just like science:
"An important scientific innovation rarely makes its way by gradually winning over and converting its opponents. What does happen is that its opponents gradually die out, and that the growing generation is familiarized with the ideas from the beginning. "
— Max Planck

Danny, the TZM needs to be more clear on what the hell it is about.

I have read paragraphs to try to understand what the hell it is about and still have little to no idea.

Could you make it clear in 1 sentence what is their objective.

I'm sorry to say that even an unbiased person like me, have given up hope in understanding what TZM is, even after reading your topic about it.

If you want to raise awareness you are doing a poor job m8.

The way to present stuff to people is the most important thing, sometimes even then the stuff itself.

How do you think corrupt politicians get elected then? :P

"I have said the best way to fully understand it would be to read the book"
Asking people to read a book is not considered as the best way to raise awareness.
That was my point.

"(which you should be talking about on there)" You mentioned it here though, i just replied to it.
"was to encourage education on TZM and share thoughts and opinions on it"
Advertising is good but one needs to know what to advertise.
Pick some good points from the book that might be attractive or creates curiosity and advertise those.

"The Zeitgeist Movement is an organization that urges change in the dominant intellectual, moral and cultural climate of the time." Do you not understand that?"
People resist change by nature, you need to come up with something stronger and more interesting then that to say.
I know that change is needed though my experience but the average person is usually comfortable with what he knows that works(even if it has flaws).
Your main advertising objective is not to grab people like me but the average person.

I'm just trying to help you here.

I don't think yo are a fool, and I'm not commenting on TZM but on your way of advertising it. It really pushes me away from it.
And if it pushed me away, I can assume it does to most uninformed people.

I agree with your reasoning but advertising is not your strongest suite in my opinion.
I might be wrong but that is how i feel every time you say; "read the TZM book".
You appear to me no different then any other charlatan that wants to sell books.

Now I know that you are not like that(from other posts you make) but i'm just giving you a hint of where you can improve.
Now you can take my suggestion and improve on it or you can take it personally and attack my position.

this was my suggestion:
"Advertising is good but one needs to know what to advertise.
Pick some good points from the book that might be attractive or creates curiosity and advertise those."

I will add:

If you had a YouTube video(short) that explains TMZ in a few minutes it might help a bunch too.
Then you just link that, and let that video say (read the book).
First impression is what counts most.

"You appear to me no different then any other charlatan that wants to sell books."
That is how you appear, not how you are.
I'm sorry if you took it as an insult, but that is the harsh truth which i stand by it.
And yes i don't judge a book by it's cover, that is why i bothered to point out your problem since I know that you are not a charlatan.
People that have an agenda(sometimes money but not always) advertise thing the way you did to sell books.
Now the average people will not take the time and check the book after seeing the cover, if they don't like the cover they just walk away.
You must understand this vital point, if you want your message to get through.

I'm happy that you provided a You Tube link.

If i had to give an example of how to advertise(increasing awareness):

If you understand that there is something wrong with society;(good point)
If you feel that society is not fair;(good point)
If you think that corruption is a problem;(good point)

Here is a solution to that problem:
Creating a resource based economy instead of a profit making one. (one sentence)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5YXAvdYhhWc (quick explanation)

This can be even shorter and is much better then:
Check out TMZ and the best way to fully understand it is to read the book.

Initially I was just frustrated to see that you are pushing a good argument the wrong way, and I was just frustrated in my first comment, since I have seen like 3 or 4 of your posts about TMZ(in other topics) in the same manner.
BTW I support TMZ since its the beginning of what I wish the society was.
This argument was not about TMZ but how to advertise it though.

I don't know if you were drunk or just tired, but nearly nothing in your last post makes logical sens to me.
Your previous posts were much more intellectual and less aggressive, it seems this conversation is not helping you as much as I expected.

Lets start with the wrong conclusions of your understanding of my replies:
"I APPEAR no different from any other charlatan is COMPARING me to one"
"I might be wrong but that is how i feel every time you say; "read the TZM book"." = every time You say that phrase you appear like a charlatan because that it what charlatans do every time to sell a book.
I am not comparing you to a charlatan but when you say that phrase you appear like one.
They are not the same thing.
When I eat chicken, I eat it with my hands like a barbarian. It doesn't mean that I eat like a barbarian.(btw barbarians were less barbarians then Romans lol)

"Everyone already understands there is something wrong with society
Everyone already knows our society is not fair"

This is the basis of advertising, which it seems you miss, you cannot teach a baby how to run before you teach him how to walk.
You start with the basics that everybody knows.
Grab their attention with problems they SEE(even if they are not the real problem, it doesn't matter)
Explanation comes later, first you need to rise the interest needed in the subject.

"Most people see corruption as a problem, but don't realize that corruption is the foundation of the system"
I agree and it confirms that you know that most people don't know this.
Because it is not known so well by the average person is the reason why it is not good for advertising it or garbing people attention.
It is a conclusion/claim that comes after, maybe at the end of the video provided.

""Here is a solution to that problem:" - Wrong. Here's an idea."
Solution is first an idea, a solution is the end result of an idea that works better.
Saying solution is much more garbing since it shows that you know that this idea works better and not that it is just a random idea. Then it is important to prove with logic why it works better later else you would be lying/exaggerating.
The concept of advertising is about appearance. The truth is nice but if it is badly advertised it won't win against a well advertised lie.

If you truly want the best for humanity, you must want to win by using every DECENT card you have, including good advertising.

"This implies that all the answers you seek can be found in this ten minute video, which is of course ridiculous."
It is ridiculous, in fact I did not say that.
Which part of "(quick explanation)" says or implies that all answers are there? You must have been tired when you made this incorrect conclusion. I clearly said that the video should say to read the book and not when advertising TMZ.
I didn't even say that the video you provided was a good video or not.
I didn't wan't to piss you off but since this is my last attempt to make you see reason, I will tell you the truth; the video sucks to be honest. It could have been much more descriptive and at least give 1 possible example of how a society/infrastructure/trade could work in an Economy based system. I could have done better in less time. Apart that it neglected to even mention how will the switch happen. Does it need to start first with a prototype?, (eg a small city on an island) etc...
If you don't even mention that you have a plan, you are just sprouting arrogant claims.
You should mention a plan and show that it is possible with enough evidence to support your claim.
That is a must in that short video.

"I'm telling people the truth; that it's a highly detailed movement, you can't know everything about it from a ten minute video, the best way to fully understand it IS to read the book."
That sounds again like a common charlatan.
I can quote charlatans saying more or less the same phrase.
Can't you see the problem?
A skeptic like me, dismisses people saying such a phrase because they are making claims without supporting them.
They are assuming that just because I haven't read the book, I must accept that they are telling the truth.
Thus forcing me to read the book to check if he is telling the truth or not.
This is an outdated way to force people to buy books by charlatans. Challenge them with something and some of them would be eager to prove you wrong enough to buy the book or read it.

"there's no point making it out to be" There is good reason to make interesting(not fun) if you want to maximize awareness, check your priorities.

"TZM is NOT the solution, but a brilliant and feasible idea for the first step"
Are you making the claim that TMZ is NOT a possible solution to the problem of corruption/profit making economy?
Fist step= the solution or part of the solution.
In any case, an idea without a plan is like a car without wheels, it goes nowhere.
A solution is a working idea, just like a working car.

FACT: People will not make the first step if they don't know where they are heading.(fear of change comes at play here)
You need to learn how people think before "ENCOURAGING SELF-EDUCATION", not everybody thinks like you,
The average person does not care until it hits him, that is the harsh truth.
Now you either accept that most people are ignorant about their own suffering because they got used to it or you can keep thinking that everybody thinks like you.
The basis of advertising is the study of how people think.
You clearly need to understand this.
IT IS NOT ABOUT TRUTH BUT HOW YOU PRESENT THE TRUTH THAT MATTERS.

"Do you have a problem with the world? Here's the answer."
I did not say that. Don't misquote to make your point more appealing.
I was speaking in the context of social classes there.
+ i just gave a quick example, I didn't put that much though about the content. Just to show you how to do the it.
Don't focus on the content but the way of advertising something. That was my point.

BTW That sounds like a charlatan too, When people generalize and don't stick to a particular topic, it is considered charlatan talk by most skeptics. It is also a hasty generalization fallacy.
That is why I divided my example on specific issues that everybody knows. Then i suggested a possible solution to the problem.
And just to make it clear.
A resource based economy does remove some problems related to corruption, but it might not.
What it sure does is; to remove the self centered idea of specific education to gain money and pushes more on "ENCOURAGING SELF-EDUCATION" on all aspects.
Where education will become more of the currency rather then money/object value.
The more you know, the more you are credited and can contribute to the society.
I have thought about it a lot and even thought of all the economical implications involved to start something like this.
A prototype sort of thing.
TMZ is just proposing a start to the idea but lacks a plan. Maybe that is why it is so vague and you cannot focus well on how to explain it to people.
People tend to dismiss things that don't have a clear picture of where you are heading and find it offensive sometimes to claim that they are not knowledgeable enough.(remember you are talking to the average person)
I know that I am totally ignorant compared to all the knowledge there is to know, but most people tend to not like it when someone else tells them that they are not EDUCATED enough even if it is the truth.
The only way to make your message pass their rejection barrier is to have a solid plan and studied well the subject to be able to put forward solid arguments. You cannot afford to be vague and say things that hint to the idea that you yourself don't know where you are heading exactly.

"You're ignoring the points I make"
Which points did I ignore? Be more specific.
"and this is a waste of my time."
Possibly,if you only think of it as me attacking your position rather then me helping you analyse the weak spots in your position.
You will learn a lot in understanding what you can do to get people understand you better by debating with them.
I have learned something about TMZ thanks to your debate, where originally it didn't even catch my interest when I saw your posts about it.